CV Rework Discussion

[CptBarney]

15 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

BTW oh masterrrr @El2aZeR look what I got... 

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Damm thats a nice laptop.

 

Ill get my own gaming pc soon (can't upgrade mine cos bracket for graphics card is buggered unfortuantly).

[Yedwy]

4 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

...and so I learn something new! 

Some stuff make more sense now, too. 

 

AKA "calculated loss". How many planes would it cost to hit the Mino. 

Or hit that big fat Currywurst instead... Hmmm... 

Or fly over an island behind which mino sits and dump a stack of AP bombs right on his deck so he just has enough time to say "oh bugger" before he is in port... 

[El2aZeR]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/dszfav/ranked_and_clan_battles_and_qna_announcement/

 

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But we can announce the next upcoming events, which are: three Brawls, which will be held on December 21st (9x9, tier 5, 3 battleships, 9 cruisers, 5 destroyers), on December 28th (4x4, tier 8, 1 aircraft carrier, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer) and on January 4th (12x12, tier 10, 1 aircraft carrier, 3 battleships, 12 cruisers, 5 destroyers) and a new clan season, which will begin on January 22nd (details will be published later).

 

4x4 in T8 with CVs.

What are you smoking WG?

[CptBarney]

24 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/dszfav/ranked_and_clan_battles_and_qna_announcement/

 

 

4x4 in T8 with CVs.

What are you smoking WG?

so 4 owari das?

 

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, CptBarney said:

Damm thats a nice laptop.

 

Ill get my own gaming pc soon (can't upgrade mine cos bracket for graphics card is buggered unfortuantly).

I have a PC as well (actually, we have two... my son also plays WOWS).

Now let's see if we can get mum addicted... 

 

24 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/dszfav/ranked_and_clan_battles_and_qna_announcement/

4x4 in T8 with CVs.

What are you smoking WG?

I dunno what they are smoking, but I'm quite sure it could kill an elephant.

[CptBarney]

Just now, BLUB__BLUB said:

I have a PC as well (actually, we have two... my son also plays WOWS).

Now let's see if we can get mum addicted... 

Fair play lol.

 

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I dunno what they are smoking, but I'm quite sure it could kill an elephant.

Ikr even biggie smalls couldn't handle that much pot lmao.

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just now, CptBarney said:

Fair play lol.

Yup... I suppose you did notice the name of the model... HE now has his own line of laptops... 

 

Just now, CptBarney said:

Ikr even biggie smalls couldn't hand the pot lmao.

This pot is so bad, it would call the kettle pink... 

[CptBarney]

3 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Yup... I suppose you did notice the name of the model... HE now has his own line of laptops... 

 

This pot is so bad, it would call the kettle pink... 

LMAO.

 

@Yoshanai Read the name on blub's laptop and see who it reminds you of xD

[BLUB__BLUB]

4 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

LMAO.

 

@Yoshanai Read the name on blub's laptop and see who it reminds you of xD

You mean you missed it... 

[CptBarney]

Just now, BLUB__BLUB said:

You mean you missed it... 

Nah i wanna see his reaction lol.

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

Or fly over an island behind which mino sits and dump a stack of AP bombs right on his deck so he just has enough time to say "oh bugger" before he is in port... 

I already know that trick... except so far I have only AP on Ryujo... that Mino has to wait.

But I have become quite good at estimating if I can drop torps (do they have time to aim).

And then I am such a sneaky B@sta@rd I even manage to get a second drop in, from the other side.

 

BTW with Ryujo I manage to do it with 3 planes, and have ZERO LOSSES.

Yeah, short squad twice, and all 3 planes even return... (dead ships do not have AA).

 

Noticed though can't do it with RF. 

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Nah i wanna see his reaction lol.

Spoiler

I'm sure he'll tell me it won't help and I still potato too much

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 42 Minuten, CptBarney sagte:

LMAO.

 

@Yoshanai Read the name on blub's laptop and see who it reminds you of xD

 

[CptBarney]

2 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

 

More evidence for yer thread?

 

Seems loike yer lord and saviour is a laptop too.

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Gerade eben, CptBarney sagte:

More evidence for yer thread?

 

Seems loike yer lord and saviour is a laptop too.

 

 

No.

That piece of electronic equipment just got lucky to wear his name. 

[CptBarney]

52 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

No.

That piece of electronic equipment just got lucky to wear his name. 

Loies. 

