CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #11851 Posted November 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, siraiaw said: do you think the new legendary german captain can fix graf zeppelin seems like a buff to her if you use him for cv's. but then they could just idk add the buffs to zeppy if they are that twitchy about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DK] siraiaw Players 264 posts 2,533 battles Report post #11852 Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, CptBarney said: seems like a buff to her if you use him for cv's. but then they could just idk add the buffs to zeppy if they are that twitchy about it. then why not just fix the dive bombers? its the only thing the zeppy players are asking for 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #11853 Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, siraiaw said: then why not just fix the dive bombers? its the only thing the zeppy players are asking for cus weegee and logic seem to fly out either end and go the opposite ways half the time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #11854 Posted November 15, 2019 Nothing can help zep unless they rework it from scratch... You cant buff DBs with accuracy couse they become OP, you cant add speed to planes couse its OP, cant add hp to planes couse it becomes op, cant make TBs aim faster couse they become OP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CN_] mcboernester Privateer 6,009 posts 14,314 battles Report post #11855 Posted November 15, 2019 As I just did this stuff for my thread in the german part i'll drop it here too: What those graphs show is the winrate of certain ships in comparison to the median for all tiers / same tier Tier 10 Carriers Spoiler So what you can see here is a very old and persistent Issue with CVs: While bad ones underperform and drag their team down good ones will carry you Some ships that where overtaken by powercreep: Spoiler And the same for some well balanced Ships ;) Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #11856 Posted November 15, 2019 3 hours ago, mcboernester said: What those graphs show is the winrate of certain ships in comparison to the median for all tiers / same tier Well done mate, and kudo's on gathering that data. I'm curious what you'd think is best to plot against what. It does however clearly show a thing or two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #11857 Posted November 15, 2019 3 hours ago, mcboernester said: As I just did this stuff for my thread in the german part i'll drop it here too: What those graphs show is the winrate of certain ships in comparison to the median for all tiers / same tier Tier 10 Carriers Hide contents So what you can see here is a very old and persistent Issue with CVs: While bad ones underperform and drag their team down good ones will carry you Some ships that where overtaken by powercreep: Hide contents And the same for some well balanced Ships ;) Hide contents Ok so you say: bad CVs are worse than average, average CVs are average, strong CV players are above average What is the problem with that? (and yes we know Easy E is OP) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #11858 Posted November 15, 2019 Dunno why but im really bad at reading graphs, so im guessing your looking at the range of winrates so for example midway would be 78%-37% and then find the middle number or something? Or just compare extremes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #11859 Posted November 15, 2019 I think intended message is this - a below average player playing CV will drag his team down more often then in any other class and above average will carry more often then in any other class 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Blixies Beta Tester, Players 2,160 posts 6,904 battles Report post #11860 Posted November 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Yedwy said: I think intended message is this - a below average player playing CV will drag his team down more often then in any other class and above average will carry more often then in any other class There are exceptions, of course: But yes, you are right. The CV is the class with the highest influence, followed by DDs, in my experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ji_Ji Players 5 posts 7,338 battles Report post #11861 Posted November 15, 2019 T10 battle and 75% hp left on my shima from the first rockets attack and the cv kept spoting for the rest of the match. needless to say this noobie game is now uninstalled. and i got 5k+ games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CN_] exar0815 [CN_] Beta Tester 1,641 posts 11,061 battles Report post #11862 Posted November 15, 2019 To explain the Data in a bit more Detail - For the first graph, we have the Overall Winrate on the bottom (x-) Axis, and the ship winrate on the left(y) axis. The second graph shows the same, just with the overall winrate on the specific tier on the x axis. This then shows, how a player performs in a specific ship compared to his average. Now, as these data are based on the weighted averages of all players on the EU-Server with more than 20 Battles on that ship, you can see some ships performing better than a players average, or worse. For Example, the Zao is a ship which is completely out of Meta. So we see that on average most people perform worse than their average. Spoiler The Donskoi however, for example, is a solid performer for