CV Rework Discussion

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Yesterday I played Shima against a op T10 CV. Not only did he not kill me or stop me and my mates from winning, he also lost 10 planes to my superior sector reinforcement skills. Shima AA is just to powerful for this world. 

[KillStealBoss]

32 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Yesterday I played Shima against a op T10 CV. Not only did he not kill me or stop me and my mates from winning, he also lost 10 planes to my superior sector reinforcement skills. Shima AA is just to powerful for this world. 

When you shoot down 24 midway planes.... On Kleber 

[Sunleader]

12 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

When you shoot down 24 midway planes.... On Kleber 

 

I have no Idea how someone could Manage so badly to be Honest.

When I see a French DD its like "Dinnertime" because its got no Smoke and not even Heavy AA. So I can leisurely Eat it without any Worries.

Only thing really not working on them is Torps because they are frickin Fast.

 

Albeit despite that I mostly Ignore French DDs.

They are easy Targets. But they just pose no Strategic Threat to the Team. Their Ability to Stealth Torp is almost non Existent.

And without a Smoke they can use their Guns to Full Potential either.

So even if they are in the Flank it just doesnt really matter.

[KillStealBoss]

20 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

I have no Idea how someone could Manage so badly to be Honest.

When I see a French DD its like "Dinnertime" because its got no Smoke and not even Heavy AA. So I can leisurely Eat it without any Worries.

Only thing really not working on them is Torps because they are frickin Fast.

 

Albeit despite that I mostly Ignore French DDs.

They are easy Targets. But they just pose no Strategic Threat to the Team. Their Ability to Stealth Torp is almost non Existent.

And without a Smoke they can use their Guns to Full Potential either.

So even if they are in the Flank it just doesnt really matter.

7km spot and 8km torps that's for you no torping ability? Plus so many DDs caught on those torps when I was playing the Mogador. Why do many planes? Cause I was avoiding by instant speed change and using sectors. Sometimes he was hitting me with 1 rocket. Sometimes. He wasted 6 min on me and finally gave up. Those ships are good harassment, fire starters when the cap / recap from behind. They're better version of Khaba - better torps, stealth, maneuverability, speed and gun range. Only missing the heal. If you desire playing Russian DDs at the first place - yeah, the French DDs isn't good thing for you. 

[Panocek]

11 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

7km spot and 8km torps that's for you no torping ability? Plus so many DDs caught on those torps when I was playing the Mogador. Why do many planes? Cause I was avoiding by instant speed change and using sectors. Sometimes he was hitting me with 1 rocket. Sometimes. He wasted 6 min on me and finally gave up. Those ships are good harassment, fire starters when the cap / recap from behind. They're better version of Khaba - better torps, stealth, maneuverability, speed and gun range. Only missing the heal. If you desire playing Russian DDs at the first place - yeah, the French DDs isn't good thing for you. 

To be honest Kiev and Tashkent CAN stealth torp if you actually spec for camo, while still having heal and better sustained gun dpm.

[KillStealBoss]

6 minutes ago, Panocek said:

To be honest Kiev and Tashkent CAN stealth torp if you actually spec for camo, while still having heal and better sustained gun dpm.

Don't say anything about Tashkent (trashkent), everytime when I saw mogador I was dead (I was regrinding the russian DD like) , this was so big fat and easy to hit cow…. gun dpm you say… interesting. oh and those russian 55knt torps… lol mate just lol.

[Sunleader]

22 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

7km spot and 8km torps that's for you no torping ability? Plus so many DDs caught on those torps when I was playing the Mogador. Why do many planes? Cause I was avoiding by instant speed change and using sectors. Sometimes he was hitting me with 1 rocket. Sometimes. He wasted 6 min on me and finally gave up. Those ships are good harassment, fire starters when the cap / recap from behind. They're better version of Khaba - better torps, stealth, maneuverability, speed and gun range. Only missing the heal. If you desire playing Russian DDs at the first place - yeah, the French DDs isn't good thing for you. 

 

Most DDs in T10 have 10km and more Range on their Torpedoes. And are only Spotted on 6.x km.

So yes thats really Barely any Stealth Torping Capability.

The only ones worse for Stealth Torping are the Russian Ones which come with Smoke as well as well as far better Guns and only slightly less Speed.

