CV Rework Discussion

[mtm78]

Just now, Panocek said:

I also don't see FR DD's eating AP pens all day long

 

They don't need to, they eat HE like it's their birthday cake ( I like my Vaq... it's a different playstyle and when it works it's very fun ). 

[Panocek]

Just now, mtm78 said:

 

They don't need to, they eat HE like it's their birthday cake ( I like my Vaq... it's a different playstyle and when it works it's very fun ). 

Dunno, gimmick of amidship actually saturating can make them surprisingly tough cookies

[mtm78]

I don't think I've ever broken 1m potential in them yet

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

I don't think I've ever broken 1m potential in them yet

Because going max camo can give you wrong idea of doing DD things You play them (past tier 8 at least) all out Russian, unless you have other DD proper to enter caps. Then you can shove that baguette EXTRA hard with MBRB

[mtm78]

7 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Because going max camo can give you wrong idea of doing DD things You play them (past tier 8 at least) all out Russian, unless you have other DD proper to enter caps. Then you can shove that baguette EXTRA hard with MBRB

I'm at tier 7 :P

 

I do play it like a DD, 6.6km iirc isn't that bad, I just make sure I'm not the only DD.... since when mrb is down I get outgunned by basically IJN DD's. 

 

Also not 100% sure if I would like this as full on VMF replacement, I like being able to rush in support of my spotter DD and just apply massive dpm for a short time, it's the novel thing which makes the line more fun to play. Playing like medium/long range light cruiser is only the goal when the enemy DD's been sunk ( imo ).

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

I'm at tier 7 :P

 

I do play it like a DD, 6.6km iirc isn't that bad, I just make sure I'm not the only DD.... since when mrb is down I get outgunned by basically IJN DD's. 

 

Also not 100% sure if I would like this as full on VMF replacement, I like being able to rush in support of my spotter DD and just apply massive dpm for a short time, it's the novel thing which makes the line more fun to play. Playing like medium/long range light cruiser is only the goal when the enemy DD's been sunk ( imo ).

Tier 7 have 2nd highest gun DPM in entire line You will notice "undergunned" especially on Fanta as she is literally outgunned by Kagero. Mogador also suffers from that, but 8gun salvo have at least some initial punch to it.

 

On positive, from Fanta onwards you will have ballistics to match that extra range. And range you will need when carriers around. Or [insert tier 10 cruiser with railguns]... which is like every one of them except DM and Wooster.

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

Tier 7 have 2nd highest gun DPM in entire line You will notice "undergunned" especially on Fanta as she is literally outgunned by Kagero. Mogador also suffers from that, but 8gun salvo have at least some initial punch to it.

 

On positive, from Fanta onwards you will have ballistics to match that extra range. And range you will need when carriers around. Or [insert tier 10 cruiser with railguns]... which is like every one of them except DM and Wooster.

 Hey I am just trying to get used to the line already yeah :P

 

I knew Fanta would be a step back in gun's with only advantage even better speed. 

[Panocek]

9 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

I knew Fanta would be a step back in gun's with only advantage even better speed. 

And yet, I've liked that bote and even kept her in port, lacking adequate captain tho.Only issue, trying to set fires to BBmasterrace feels like excercise in futility to the point you'd be better actually going dark and putting fishes into action.

 

Same could be said about Mogador as well - meaty (not so) little cruiser shoved into game as destroyer, as I guess T10 being just that but beefier. I don't feel like grinding 2 16lvl+ captains for both

 

[CptBarney]

5 hours ago, Saiyko said:

Err? Really? You can't be that naive, can you?

 

One Boat to rule them all,

One Boat to find them,
One Boat to bring them all

and in the darkness bind them

 

This is certainly some part of the reason. First you create the problem, then you sell the solution. Friesland is a good example of that.

 

Shush, gib me 60% winrate goergia nowah.

 

Trying to win in the ryujo today was driving me insane even if i was killing loads and doing loads of damage (four bottom tier games one top tier lost that game as well lol).

[Captain_Lootbox]

I've taken a few months off, other than a few low level games,  too see what WG would do with CVs.  What are they like now?   Are they in their finished state or are they still a work in progress? Is WG seriously trying to bring subs into the game after the CV disaster?

[El2aZeR]

7 minutes ago, Distinctly_Average said:

What are they like now?   Are they in their finished state or are they still a work in progress? Is WG seriously trying to bring subs into the game after the CV disaster?