everyone. Spoiler The Cossack is a prime example of a ship performing vastly better for players with higher skill. Spoiler The Izumo on the other Hand is a very forgiving ship for players who tend to make mistakes (Heavy armor) but just cant carry its weight for better players Spoiler And for a ship thats plain OP Spoiler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CN_] mcboernester Privateer 6,009 posts 14,314 battles Report post #11863 Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, 1MajorKoenig said: Ok so you say: bad CVs are worse than average, average CVs are average, strong CV players are above average 1 hour ago, Yedwy said: I think intended message is this - a below average player playing CV will drag his team down more often then in any other class and above average will carry more often then in any other class indeed. im kinda surprised how this could be misinterpreted 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #11864 Posted November 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, mcboernester said: indeed. im kinda surprised how this could be misinterpreted Why misinterpreted? That’s what I said no? But I was asking you why that’s would be a problem in your opinion? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #11865 Posted November 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, mcboernester said: indeed. im kinda surprised how this could be misinterpreted Considering some of his previous arguments, are you really? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CN_] mcboernester Privateer 6,009 posts 14,314 battles Report post #11866 Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, El2aZeR said: Considering who it is we're talking about, are you really? not really, no. it was a 50/50 chance who would do it first 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NSAF] LowSpeedHighDrag Players 484 posts 16,909 battles Report post #11867 Posted November 15, 2019 Rework or not. Where's the Legendary Upgrades (LU) / Unique Upgrades (UU) for the CVs? It's not like they were introduced after the LU/UU to be excluded. Why aren't they utilised yet? It has been many months or updates, reworks, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CN_] mcboernester Privateer 6,009 posts 14,314 battles Report post #11868 Posted November 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said: Why misinterpreted? That’s what I said no? No, not even closely. It was explained by exar again, too. please ask him if you have troubles with his graphs 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #11869 Posted November 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, LowSpeedHighDrag said: Why aren't they utilised yet? All work on LUs are currently on ice. Naturally that includes CV LUs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CN_] mcboernester Privateer 6,009 posts 14,314 battles Report post #11870 Posted November 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, LowSpeedHighDrag said: Rework or not. Where's the Legendary Upgrades (LU) / Unique Upgrades (UU) for the CVs? It's not like they were introduced after the LU/UU to be excluded. Why aren't they utilised yet? It has been many months or updates, reworks, etc. this is from this weeks q&a 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VTB] FerrowTheFox Players 106 posts 1,330 battles Report post #11871 Posted November 15, 2019 I'm starting to wonder...what exactly isn't on hold? New or reworked operations and scenarios, continued CV balancing, QOL updates, rebalancing of powercrept ships, legendary upgrades, new CVs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #11872 Posted November 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, FerrowTheFox said: what exactly isn't on hold? Subs probably. Although I haven't heard about those in ages as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #11873 Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, El2aZeR said: Subs probably. Although I haven't heard about those in ages as well. Which means they are on hold (LOL) or they are planning something vereh speshul. Surprised the entire bloody game isn’t put on hold at this rate. World of Azur lane when? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CN_] mcboernester Privateer 6,009 posts 14,314 battles Report post #11874 Posted November 15, 2019 2 hours ago, FerrowTheFox said: I'm starting to wonder...what exactly isn't on hold? Good question! Things that are open from my knowledge: - leg mods (gulag) - leone (gulag) - slava (gulag) - siegfried (gulag) - indominable (gulag) - german bb change announcements - an acceptable cv rework - new stuff from subs - rn ca tree (in progress) - balance for russian TX ships - a kleber nerf (will most likely be on YY levels sadly) - killing the effin birds on each and every map ! man those things are annoying... i only have it since 0.8.10. Imagine hearing a songbird when boosting with 230knots close to an island, i was so irritated the first time this happened... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VTB] FerrowTheFox Players 106 posts 1,330 battles Report post #11875 Posted November 15, 2019 Vor 23 Minuten, CptBarney sagte: Surprised the entire bloody game isn’t put on hold at this rate. World of Azur lane when? Let's just start our own historical warship game...with blackjack and hookers! balanced CVs and a bloody dismount all flags button! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
