CV Rework Discussion

[CptBarney]

51 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Reminds me of Air Supplement. Where the Winrate Percentage for CV Class is higher than the Winrate Percentages for all other classes added up....

 

But you will always have people Defending the Indefensible.

Even more so when its something they Profit from.

 

 

Bigger Issue is however that Wargaming has pretty much Decided that they will rather have CVs Ridiculously Overpowered than have a low CV Population.

And well. A if you keep the System so easy for CVs that even a Noob which has 30-40% Winrate will easily achieve over 50k average damage and nearly 1 kill per Match.

Then of course anyone with some Actual Skill will be able to Dominate a Battle without much effort.

I noticed your fren, graf zep no longer posts lol.

 

German CV line when?

[Sunleader]

11 hours ago, CptBarney said:

I noticed your fren, graf zep no longer posts lol.

 

German CV line when?

 

I dont think you can call us Friends. Given we only Talked a few Times and we actually Disagreed on almost everything except that Graf Zeppelin Dive Bombers need a Buff.

 

As for German CV Line. Right now I find myself more and more in the "Remove CVs" Camp.

If WG wont Fix them Properly. Then the only Choice is to have them Removed from the Game entirely.

 

CVs are by their very Nature an Extremely Influental Class. This will never Change.

So there is only 2 Changes. Either they are Appropriately Hard to Play to warrant that Influence.

Or they are Overpowered as **** because you make them easy to Play and thus cause a Situation where good Players will just Massacre everything without effort.

 

If WG cant Accept this and Choose Balance over some Silly Notion of needing X Percent of Players Playing them to be Happy. Then the only Solution is to Remove CVs.

 

[EgyptOverseer]

Any words for the first casualty of this reeeeeeeeeeeeeework, DFAA?

 

Who still uses it, and why do you waste credits on it?

[MadGunna]

On 11/2/2019 at 8:20 PM, CptBarney said:

omfg, the hermes has too litterally be the most useless CV ever. Why does it have 18mm's pen on its HE bombers? and why didn't it get buffed like hosho and langley?

 

I hope the furious is better too be honest. Love how BB's are immune to the bombs unless you start fires on them 8.0% fire start soo much for focusing on DOT lmao.

 

jesus christ.

I find her to be an inverse of the normal carrier gameplay. You drop the bombers on DD's and the rockets on BB's to get more effective strikes off. Though to be honest I prefer to drop torps on BB's in that tier. Much more reliable.

[Arturius_2]

@MrConway

When can we expect the CVs to be removed?

Or you simply does not care?

I understand that you needed to put loosers from WOWP somwhere to work but why to WOWS?

 

If you cannot remove that crap , give us at least ability to leave game with CV without any repercusions.

After all it does not matter anyway

 

[Rionnen_marksman]

7 minutes ago, Arturius_2 said:

@MrConway

When can we expect the CVs to be removed?

Or you simply does not care?

I understand that you needed to put loosers from WOWP somwhere to work but why to WOWS?

 

If you cannot remove that crap , give us at least ability to leave game with CV without any repercusions.

After all it does not matter anyway

 

“It does not matter anyway”

 

says guy with 20% WR in the Enterprise.

[Arturius_2]

Really??

Argument of WR brought by 48% potato.... sigh

[El2aZeR]

9 minutes ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

says guy with 20% WR in the Enterprise.

 

Ironically that kinda makes his point?

After all it matters little to play out a match with him as a CV on your team.

[Arturius_2]

Maybe i suck in CV

Maybe i simply do not care when (if at all) play them ...

It does  not chanage the fact that despite beeing total noob in CV my survival rate is through the roof

How does it make any logic?

[Rionnen_marksman]

8 minutes ago, Arturius_2 said:

Really??

Argument of WR brought by 48% potato.... sigh

Amazing isn’t it. Ofcourse, 6-7% win rate isn’t necessarily reflective of ability, perhaps you survive more because you hide more? 

 

Who knows.

[Arturius_2]

So according to you i should not speak due to my WR

How about yours?

You cannot play ANY class on decent level yet you defend CV REEEEEEwork .... funny

[Skurfa]

4 minutes ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

Amazing isn’t it. Ofcourse, 6-7% win rate isn’t necessarily reflective of ability, perhaps you survive more because you hide more? 

 

Who knows.

 

WR does not necessarily have something to do with survival rate? And you do not win by hiding...

 

Okay, last statement is not entirely true, I have a few solo warrior badges from hiding  Though you’d have to know when to hide.

[Allied_Winter]

Now folks if you please calm down? There's no need in going at each others throat. Everybody can share their personal opinion. 

 

That being said: @Arturius_2 as far as we all know there are no indications of either removing CV or offering a MM without CV's in it. So for now, you rather have to live with it (or look for game modes without CV's in them).

