CV Rework Discussion

[Sunleader]

11 minutes ago, Karotte_marksman said:

Its for the bbies:) subs would be to strong if they could only be flighted by dd's. Babies would lose their position as the alpha predetor.someone needs to kill all dangerous threads for babies so they can be happy and farm damage on each other. :) 

 

Alpha Predator is CV right now.

No BB holds a Candle to that lol.

[gslick]

21 hours ago, citizen_smith79 said:

Oh that doesn't sound too good then, I can get farmed on all tiers. :(  Any idea if they're going to do something to help with AA, as in make it actually shoot pidgeons down?

 

21 hours ago, Sunleader said:

WG refused to make a Statement on this.

But seeing that this Topic is not a Sticky anymore.

I would not Expect any Noteworthy changes in the immediate future.

 

7 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

Yesterday I had T7-9 game and 2 T8 CVs on each team. There was a lot CVs on queue.

 

7 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Dont laugh. Late at Night last week I had a Battle with 2xT6 and 1xT8 CV on each Side. And 3 yes you heard that right. 3 Surface Ships on each Team xD

Unfortunately I fear Double T8 CV Games will become far more Common again thanks to how Overpowered they are right now :(

Even funnier, the Special Reward for a Returning player is a rental Tirpitz for the CV overlords to farm.    I will continue to NOT be subjected to the disease that is CV.  GL when the game devolves to a 3 CV vs 3 CV matches.

[Padds01]

why do TX CV's have to research the TX planes and buy them? just curious as every other line ive seen gets the complete ship at TX.

 

 

[Sunleader]

1 minute ago, Padds01 said:

why do TX CV's have to research the TX planes and buy them? just curious as every other line ive seen gets the complete ship at TX.

 

 

 

Not really.

Grosser Kurfürst has an Upgrade from 406mm to 420mm Guns.

Z52 can Upgrade Torpedos.

Shimakaze Upgrades Torpedos as well.

Conqueror used to have an Upgrade for 457mm Guns but it got removed and added as a new Ship (Thunderer)

 

T10 Ships being able to Research Weapons is halfwat common.

 

For CVs its likely also due to them not having a T9 Ship.

Thus WG giving them some extra Grind to get the Full T10.

[Panocek]

6 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

For CVs its likely also due to them not having a T9 Ship.

Thus WG giving them some extra Grind to get the Full T10.

RTS T10 carriers also had to research planes as well loadout...

[CptBarney]

@L0V3_and_PE4CE I finally got over 150k damage in miss lexi and it's been quite sometime since i was able to do this, first game my team was too gud and killed everything before i could hit 80k and 3 kills (tier 10 mostly 9), second game was a disaster only did 56k damage (was tier 10 mostly), third was tier 8 and only did 75k damage and 3 kills (team was killing waaaaayyy to fast).

 

And my last game i did 160k 3 kills top tier, hunting dd's with hvar is tricky doe but i appreicate the faster rockets.

 

also you can make a funny in dat thread with the tinfoil guy.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 9 Minuten, CptBarney sagte:

@L0V3_and_PE4CE I finally got over 150k damage in miss lexi and it's been quite sometime since i was able to do this, first game my team was too gud and killed everything before i could hit 80k and 3 kills (tier 10 mostly 9), second game was a disaster only did 56k damage (was tier 10 mostly), third was tier 8 and only did 75k damage and 3 kills (team was killing waaaaayyy to fast).

 

And my last game i did 160k 3 kills top tier, hunting dd's with hvar is tricky doe but i appreicate the faster rockets.

 

also you can make a funny in dat thread with the tinfoil guy.

Barney this person who opened this thread came here to preach to us about the failings of WG. We hear such individuals through their typed words every single day. We open the gameplay section of the forum in hopes of some holy information given to us by WG about positive changes and we come across topics like these. Like the one we are currently in. We read it through and what we see is a Deja Vu. It happend already. It happens already. It will happen. It is going to happen. To be posted and talked about. MM conspiracies. Fake stats. Every day we got such a person telling us. What they see. What if what they see is actually there and we are the blind ones. What if we are the ones tunnelvisioning. If he is right. 

Have you ever thought about the graviton? The graviton is what binds all matter together. What if he and the ones like him bind us together and we just don't get it? He is a leader. A figure of charisma breaking apart in front of the truth we denied every single day. We tell ourselves that he's just another bad player. Another potato raging and being oblivious but what we don't see is that we are the potato. The potato in the oven put into it by WG and we pay to be baked. We pay with our time and our money to be tricked to believe that the 23 other players we play against are humans and not bots. Everyone is a bit. I am a bot. You aren't real. We are just a program made for profit gain. Everything in this game is unreal. Its surreal to think about. Reality is warped by the individuals perception. 

It all comes down to. 

 

Ah I'm just kidding. 