 

- generally overpowered due to massive buff in 0.8.7

- still wip, although given a complete lack of adjustments in 0.8.8 it's possible that the devs have given up

- yes

[Captain_Lootbox]

12 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

- generally overpowered due to massive buff in 0.8.7

- still wip, although given a complete lack of adjustments in 0.8.8 it's possible that the devs have given up

- yes

That's not good to hear.  I was hoping that something would have been done to make them more suitable to the game.  Never mind.  Maybe I'll take a few more months off to see what happens with them and see if there is a sub crap storm that comes along when they get introduced.

[TMM01]

Can someone tell me how to dogfight? what keys? any advice would be great pleaseeee?

[El2aZeR]

14 minutes ago, TMM01 said:

Can someone tell me how to dogfight?

 

There is no dogfighting. Fighters are completely automated.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Only getting overpens on smolensk with Hakuryo. Ist it at all possible to citadel her with AP bombs? 

[Torped1ne]

47 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Only getting overpens on smolensk with Hakuryo. Ist it at all possible to citadel her with AP bombs? 

Im not 100% sure but i belive one time i was able to score 2citadels in one drop it was At the end of diving run and from his back but not perfectly alinged, after that no more anyway

[BLUB__BLUB]

On 9/10/2019 at 8:01 PM, Sunleader said:

Kaga = Great Ability to just Spam the Enemy to Death with Torpedoes. Your Planes Drop like Flies. But just like Flies there is just so many of them that you dont really care.

You do however need Balls for this one. Many Players are Scared due to the losses. And dont Realize that they can Ignore them. Kaga Squadrons are Kamikaze Attackers. You just Keep Dropping till the Squadron is gone.

Thinking of getting one... depending how that works out with coupons and stuff. 

I have seen it at work and it's meme-worthy.  

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

Just now, BLUB__BLUB said:

Thinking of getting one... depending how that works out with coupons and stuff. 

I have seen it at work and it's meme-worthy.  

I can teach you its secrets..... Although i still have to get a bit better at it myself

[Capra76]

6 hours ago, Distinctly_Average said:

I was hoping that something would have been done to make them more suitable to the game.

 

There's nothing that can be done, as a class they are broken by design, you either have something that ruins the game for everyone else or you have something that is so weak that it's virtually unplayable, there is no middle ground.

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

2 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

There's nothing that can be done, as a class they are broken by design, you either have something that ruins the game for everyone else or you have something that is so weak that it's virtually unplayable, there is no middle ground.

Currently CVs are in a fine spot. They are a strong class for good CV players, but a weak class for bad CV players- some exceptions there, but that goes for any class. 

For a strong counterplayer it generally still isnt too much of a problem if they run into a strong CV as they'll know how to use their AA, how to position etc. For weak & dumb players, you'll end up with destroyers that have their AA permanently enabled and that don't dodge CV torpedos. And in my opinion that is perfectly fine. Such players won't do good against any other class either anyway. 

The class is strong damgewise, though not quite as strong as before the rework, and their battle influence greatly depends on the CV commander- it is not inherent to the CV class itself. So IMO the current status of CVs is pretty good for both CVs and non-CVs, the only possible problem remaining being the spotting potential against in particular DDs. And that is mainly an issue because- believe me or not- the detectability of aircraft is so high. 

[BLUB__BLUB]

11 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

I can teach you its secrets..... Although i still have to get a bit better at it myself

I'd be interested but not for >35E, that's too much IMO.

Did get the Ark Royal, it's really good. And funny.

 

BTW after this weekend... Midway coming, finally grinded it.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 33 Minuten, Capra76 sagte:

 

There's nothing that can be done, as a class they are broken by design, you either have something that ruins the game for everyone else or you have something that is so weak that it's virtually unplayable, there is no middle ground.

Ruin for everyone else is good for me. 

[Excavatus]

Hello residents of CV discussion topic.

Today, this topic is losing its pinned status,

new and specific CV topics will not be closed.

But regular CV whining will be directed or merged into this one again!

 

All loving mod!

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

What have you done.... ☆♡☆

[mtm78]

1 hour ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

What have you done.... ☆♡☆

 

Well rework is done you see, they don't 'need' the feedback anymore.... 

 

Yesterday Killian cheered me up, I got to shoot down his planes in a training room with Huanghe and yeah yeah the AAA on it is nice... but the only way I can keep dodging those is by constantly turning with the planes.... imagine doing that with 11 other players in the enemy team.

 

But hey, no need to talk about that, it's not like it matters.