CV Rework Discussion

[Redcap375]

Making the Hosh a wrecking ball at tier 4 is deplorable.  Having dedicated 19 point captains too mean that new players that are trying to learn the game are hating every minuet of it when a CV is in the game.  Had a Que of 20 CV players yesterday and few of them was simply down to starting the line from fresh. 

 

All those extra captain skill plane buffs with 19 pointers, crazy.

 

Most were people going back down to stat peddle and cause misery.  Even within a AA div. 

 

Would you wanna go back from scratch learning this game with 2 CV's doing this? I bloody wouldn't. I did it to see how strong they are, and it's very strong. 

 

Are WG forcing people to spend money to get out of that hell hole tier? Becuase it's gonna have the opposite effect. 

 

I want CV's in the game and I won't mind Subs entering the game in principle.  That's my overall stance of on all this. 

 

However, WG have totally screwed up the rework and i have no doubt what-so-ever that they will screw up the balancing of the subs to make a quick ££££££. 

[Yedwy]

THIS, so much this, I have decided (despite better judgement) to regrind the german tree after I finished the french dds, I mean I am not the best player there is but Im not exactly a novice either and untill you are at T6 you are basically fodder, unless you know better things are down the line its a wall many will splatter agaist and ragequit... WG should really consider removing the T4 cvs and starting the cv lines at T6 same as the subs and introducing some T3-T5 ops with bot cvs for a basic experience in AA for the new players, this statpadding BS thats going on down there is just apaling...

[Redcap375]

Why WG?

 

Why did you feel the need to buff it at tier 4?

 

Of all the things in this game that is wildly out of balance, you decided to buff something no-one asked for or needed?

 

Clowns in suits waving a suite case full of money.

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

On 9/22/2019 at 12:29 PM, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

In a Coop game where CV's don't dodge flak. Get your facts right. 

Could have been in Randoms where a PTW potato just wanted to get his DD somehow.

I've seen it happen... in randoms. Lots of times. Facts, in this case, are creating their own legend. 

[ShinGetsu]

On 9/23/2019 at 10:15 AM, Panocek said:

I'd say there is arms race between Wargaming and Gajiin, who can quack up their game(s) in new and interesting ways

Gaijin ? Really ?

They are so good at shooting themselves on the foot WG can't even compare.

They're losing players after players lately. Me included. They just will never understand.

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

Gaijin ? Really ?

They are so good at shooting themselves on the foot WG can't even compare.

They're losing players after players lately. Me included. They just will never understand.

That is why WG stepped up their game with CV REEEwork and now subs. Wheeled vehicles in tonks from what I've heard had "mixed" reception as well, not mentioning World of Russian OP premium Tanks

[Redcap375]

War Thunder is the worst.  It's Russian Bias gone bonkers.

 

Then WoT.  Or World of Russian.

 

Then WOWS rising to meet them with Ships like the Grad and the Russian BB line. 

 

I wanna see a games company from some neutral country? How about a Navy game from a Swiss developer? 

[ShinGetsu]

Russian bias on WT ? It's mostly US bias on high tier tho.

AH1Z, M1, F4 Phantom...

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

10 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

Then WOWS rising to meet them with Ships like the Grad and the Russian BB line. 

Didn't they say in the last stream that a +/- nerf is coming in for the RU BBs? At least a nerf compared to the German BBs?

[Panocek]

10 minutes ago, Nibloke said:

Didn't they say in the last stream that a +/- nerf is coming in for the RU BBs? At least a nerf compared to the German BBs?

What WG says and what WG does are two entirely different things.

[Redcap375]

12 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

Russian bias on WT ? It's mostly US bias on high tier tho.

AH1Z, M1, F4 Phantom...

 

Are you joking? Massively, we gained 7 players all from WT and every single ones mentioned the Russian problem.

 

IS3 ring any bells?

 

People have data mined the game files and found hidden modifiers on the Russian tanks such as almost twice the chance for their shells to cause fires, over penetrating or overly large explosive radius and damage after penetration. 

 

[CptBarney]

1 hour ago, ShinGetsu said:

Gaijin ? Really ?

They are so good at shooting themselves on the foot WG can't even compare.

They're losing players after players lately. Me included. They just will never understand.

oh yeah what happened with warthunder? I only got up to miss tiger 2 P before is topped playing as well as spitfires and br rating 5 planes br rating 2 ships and br rating 6.3-7 tanks (unless they changed a lot of things).