[mcboernester]

8man brawl with cvs soon, here we go....

[El2aZeR]

 

"CVs are fine and skill gap is smaller than before" lul.

[Sunleader]

9 hours ago, CptBarney said:

@Sunleader surprised you havent played miss midway yet.

 

also not enuff games in miss hosho mandatory 50 games or ill get sleepy caggi chan to eat dem pancakes again.

 

I am Considering to get US Line.

Especially since UK Line doesnt suit my Fast Repetetion Attack Style.

 

But right now I am just not in the Mood for this Game...

 

Also. I feel bad and dirty when I play Hosho.....

 

9 hours ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

My performance aside (which is improving... albeit not as fast as I would like)

 

no, expecting more from someone with a title which denotes experience and/or authority than what he did is not jealousy, it’s called reasonable expectations. Forums are a place for people to come for help, chat and I suppose make online ‘friends’, new people will not know what the different titles and colours mean and someone acting like that will put people off. This has nothing to do with who is a better player (I’m happy to admit that isn’t me, and would never claim it to be) it is about how forum behaviour is conducted and what is and isn’t acceptable.

 

also, challenging someone unknown to you with no reasonable way of finding out who he is (or how good he is) is perfectly fine.

 

EDIT: apologies, that was uncalled for.

 

Not sure what you expect Weekend Tester to mean.

But its only denoting that I participated it the Free Weekend Beta when the Game was still in Development.

 

Its not saying anything beyond that.

 

Not that it really matters.

At least 2 of the other People your Arguing with here are beating my Expertise by a considerable Margin.

Yet your trying to lecture them.

 

Its Hilarious that your trying to explain El2azer how AA and Losses are Relevant.

Because he is likely the Best CV Player on EU and not on Rare Occassion Tops the CV Leaderboard.

No Offense to you. But he really does not need your explanations there.

He knows perfectly well what AA can do and what it cant do.

 

 

As for Challenging the Unknown.

Uhh. I wont say its wrong.

Because if you had been a Good CV Player there would be a Chance the other guy is inferior and thus backs off.

But when your way below Average in the Class in Question. You really wont win any favour with this.

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

...and so I learn something new! 

Some stuff make more sense now, too. 

 

AKA "calculated loss". How many planes would it cost to hit the Mino. 

Or hit that big fat Currywurst instead... Hmmm... 

 

 

There is 3 Types of AA.

 

1.

The Aura which deals Damage per Second.

 

It cant be Evaded.

But you can Limit Exposure to it by not Strafing Ships Aura and only Enter it when you Attack.

Most Ships Aura is extremely weak and wont do anything unless you stay in a very small distance around the Enemy Ship.

 

Thats why its usually Ignored by Decent CV Players.

 

2.

Heavy AA which Deals very High Damage in an Limited Area.

 

It can be Evaded easily and thus is Generally Ignored by Decent CV Players.

If you dont yet have the right Rythm to evade it. You can also Limit the Damage by just Boosting Straight for the Target while trying to not cross Black Clouds.

 

It is however an Issue for New Players which tend to Panic from it and take huge curves or even try to turn away from it.

Which then results in them eating the Full Salvo and losing the Squad.

 

3.

The Sector Flak Burst.

This One Time Manual Click of the Player will Deal 3.5% of your Squadrons Remaining HP as Damage.

Thats why Plane HP etc dont matter to this.

The Damage is Percentile. So even if the Player has Manual AA Burst Skill and thus does 7% instead of 3.5% Damage.

He cant deplete your Squadron.

 

And since its Percent of the Remaining HP. A Damaged Squadron will take far less Damage.

If you got 4 Planes Remaining out of 9 the Damage will basicly be 13-14% of the HP of ONE SINGLE AIRCRAFT in that Squadron...

 

This is a Good makeshift formula by the way.

3.5 multiplies with the number of Planes.

Thats the Percentage of Damage one of your Aircraft will take from this Hit.

 

So it doesnt matter if you have Kaga or any other CV.

If you have 12 Aircraft. You get 3.5x12 coming out to 42%

Meaning that the Hit will reduce the HP of ONE AIRCRAFT out of your Squadron by 42%

For Squadrons with 9 Aircraft you get 31.5% of that Aircraft.

6 Planes in Squadron and one Aircraft will take only 21% Damage.

 

 

Thats why usually its pretty hard for CVs to even tell if someone used it or not.

Cause on the First Attack its often not even enough to turn one Aircraft Yellow.......