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

On 11/2/2019 at 8:20 PM, CptBarney said:

omfg, the hermes has too litterally be the most useless CV ever. Why does it have 18mm's pen on its HE bombers? and why didn't it get buffed like hosho and langley?

 

I hope the furious is better too be honest. Love how BB's are immune to the bombs unless you start fires on them 8.0% fire start soo much for focusing on DOT lmao.

 

jesus christ.

 

It's not the best.... but by far not the worst. Best of Hermes is torps - they planes are so manouvrable, you can actually torp DDs.

The bombers make nice fire, but you need DE and the flags for them. My record (fro the "mega AA days) still is above the current average.

Don't expect to get 100K+ easily though, that is only for OP Hosho... and if you have 2 CVs in the game and one is Hosho, it will at all the nice fish.

[El2aZeR]

Oh look, a lone Monty. Maybe I can finally get a decent strike in this match full of no fly zones.

Spoiler

 

lol nope.

7 planes lost on approach with the rest dying off shortly thereafter.

 

"aA iS sTrOnGeR iN tHe rEwOrK!!!1111"

 

Oh and while we're at it:

Spoiler

 

 

"bAd cVs aRe mOrE UsEfUl iN tHe rEwOrK!!!11"

[HaachamaShipping]

On 11/3/2019 at 11:55 PM, EgyptOverseer said:

Any words for the first casualty of this reeeeeeeeeeeeeework, DFAA?

 

Who still uses it, and why do you waste credits on it?

I use it on Thunderer and Stalingrad.

[Allied_Winter]

8 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Oh and while we're at it:

Just so that I understand what happened in that clip: Both CV's lost their squads due to flying into flak bubbles?

 

And I assume that either (or both) CV's could've dropped the Groz IF they played "around" the flak. Correct?

[CptBarney]

7 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said:

Just so that I understand what happened in that clip: Both CV's lost their squads due to flying into flak bubbles?

 

And I assume that either (or both) CV's could've dropped the Groz IF they played "around" the flak. Correct?

This was before the reeeework.

 

when dfaa actually was useful and AA cruisers actually denying areas of the map.

[veslingr]

53 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

This was before the reeeework.

 

when dfaa actually was useful and AA cruisers actually denying areas of the map.

thx god this ridiculous thing is removed

[mtm78]

On 11/2/2019 at 1:09 PM, CptBarney said:

@mtm78 you can come out again lol.

 

I was taking a lil break both forum and game, don't worry I'm not gone ( or don't be relieved, whatever  ).

 

Much happening irl. so I haven't followed wows, did WG finally see the light ensure everyone subs aren't coming to randoms? Ow and to be semi on topic: I still don't like REEwork

 

11 minutes ago, veslingr said:

thx god this ridiculous thing is removed

 

Yeah, let's also remove radar then ok? 

[CptBarney]

9 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

I was taking a lil break both forum and game, don't worry I'm not gone ( or don't be relieved, whatever  ).

wah! welcome bak!

 

9 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Much happening irl. so I haven't followed wows, did WG finally see the light ensure everyone subs aren't coming to randoms? Ow and to be semi on topic: I still don't like REEwork

Ahh ok. Also nope, although sub news has been pretty quietly recently, same goes for them smoll premiums that still havent appeared.

 

Oh not sure if you know, but smoll and peace is now dis @Yoshanai

[veslingr]

4 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

Yeah, let's also remove radar then ok? 

Radar does not denay anything as AAA cruisers were in RTS which created no strike zone.

Torpedo deactivator would be simmilar

 

[mtm78]

3 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Radar does not denay anything as AAA cruisers were in RTS which created no strike zone.

Torpedo deactivator would be simmilar

 

Radar denies a lot, like DFAA did. But both could be baited. That's the only reason radar doesn't outreight deny, it has a cooldown like DFAA has. Changing DFAA into being worthless ( just a 'tool' in the attrition war.... yeah, fun... ) was one of the worst aspects off REEwork. 

 

10 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Oh not sure if you know, but smoll and peace is now dis @Yoshanai

 

Check which clan he's in, then check mine. Guess I should already know rite

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, mtm78 said:

Radar denies a lot, like DFAA did. But both could be baited. That's the only reason radar doesn't outreight deny, it has a cooldown like DFAA has. Changing DFAA into being worthless ( just a 'tool' in the attrition war.... yeah, fun... ) was one of the worst aspects off REEwork. 

 

Shame about DFAA not being like that, from both ends at least you could bait it or use it to help teammates out in general.

1 minute ago, mtm78 said:

Check which clan he's in, then check mine. Guess I should already know rite

Oh i can't see the green text too well on the light theme.

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

Shame about DFAA not being like that, from both ends at least you could bait it or use it to help teammates out in general.

 

Yup another teamwork aspect deemed to harsh for the playerbase, sad to see but undeniably true.

 

2 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Oh i can't see the green text too well on the light theme.

 

Meh compared to some game changes since alpha, the new forums are actually growing on me more