[Panocek]

16 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

 

Are you joking? Massively, we gained 7 players all from WT and every single ones mentioned the Russian problem.

 

IS3 ring any bells?

 

Russian tanks are the only ones who keep their historical rates of fire for untrained crew and maximum historical rates for trained crew, everyone else gets hit with the nerf bat in reload speeds. People have data mined the game files and found hidden modifiers on the Russian tanks such as almost twice the chance for their shells to cause fires, over penetrating or overly large explosive radius and damage after penetration. it is widely known that Russian shells are 1 hit nukes most of the time, poor Americans with their solid shot.

 

 

From my own WT Air AB experience, Russians are favored simply by objectives being next to the ground, where lack of high alt performance doesn't bother them. Also they are first nation to get cannons IIRC instead machine guns. And have generalist, do it all handing except high speed maneuvers, which you won't have many opportunities to pull off at mid to low alt

 

And then there is beauty of La-7, which outclimbs most planes to 4km-5km and below 4km outruns like everyone short of diving Thunderbolt/Mustang. But the moment they exit their dive, La will catch up to them. 

[ShinGetsu]

1 hour ago, Redcap375 said:

 

Are you joking? Massively, we gained 7 players all from WT and every single ones mentioned the Russian problem.

 

IS3 ring any bells?

 

People have data mined the game files and found hidden modifiers on the Russian tanks such as almost twice the chance for their shells to cause fires, over penetrating or overly large explosive radius and damage after penetration. 

 

They never played high tier I guess.

High tier is overwhelmingly in favour of US and allies in general. Basically the power balance is US >>> Soviets (better tanks, best heli, best plane period) > Germany > France (thanks to recent addition) > the rest, with poor UK being shafted at every turn for no reason.

 

Russian have some unfair advantages, but IS-3 for instance is FAR from being that scary and got huge weaknesses. The biggest being that all russians tanks explodes at the first shell that penetrates them, due to ammo being spread all around the tank turret. And high-tier T-series lack mobility compared to their counterpart, while their armor isn't sufficient to stop weakspot snipe. Typical high tier match in T-80 means that your opponent controls key point before you, got better positioning due to actually workable gun depression, and will one shot you regardless of your frontal armor because you STILL got some huge weakspot. Leclerc and Leo2A5 are actually better armored (M1 are still wet paper to Cold war ammo, but their crew survivability is so high they don't really care. Very noob friendly tank)

 

People tends to forget that most mechanics the Soviet can profits from at lower tier are shared with german tanks. Namely what you quoted : the horrendous APHE mechanics.

 

As for planes, the current meta is completely dominated by Axis, both Japan and Germany, until you get into cold war era and US wrecks everything.

We don't talk about ships in WT.

 

But the biggest issue is the overall game balance and Gaijin living on short lived hype with the next grind and powercreep. They don't CARE at all about balance. They never provides roadmap. WG tell us 5 month ahead that something new is coming. DE release complete roadmap on future warframes update to quote another game company. Gaijin tells you one week before the update "so hey watch this, we will introduce the F4 Phantom with literally no counterpart, grind it, buy premium plane to grind it or have fun being clubbed for the next 4 months".

And they did exactly the same thing for years. We kept begging them to at least decompress the matchmaking and stop making 1950 plane fight against 1980 plane. They. Don't. Care.

[Redcap375]

1 hour ago, ShinGetsu said:

Zip...

 

Sorry IS6 (been a while).

 

And the hidden data? You forgot to mention the hidden data that was brought out in the open, which they have tried their best to cover up?

 

No to mention all the hacks that was rife back then when i played.

 

 

Anyway, i like many left that game a while back thank god.

 

I didn't want that kinda stuff in this game. But some of it is already here. 

[BLUB__BLUB]

3 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

How about a Navy game from a Swiss developer? 

It would be sitting in a rowing boat for hours, trying to catch tofu-burgers. 

[Redcap375]

2 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

It would be sitting in a rowing boat for hours, trying to catch tofu-burgers. 

 

You cant get any more neutral then the Swiss. Have you ever met one? It's total village mentality. 

 

Well, as much as we would like to believe (Certain German gold WW2 *cough*).