[El2aZeR]

- about to clutch the round in my Midway

- FdG within 15km and shooting at me

- I am bow on

- get mouse bug just as I am about to kill him

- thank you WG for not fixing 4 month old game killing bug

- take ages to reconnect

- finally go back in

- FdG now within 10km

- has managed less than 10k damage while I was reconnecting lol

- casually launch TiTs and kill him

 

Balans.

[Gudgeon]

Four Hundred and sixty seven pages about a class that breaks the game. Still breaks the game, 9 months on from implementation. I have just had a double CV game in my tier 6 gnevny (obviously tier 8 heavy). The game was horrible to play due to constant spotting from air and focus from the CV's. What benefits do CV's actually bring to the game? Are they not usually the last class alive? What do they actually bring to the table in terms of fun battles for the rest of the team?

 

I know how to play the game after 13K battles, but I cannot counter aircraft in a DD. Constant aircraft. I did mange to cap though, probably because the enemy DD's are also trying to hide from air spotting. After being left with 50 HP, the rest lost through constant air attacks,  the only option left is to bounce a BB hiding behind an island and give him the full set from point blank, then die to air. And people wonder why they see yolo'ing.......perhaps it is desperation and feeling the need to do something when such a broken meta exists. 70% of WOW's battles ain't fun, to be honest.

[BLUB__BLUB]

7 hours ago, Sunleader said:

So it doesnt matter if you have Kaga or any other CV.

If you have 12 Aircraft. You get 3.5x12 coming out to 42%

Meaning that the Hit will reduce the HP of ONE AIRCRAFT out of your Squadron by 42%

For Squadrons with 9 Aircraft you get 31.5% of that Aircraft.

6 Planes in Squadron and one Aircraft will take only 21% Damage.

Yes, that makes sense now. The only thing keeping me  back is a bit of luck. 

Oh and I need to get better at avoiding FLAK. I find it quite hard in the slow planes. 

But... Someday I'll do 200k in that Ark Royal... 

 

BTW if you want "fast repetitive" stick to IJN. 

Comparing Ryujo to Ranger, the Ranger is much less "fat and repetitive" style.

 

[Thracen]

Yeah, CVs are still really terrible to play against in DDs. What adds more pain to the whole thing is even when you get the rare chance to gun a cv down in a dd they will out dpm you with planes since their recycle rate is so high.

 

They are the worst aspect of this game and I will continue to whine about it all the while it remains so. 

[Sunleader]

7 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Yes, that makes sense now. The only thing keeping me  back is a bit of luck. 

Oh and I need to get better at avoiding FLAK. I find it quite hard in the slow planes. 

But... Someday I'll do 200k in that Ark Royal... 

 

BTW if you want "fast repetitive" stick to IJN. 

Comparing Ryujo to Ranger, the Ranger is much less "fat and repetitive" style.

 

 

Currently Best Choice for Fast Repetitive Attacks is Graf Zeppelin ;)

If WG would just give the Divebombers a somewhat better Accuracy it would be a Great T8 CV.

 

Its Attack Power would of course still be lower than Shokaku and it surely cant Spam Attacks like Enterprise or Kaga.

But with the Secondaries and the Fast Planes you could make up for these Differences Pretty Good.

 

 

And Meh.

I Hate Ark Royal. The Planes are soooooo slow.

It Hits really Hard for a T6 CV.

But God its so Boring to Play this CV.....

I have literally been Posting in the Forum when Playing that CV cause the Planes needed nearly 3 minutes for the Trip anyways....

[CptBarney]

2 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Currently Best Choice for Fast Repetitive Attacks is Graf Zeppelin ;)

If WG would just give the Divebombers a somewhat better Accuracy it would be a Great T8 CV.

 

Its Attack Power would of course still be lower than Shokaku and it surely cant Spam Attacks like Enterprise or Kaga.

But with the Secondaries and the Fast Planes you could make up for these Differences Pretty Good.

 

 

And Meh.

I Hate Ark Royal. The Planes are soooooo slow.

It Hits really Hard for a T6 CV.

But God its so Boring to Play this CV.....

I have literally been Posting in the Forum when Playing that CV cause the Planes needed nearly 3 minutes for the Trip anyways....

I actually prefer slow planes more time to adjust and usually better turn circle rates.

 

I mean weegee wont buff anything since they consider it done and dusted.

 

not aure why indomitable never got released.