 

crap THIS IS THE WRONG THREAD

[KillStealBoss]

2 hours ago, Padds01 said:

why do TX CV's have to research the TX planes and buy them? just curious as every other line ive seen gets the complete ship at TX.

 

 

Also Grozo torp upgrade from 8km to 10 km, even Harugumo from 12km to F3 fast torps. Zao also. 

[Hanse77SWE]

This thread is over a year old and close to 1 000 posts. I'm amazed, but not surprised, that this keeps going on.

 

CV-rework is over and nothing will change based on what is written here. Guys, for the sanity of us all: Please let this thread die!

[El2aZeR]

New population data. And boy you better strap in because it's hilarious.

Reworked CVs at 2019/09/21:

HT: 941 players, 24.6k battles

LT: 1539 players, 39.7k battles

Total: 2480 players, 64.3k battles

 

For reference
Last snapshot of RTS CVs at 2019/01/26:

HT: 992 players, 27k battles

LT: 1228 players, 32.1k battles

Total: 2220 players, 59.1k battles

 

Snapshot of RTS CVs one year ago at 2018/09/22:

HT: 1020 players, 25.4k battles

LT: 1442 players, 36.7k battles

Total: 2462 players, 62.1k battles

 

And keep in mind low tier reworked CVs are being artificially kept alive thanks to glorious T4 seal clubbing.

Also these numbers are DESPITE an event for CVs currently running and the extreme 0.8.7 buff.

 

Can someone from WG please finally admit what a gigantic failure the rework is?

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

47 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

New population data. And boy you better strap in because it's hilarious.

Reworked CVs at 2019/09/21:

HT: 941 players, 24.6k battles

LT: 1539 players, 39.7k battles

Total: 2480 players, 64.3k battles

 

For reference
Last snapshot of RTS CVs at 2019/01/26:

HT: 992 players, 27k battles

LT: 1228 players, 32.1k battles

Total: 2220 players, 59.1k battles

 

Snapshot of RTS CVs one year ago at 2018/09/22:

HT: 1020 players, 25.4k battles

LT: 1442 players, 36.7k battles

Total: 2462 players, 62.1k battles

 

And keep in mind low tier reworked CVs are being artificially kept alive thanks to glorious T4 seal clubbing.

Also these numbers are DESPITE an event for CVs currently running and the extreme 0.8.7 buff.

 

Can someone from WG please finally admit what a gigantic failure the rework is?

 

I was under the impression though, that one major goal was also to not have to deploy a separate RTS team anymore.

So maybe it is more cost-efficient now and could pay back in the long run, no idea.

[El2aZeR]

13 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

I was under the impression though, that one major goal was also to not have to deploy a separate RTS team anymore.

So maybe it is more cost-efficient now and could pay back in the long run, no idea.

 

I highly doubt such a team ever existed given that it is not how game development usually goes down. In terms of programming you generally need people who know their way around the engine, not a specific game genre. With enough rewriting a game engine can be made to do things it was never intended to. The RTS infrastructure was already in place, so the programmers were clearly successful with their implementation.

Beyond that all other support such as bug fixing, balancing, etc. can be accomplished without needing specific RTS know-how as well. A dedicated RTS team would make no sense whatsoever.

 

Besides, afaik a lot of people in the WoWs team were former NavyField devs, a game which already had a RTS CV component. The expertise is thus available regardless.

[Vaepex]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

New population data. And boy you better strap in because it's hilarious.

Reworked CVs at 2019/09/21:

HT: 941 players, 24.6k battles

LT: 1539 players, 39.7k battles

Total: 2480 players, 64.3k battles

 

For reference
Last snapshot of RTS CVs at 2019/01/26:

HT: 992 players, 27k battles

LT: 1228 players, 32.1k battles

Total: 2220 players, 59.1k battles

 

Snapshot of RTS CVs one year ago at 2018/09/22:

HT: 1020 players, 25.4k battles

LT: 1442 players, 36.7k battles

Total: 2462 players, 62.1k battles

 

And keep in mind low tier reworked CVs are being artificially kept alive thanks to glorious T4 seal clubbing.

Also these numbers are DESPITE an event for CVs currently running and the extreme 0.8.7 buff.

 

Can someone from WG please finally admit what a gigantic failure the rework is?

Facts don't matter. Statistics are irrelevant. Opinions are worthless. Satisfaction is not required.

The CV Rework has been ruled by WG to be a GG All, GreatSuccess™

[Pikkozoikum]

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

New population data. And boy you better strap in because it's hilarious.

Reworked CVs at 2019/09/21:

HT: 941 players, 24.6k battles

LT: 1539 players, 39.7k battles

Total: 2480 players, 64.3k battles

 

For reference
Last snapshot of RTS CVs at 2019/01/26:

HT: 992 players, 27k battles

LT: 1228 players, 32.1k battles

Total: 2220 players, 59.1k battles

 

Snapshot of RTS CVs one year ago at 2018/09/22:

HT: 1020 players, 25.4k battles

LT: 1442 players, 36.7k battles

Total: 2462 players, 62.1k battles

 

And keep in mind low tier reworked CVs are being artificially kept alive thanks to glorious T4 seal clubbing.

