CV Rework Discussion

[DFens_666]

2 hours ago, CptBarney said:

Wat?

 

Next level (if id say it, they would probably ban me, so use your imagination )

WG not even understanding how useless CV WR is... im used to that from forums, but you would have thought, THEY would understand. Guess ive been giving them too much credit lately when i thought, they are carefully planning each move to milk the customers as good as they do. They are just lucky

 

15 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Are there even any changes to CVs in 0.8.8 that we know about?

 

I mean, at this point I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've just given up completely.

 

Well, as they seem to make changes now without even mentioning them, does it even matter anymore?

[gslick]

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

WG not even understanding how useless CV WR is... im used to that from forums, but you would have thought, THEY would understand.

Well, as they seem to make changes now without even mentioning them, does it even matter anymore?

 

They understand how useless CV WR is as they have so stated in the past when it suited their narrative.  Now suddenly since Hosho's WR is only modestly elevated over Langley and Hermes is somehow proof that T4 CVs are fine and everyone is having a good time.   Using the same data to argue both sides of a case depending on your story you want to tell at the time.

[Mr_Glitter]

Currently regrinding the IJN CV line. First game with Hosho 155k, 7 kills, Confederate, Kraken and High Caliber.

I've doubled the XP of the second of my team (16xx base for me. 7xx for him).

My mistake was to use attack planes and DBs once. With TB only I would have got an even better game. 

Good job there WG. 

[KillStealBoss]

7 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Are there even any changes to CVs in 0.8.8 that we know about?

 

I mean, at this point I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've just given up completely.

S_O in 0.8.8 Dev diaries vid didn't mention anything new for CVs. 

I'm still waiting for Ark Royal though....

[1MajorKoenig]

1 hour ago, Mr_CVed said:

Currently regrinding the IJN CV line. First game with Hosho 155k, 7 kills, Confederate, Kraken and High Caliber.

I've doubled the XP of the second of my team (16xx base for me. 7xx for him).

My mistake was to use attack planes and DBs once. With TB only I would have got an even better game. 

Good job there WG. 

 

So T4 CVs have gone from “useless” to “OP”?

 

Is that the next thing - CVs are muh bad because T4 CVs are too strong now?

 

Haven’t played since 0.8.7 myself hence why I need to ask 

 

 

[Mr_Glitter]

10 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

So T4 CVs have gone from “useless” to “OP”?

Only played Hosho myself and with T3+4+5 surface ships against Hosho and Langley.

Both are too strong with the double torp drop while AA is laughable. 

Hermes is far behind them. 

Can't tell you anything about higher tiers for now. 

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Is that the next thing - CVs are muh bad because T4 CVs are too strong now?

Pretty much. Hosho is peak of fun and engaging you can have when shipping on others

only if every lolibote in game didn't have full scale hard on for my floating ironing board...

[CptBarney]

3 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

So T4 CVs have gone from “useless” to “OP”?

 

Is that the next thing - CVs are muh bad because T4 CVs are too strong now?

 

Haven’t played since 0.8.7 myself hence why I need to ask 

 

 

You should play miss hosho, then your clan name will be even more feared lol.

 

What do peeps think about tier 6 and 8 cv's atm?

[Sunleader]

I just Bombed a Minotaur Twice with a Stock Torpedo Bomber Squadron from my Implacable.....

God what has become of this Game

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, Sunleader said:

I just Bombed a Minotaur Twice with a Stock Torpedo Bomber Squadron from my Implacable.....

God what has become of this Game

Oh yeah i was gonna watch toineh replay but got distracted.

 

I've also managed to torp amagis with a semi stock ryujo (did almost 50k damage, but im not used to IJN CV's at all).

 

Well, almost finished my BB design on to making an aircraft carrier lol.

[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, CptBarney said:

Oh yeah i was gonna watch toineh replay but got distracted.

 

I've also managed to torp amagis with a semi stock ryujo (did almost 50k damage, but im not used to IJN CV's at all).

 

Well, almost finished my BB design on to making an aircraft carrier lol.

 

The Replay in the other Topic is from a T9 Game where I dropped a Neptune Twice. Also with Stock Planes...

The Minotaur was in my 3rd Game. Can of course Upload that Replay as well....

 

But unlike the other Game this one is not really even close. So its far less Interesting.

20190906_150719_PBSA108-Implacable_28_naval_mission.wowsreplay

[mtm78]

@Panocek _{better watch out man I hear dem loli's can send you straight to Davy Jone's locker.} 

[AirSupremacy]

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, mtm78 said:

@Panocek _{better watch out man I hear dem loli's can send you straight to Davy Jone's locker.} 

I've yet to see one succeed at that though

[ApolloF117]

4 hours ago, Sunleader said:

I just Bombed a Minotaur Twice with a Stock Torpedo Bomber Squadron from my Implacable.....

God what has become of this Game

Mino was stock too, she didn't had the B hull... that one has all the AA

[Sunleader]

7 minutes ago, ApolloF117 said:

Mino was stock too, she didn't had the B hull... that one has all the AA

 

Pls dont make Jokes like this.

Some Noobs Readings this might actually believe you because they dont know that Minotaur is a T10 Ships and has no Hull Upgrades....

 

 

[ApolloF117]

8 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Pls dont make Jokes like this. 

Some Noobs Readings this might actually believe you because they dont know that Minotaur is a T10 Ships and has no Hull Upgrades.... 

 

[Capra76]

20 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Are there even any changes to CVs in 0.8.8 that we know about?

 

I mean, at this point I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've just given up completely.

 

Scary, and possible true.

[Padds01]

21 hours ago, CptBarney said:

What do peeps think about tier 6 and 8 cv's atm?