 

And well. That means the CV was just too Incompetent to even Aim..... All you have to do with Rockets is to Aim Slightly above the Nose (above from your point of view so slightly behind the Enemy Ship) and it does not matter what kind of movement the DD does you will still Hit. Because he cant slow fast enough to have your Rockets pass in front. He cant Speed out of your Rockets. And turning wont get him out of the Spread either.

The only way to miss a DD with Rockets is bad luck with RNG (Rockets landing all around the DD because RNGesus said **** you) or when your Incompetent and dont Aim properly.

And at T10 I would really Expect People to at least know how to Aim Rockets.... But well. Never underestimate how Noob some People can be....

 

As for Russian DDs I dont care as I dont have them and dont want them to be honest. I do know however. That as a CV I dont like Attacking Russian DDs. As they take alot of Time to Kill and usually are pretty Expensive.

[Panocek]

8 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Don't say anything about Tashkent (trashkent), everytime when I saw mogador I was dead (I was regrinding the russian DD like) , this was so big fat and easy to hit cow…. gun dpm you say… interesting. oh and those russian 55knt torps… lol mate just lol.

Frenchsters trade sustained gun dpm, handy for roasting BBs for burst with MBRB of theirs to spank destroyers. RU torpedo reaction time is also similar to those French "railgun fishes"

 

And handling wise, both Mogador and Tashkent are Big F Gun(boats) with size of an early cruiser and both handle as one.

[KillStealBoss]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Frenchsters trade sustained gun dpm, handy for roasting BBs for burst with MBRB of theirs to spank destroyers. RU torpedo reaction time is also similar to those French "railgun fishes"

 

And handling wise, both Mogador and Tashkent are Big F Gun(boats) with size of an early cruiser and both handle as one.

nope, Trashkent is worse. Udaloi maybe is more similar to the French.

[KillStealBoss]

17 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Most DDs in T10 have 10km and more Range on their Torpedoes. And are only Spotted on 6.x km.

So yes thats really Barely any Stealth Torping Capability.

The only ones worse for Stealth Torping are the Russian Ones which come with Smoke as well as well as far better Guns and only slightly less Speed.

 

And well. That means the CV was just too Incompetent to even Aim..... All you have to do with Rockets is to Aim Slightly above the Nose (above from your point of view so slightly behind the Enemy Ship) and it does not matter what kind of movement the DD does you will still Hit. Because he cant slow fast enough to have your Rockets pass in front. He cant Speed out of your Rockets. And turning wont get him out of the Spread either.

The only way to miss a DD with Rockets is bad luck with RNG (Rockets landing all around the DD because RNGesus said **** you) or when your Incompetent and dont Aim properly.

And at T10 I would really Expect People to at least know how to Aim Rockets.... But well. Never underestimate how Noob some People can be....

 

As for Russian DDs I dont care as I dont have them and dont want them to be honest. I do know however. That as a CV I dont like Attacking Russian DDs. As they take alot of Time to Kill and usually are pretty Expensive.

The speed of the French make them not so predictable as other DDs. and with Tiny Tims… oh well. 

[Panocek]

10 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

nope, Trashkent is worse. Udaloi maybe is more similar to the French.

I find both "similar yet different". With Tash and no concealment build you at least don't get ideas of actually carrying out DD duties, which most of the time ends badly with Mogaderp

 

Udaloi have identical gunnery to Tashkent, literally trading speed for having Smoke, Heal and DFAA/Engine Boost and 3rd fishlauncher.

[KillStealBoss]

33 minutes ago, Panocek said:

I find both "similar yet different". With Tash and no concealment build you at least don't get ideas of actually carrying out DD duties, which most of the time ends badly with Mogaderp

 

Udaloi have identical gunnery to Tashkent, literally trading speed for having Smoke, Heal and DFAA/Engine Boost and 3rd fishlauncher.

Udaloi handles better. Go reset the line and see it by yourself, then compare it to Mogador.

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Udaloi handles better. Go reset the line and see it by yourself, then compare it to Mogador.

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[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, MacArthur92 said:

The speed of the French make them not so predictable as other DDs. and with Tiny Tims… oh well. 

 

Well. For Fairness said. If you use Tiny Tims which are Rockets especially there to shift your Focus to Bigger Ships instead of DDs. Then that in itself is supposed to give you less Chances to hit a DD.

But this is mostly RNG which makes you miss. Not the DDs actions.