[Hopeless_Guppy]

5 hours ago, Panocek said:

That is why WG stepped up their game with CV REEEwork and now subs. Wheeled vehicles in tonks from what I've heard had "mixed" reception as well, not mentioning World of Russian OP premium Tanks

Ah yeah the wheelie bins in WoT's, lol well they are actually going to release a twin barrelled heavy into the game, just wait for the uproar on that one, in fact it is warming up nicely, it will make the Defender debacle look tame in comparison

[Panocek]

3 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Ah yeah the wheelie bins in WoT's, lol well they are actually going to release a twin barrelled heavy into the game, just wait for the uproar on that one, in fact it is warming up nicely, it will make the Defender debacle look tame in comparison

I have perfect design to implement

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Just now, Panocek said:

I have perfect design to implement

That would have been awesome for team battles which good old WoT's has removed

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

That would have been awesome for team battles which good old WoT's has removed

I think there was something of the sort in 8bit april fools few years ago...

[mtm78]

22 hours ago, ShinGetsu said:

Gaijin ? Really ?

They are so good at shooting themselves on the foot WG can't even compare.

They're losing players after players lately. Me included. They just will never understand.

 

Nah I guess WeeGee is better at [edited]up because they had more to actually [edited]up. For me WT isn't enjoyable, there was never a crutch allowing a colorblind guy to play and not be at a disadvantage since I can't see camouflaged tanks.

 

22 hours ago, Panocek said:

That is why WG stepped up their game with CV REEEwork and now subs. Wheeled vehicles in tonks from what I've heard had "mixed" reception as well, not mentioning World of Russian OP premium Tanks

 

With thanks I can see why they try to push in new formats, the game is old and there is room to evolve ( and no other room to push out new premium content ). I haven't played tonks in a while tho, sheeps are more fun ( atm at least.. barely ).

 

What is scary are the utter  who after seeing first sub test are still not shouting out loudly they don't want that crap in their game ( as default game mode ). 

 

 

[CptBarney]

18 hours ago, NoobySkooby said:

Ah yeah the wheelie bins in WoT's, lol well they are actually going to release a twin barrelled heavy into the game, just wait for the uproar on that one, in fact it is warming up nicely, it will make the Defender debacle look tame in comparison

They already got dem stats out for the object 703 V 2 https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/09/19/wot-patch-1-6-1-object-703-version-ii/

 

@mtm78 eh they don't care, its why the community shat itself because the gulio would get nerfed and used 'muh moneh' as an excuse, people only care about game balance (usually) when it suits them not if it benefits the whole (typical human behaviour really). Otherwise, the NTC would of been buried and there would of been major uproar about every unbalanced premium ship and/or ship in general.

 

But then with miss hosho smacking the living daylights out of every ship at toineh tiers i doubt this game will retain it's players for much longer than 4 years too be honest.

 

Suprised gaijin and wargaming don't team up with EA and activision imagine what the game would be, Galaxy of spaceships lol.

[mtm78]

12 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Suprised gaijin and wargaming don't team up with EA and activision imagine what the game would be, Galaxy of spaceships lol.

 

 

 

[Sunleader]

On 9/24/2019 at 12:08 PM, CptBarney said:

oh yeah what happened with warthunder? I only got up to miss tiger 2 P before is topped playing as well as spitfires and br rating 5 planes br rating 2 ships and br rating 6.3-7 tanks (unless they changed a lot of things).

 

WarThunder is doing fairly good. Wobbling slightly on the User Counts. But they got a Solid Playerbase.

 

They Introduced Admiral Hipper and Atlanta Cruisers lately. Confirming that Heavy Cruisers are going to be part of the Ship Tree.

They also added Cold War Era. With Leopard 2 and Abrams Tank Variants as well as even Helicopters to the Game.

Guided Rockets and Cold War Era Jet Aircraft of course are also coming along slowly...

 

In General I am fairly fond of War Thunder as a Game. As I do like Realism from time to time.

Unfortunately they are however also messing up on alot of things. Not doing anything about Spawncamping and the Maps often even resulting in Spawncamping if your just doing the Objective because the Objective is Practically next to the Spawn......

Also the Aiming Mechanics for Ships are so Ridiculous Bad and Unnecessarily Complicated that it Hurts....

 

 

 

More on Topic tough.

WoWs could really learn alot from War Thunder in terms of Aircraft Gameplay :P