I think across the board the difference between being top and bottom tier is still far too wide.

t6 are fine , possibly a little too strong. t8 are fine unless there bottom tier , then i find it just pure pain but it varies a lot on what enemy ships are present and how they are moved. 

there are people like sun and el2 stating they never get hit by flak and can drop torps on minotaurs with stock t8 , i have tried to watch the replays , i think they maybe dont work on steam version , but anyways they dont work for me so no idea how they are doing it. i mean i can do that if a mino is parked at the exact right distance behind a mountain , is alone and not paying attention but ill get one drop not two and it will cost me everything that goes in.

 

so i guess it depends on you  if your a super unicum like those guys (and that term still sounds wrong to me) then there op to , but if your a scrub like me there not playable, i am only finishing the grind on lex and shok because the annivesary is coming up and they tend to reward tx ships from what i hear. im not enjoying it and the Audacious is sitting there untouched since i upgraded one squadron .

 

i do know its not a good use of time , its just im stubborn and tend to finish things i start

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 36 Minuten, Padds01 sagte:

sun and el2 stating they never get hit by flak

Dodging flak is a rhythm game.

Once you know the beat you will never get hit again. I could probably dodge flak blind if someone told me when I entered flak spawn zone. 

[Padds01]

9 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Dodging flak is a rhythm game.

Once you know the beat you will never get hit again. I could probably dodge flak blind if someone told me when I entered flak spawn zone. 

i get that and if im attacking one ship i never (well very rarely) get hit by flak, its when there are 2+ or high AA ships like Atlanta ,fries , mino then the flak walls become solid and too wide to dodge even if i add W and S into the A/D hax. and some flak just starts hitting the planes directly outside of the normal bursts, groups of around 4 planes just take wedges of damage , sometimes rapidly. 

 

i have no idea how people are dodging those. and from my time grinding through my neptune (my god was that a bad pick for first line to level) i dont think many have. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

You will always graze flak walls and sometimes get hit with a big squadron if you don't predrop. 

Remember that if you predrop you also decrease the hitable area of your planes which makes dodging multiple flak spawns easier to do. 

[Pikkozoikum]

On 9/4/2019 at 2:22 PM, mcboernester said:

The 0.8.0 AA / Plane Interaction where completely different from 0.8.7 / 0.8.8. I see no Point in comparing them. The inital system was strongly based on flak bursts and avoiding them, the current one is mostly continious  dps.

Oof, you seem to be the only persion, who understand that. I was trying to tell people that all the time.

[CptBarney]

2 hours ago, Padds01 said:

I think across the board the difference between being top and bottom tier is still far too wide.

t6 are fine , possibly a little too strong. t8 are fine unless there bottom tier , then i find it just pure pain but it varies a lot on what enemy ships are present and how they are moved. 

there are people like sun and el2 stating they never get hit by flak and can drop torps on minotaurs with stock t8 , i have tried to watch the replays , i think they maybe dont work on steam version , but anyways they dont work for me so no idea how they are doing it. i mean i can do that if a mino is parked at the exact right distance behind a mountain , is alone and not paying attention but ill get one drop not two and it will cost me everything that goes in.

 

so i guess it depends on you  if your a super unicum like those guys (and that term still sounds wrong to me) then there op to , but if your a scrub like me there not playable, i am only finishing the grind on lex and shok because the annivesary is coming up and they tend to reward tx ships from what i hear. im not enjoying it and the Audacious is sitting there untouched since i upgraded one squadron .

 

i do know its not a good use of time , its just im stubborn and tend to finish things i start

Yeah, im not a bad carrier player myself since i have purple stats in them atm and green and some blues in other ships like DD's and BB's atm.

 

But i find dodging flak usually to be ok, but when multiple ships are there is becomes much more of a challenge since they will start up and shut down at different rates to each other. I also don't understand exactly where flak spawns but i have a general idea, i've had times where my squad just gets completely wiped out despite dodging flak.

 

I would be lying if i said i don't get hit by flak, but sometimes i get hit by flak even when the clouds have dispersed (is that a bug?). Lexi in a tier 10 game is a lot harder for me than some peeps make it out to be, i've had games where i've done only 30-40k damage due to team being too good or too many blobs. Also CV planes aren't as fast as they used to be so securing kills is harder and not as consistent either. I can still get 100k+ games with 3 kill+ games as well but still.

 

My planes still get shredded even after i boost them to leave and sometimes only get 1-4 planes back if im lucky. And thats when i press f and not before, i don't think i've ever had a full squad comeback after a strike since 0.8.0-0.8.2.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 6 Minuten, CptBarney sagte:

Yeah, im not a bad carrier player myself since i have purple stats in them atm and green and some blues in other ships like DD's and BB's atm.

 

But i find dodging flak usually to be ok, but when multiple ships are there is becomes much more of a challenge since they will start up and shut down at different rates to each other. I also don't understand exactly where flak spawns but i have a general idea, i've had times where my squad just gets completely wiped out despite dodging flak.

 

I would be lying if i said i don't get hit by flak, but sometimes i get hit by flak even when the clouds have dispersed (is that a bug?). Lexi in a tier 10 game is a lot harder for me than some peeps make it out to be, i've had games where i've done only 30-40k damage due to team being too good or too many blobs. Also CV planes aren't as fast as they used to be so securing kills is harder and not as consistent either. I can still get 100k+ games with 3 kill+ games as well but still.

 

My planes still get shredded even after i boost them to leave and sometimes only get 1-4 planes back if im lucky. And thats when i press f and not before, i don't think i've ever had a full squad comeback after a strike since 0.8.0-0.8.2.

Invisible flak is wrecking you. Remember the spawn patterns and rhythm of flak and dodge it imagining it appearing on your screen even if it isn't. 

It's like closing your eyes.

Remember that flak takes the last course of your planes into consideration shortly before spawning so keep that in mind.