[KillStealBoss]

25 minutes ago, Panocek said:

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Why? To have some RB points. I'm now beating the hell out of ppl in low tiers, 3rd kraken in one day 

[KillStealBoss]

1 minute ago, Sunleader said:

 

Well. For Fairness said. If you use Tiny Tims which are Rockets especially there to shift your Focus to Bigger Ships instead of DDs. Then that in itself is supposed to give you less Chances to hit a DD.

But this is mostly RNG which makes you miss. Not the DDs actions.

Maybe, but the amount of tiny tims is small and if you move to aggressive to aim - they just go everywhere. If it was an audacious I would be  toast....

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Why? To have some RB points. I'm now beating the hell out of ppl in low tiers, 3rd kraken in one day 

If I want to spank some lolitiers I can do it just fine without "losing progress" gimmick

 

8 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Well. For Fairness said. If you use Tiny Tims which are Rockets especially there to shift your Focus to Bigger Ships instead of DDs. Then that in itself is supposed to give you less Chances to hit a DD.

But this is mostly RNG which makes you miss. Not the DDs actions.

On other hand TiTs have MUCH better accuracy, to the point they are straight up better than HVARs on Midway.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Hvar are crap on Midway even Enterprise is more consistent then Midway in that regard. 

Tiny Tim's wreck, absolutely destroy DD's. 9k hits aren't a rarity. 

[Sunleader]

38 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Maybe, but the amount of tiny tims is small and if you move to aggressive to aim - they just go everywhere. If it was an audacious I would be  toast....

 

Yes. But thats the Tradeoff you have for the higher Damage Output :)

 

36 minutes ago, Panocek said:

If I want to spank some lolitiers I can do it just fine without "losing progress" gimmick

 

On other hand TiTs have MUCH better accuracy, to the point they are straight up better than HVARs on Midway.

 

Which does not change my Point that Tiny Tims have the unfortunate side effect that RNG just somettimes says **** you and you dont hit anything ;)

 

22 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Hvar are crap on Midway even Enterprise is more consistent then Midway in that regard. 

Tiny Tim's wreck, absolutely destroy DD's. 9k hits aren't a rarity. 

 

Nobody is contesting that.

But I was with you when RNGesus put Thumbs down on you with them when we last Played together :P

I still remember you Cursing about it that you kept missing the DD thanks to RNG Spread ^^

[Panocek]

Just now, Sunleader said:

Which does not change my Point that Tiny Tims have the unfortunate side effect that RNG just somettimes says **** you and you dont hit anything ;)

You've yet to see Midway HVARs in that regard.

 

HVARs are fine for BB or even CV sized target with <33mm plating, which narrows down to... not many targets if you want to apply maximum spank per run.

[Prospect_b]

15 hours ago, CptBarney said:

Never understood why they nerfed cruiser and DD AA while buffing BB AA.

Err? Really? You can't be that naive, can you?

 

One Boat to rule them all,

One Boat to find them,
One Boat to bring them all

and in the darkness bind them

 

15 hours ago, CptBarney said:

Unless they want to add in dedicated AA frigates, heavy frigates, corvettes, DDs, Heavy DD's and light cruisers. 

This is certainly some part of the reason. First you create the problem, then you sell the solution. Friesland is a good example of that.

 

[KillStealBoss]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

If I want to spank some lolitiers I can do it just fine without "losing progress" gimmick

 

On other hand TiTs have MUCH better accuracy, to the point they are straight up better than HVARs on Midway.

As Jingles says "if you hit more sh*t on the wall some will stick" 

[Panocek]

5 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

As Jingles says "if you hit more sh*t on the wall some will stick" 

You need to hit said wall in first place

[mtm78]

4 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

7km spot and 8km torps that's for you no torping ability? Plus so many DDs caught on those torps when I was playing the Mogador. Why do many planes? Cause I was avoiding by instant speed change and using sectors. Sometimes he was hitting me with 1 rocket. Sometimes. He wasted 6 min on me and finally gave up. Those ships are good harassment, fire starters when the cap / recap from behind. They're better version of Khaba - better torps, stealth, maneuverability, speed and gun range. Only missing the heal. If you desire playing Russian DDs at the first place - yeah, the French DDs isn't good thing for you. 

 

Nah, I don't see FR DD's with 50mm plating on them.

 

Also, I have a hard time dodging CV's in my Frenchies when speedboost is off. With it on they dodge like pro's but when it's down you're pretty much getting hit every strike... well I am ;)

[Panocek]

Just now, mtm78 said:

Nah, I don't see FR DD's with 50mm plating on them.

I also don't see FR DD's eating AP pens all day long