Also these numbers are DESPITE an event for CVs currently running and the extreme 0.8.7 buff.

 

Can someone from WG please finally admit what a gigantic failure the rework is?

The relations are missing. if yesterday only 5000 players played, 2480 would be 50% of the players, just as example. Also it would be helpful to have not only one day sample. I don't know what we had at the 22.09. Maybe there was an "Play CV" Event,

 

Also it's not only seal clubbing. People are regrinding, I did that, thus I played Hosho and Ryujo lately. Otherwise I would play Kaga or Hakuryu.

[El2aZeR]

54 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

The relations are missing.

 

Given that we've been using maplesyrup to put population data on display for quite some time I can only assume this is just you being deliberately dishonest once again. This is not a day sample as you should know.

As for relative numbers, total population was 65168, meaning CVs represent less than 4% of the playerbase currently. You could've ofc just looked that up yourself but that would go against the lies you're trying to spin, wouldn't it?

 

And if a substantial part of the CV playerbase were actually regrinding CVs they'd be done with it several times over by now even if they were failing their way up, yet high tier population has remained on the decline. In fact low tier population is on the decline as well, so players are abandoning the class.

Your claim does not hold up to reality as usual.

[ForlornSailor]

2 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Also it's not only seal clubbing. People are regrinding

 

Sure. I guess the Nikolai and the Yubari in those divisions are also "regrinding".

 

2 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

The relations are missing. if yesterday only 5000 players played, 2480 would be 50% of the players, just as example. Also it would be helpful to have not only one day sample.

 

Looks like you dont know, that those are weekly stats. Well they are, thus your objection irrelevant by your own standard.

[159Hunter]

I'm so glad the topic is no longer sticky, does this mean that WG considers CVs as being balanced and no longer an issue, @MrConway, @Tuccy, @Crysantos?

[Prospect_b]

11 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

I'm so glad the topic is no longer sticky, does this mean that WG considers CVs as being balanced and no longer an issue, @MrConway, @Tuccy, @Crysantos?

Nah, they just need the space for the upcoming 400 page long submarine garbage bin discussion thread.

[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, 159Hunter said:

I'm so glad the topic is no longer sticky, does this mean that WG considers CVs as being balanced and no longer an issue, @MrConway, @Tuccy, @Crysantos?

 

Not that it Changes anything. Because regardless of WG toughts on the matter.

CVs are not Balanced and are still an Issue. Thats a Fact.

 

So the Topic will still keep being here on the Frontpage pretty much permanently.

Moreover. If the Topic is no longer Sticky it also means that we will see much more New CV Topics soon.

 

 

1 hour ago, Saiyko said:

Nah, they just need the space for the upcoming 400 page long submarine garbage bin discussion thread.

 

We will See if it stays as a not Sticky Topic for Long.

As we will see much more new CV Topics if there is no Sticky Thread.

As well as lots of CV Talk in Feedback and other Topics clogging up there.

[hedgehog_s]

Just taken 82 planes off Enterprise in non AA spec Kidd - nuff said.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 22 Minuten, hedgehog_s sagte:

Just taken 82 planes off Enterprise in non AA spec Kidd - nuff said.

 

In a Coop game where CV's don't dodge flak. Get your facts right. 

[DFens_666]

2 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

I'm so glad the topic is no longer sticky, does this mean that WG considers CVs as being balanced and no longer an issue

 

Yep, been thinking about this one aswell. They finaly showed us the middlefinger i guess

Its like "Hey surfaceship mongs, you had a few patches now where we nerfed CVs, now we went back to what we originally wanted so you can [edited]off"

[Pikkozoikum]

4 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

Sure. I guess the Nikolai and the Yubari in those divisions are also "regrinding".

So everyone, who plays T4 CV is in a Division with a Nikolai and a Yubari?

 

4 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

Looks like you dont know, that those are weekly stats. Well they are, thus your objection irrelevant by your own standard.

that was not mentioned there.

[ForlornSailor]

1 hour ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

In a Coop game where CV's don't dodge flak. Get your facts right. 

 

...and dont have captain skills & modules & will keep the planes above the DD because the AI in 9/10 cases is too stupid to fly a successful attack. But "I SHOT DOWN 82 PLANES" sounds so much better without any context ^^

[ForlornSailor]

3 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

So everyone, who plays T4 CV is in a Division with a Nikolai and a Yubari?

 

Yup. literally everyone. I tried to division with a Hosho and a Yubari, selected an Orion and it didnt let me click into battle. It said "Your clubbing division is missing russian Bias. please chose Nikolai to proceed."

 

Do you have more intelligent questions like that?

 

4 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

that was not mentioned there.

 

So I take it you take your objection back.