CV Rework Discussion

[Pikkozoikum]

29 minutes ago, DariusJacek said:

No surprise that most potatoes believe that they boosted AA overall in 8.7 and still are crying "AA OP nerf pls".

They thought that, because they only thought they would overlap sectors and add burst damage. Many people didn't watched stream, where they said, they buff CVs and tweak aa numbers. If people would listen and know about all changes, theny they wouldn't call it op aa.

[Lootboxer]

18 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

They thought that, because they only thought they would overlap sectors and add burst damage. Many people didn't watched stream, where they said, they buff CVs and tweak aa numbers. If people would listen and know about all changes, theny they wouldn't call it op aa.

Yes, but majority do not bother. Most are here to play, not to watch streams. And those new BS numbers are accessible to everyone on loading screen and are misleading. Just had a game in Des and it felt like a joke AA wise. Shoot down whole 3 planes on 2 attacks. In the open so no mountain cover exploited by CV.

 

Anyone got Friesland? Is it worth 1000k? How is AA on her I know it was very good, did they secretly nerfed it before realise too?

Edit: nevermind, found the answer, it;s a joke now https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/123393-friesland-before-you-spend-your-fxp/

[Pikkozoikum]

1 minute ago, DariusJacek said:

Yes, but majority do not bother. Most are here to play, not to watch streams. And those new BS numbers are accessible to everyone on loading screen and are misleading. Just had a game in Des and it felt like a joke AA wise. Shoot down whole 3 planes on 2 attacks. In the open so no mountain cover exploited by CV.

When people are here to play, then they shouldn't complain about future mechanics without correct information?

I can't test ships like DM; I play mostly only IJN ships, and I didn't had a bad experience so far. But I didn't tested it to much, because it's boring without a CV, and if there is a CV, he often ignores me, so it'S too often boring for me to play surface ship :-/

[remenberMYname]

thousand replies..views..

 

but only this one is the core:

 

-before we can handle few squadrons at ones

 

-before we can handle the fighters  (god sake.not dropping arcade!!!!)

 

 

These two problems must be solved, then is ok. 

 

3D view is nice..so only that above makes problems...

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 11 Minuten, Milan_G_ sagte:

thousand replies..views..

 

but only this one is the core:

 

-before we can handle few squadrons at ones

 

-before we can handle the fighters  (god sake.not dropping arcade!!!!)

 

 

These two problems must be solved, then is ok. 

 

3D view is nice..so only that above makes problems...

Yes. You are right. 

We really need to be able to control multiple squadrons and fighters again.

[Panocek]

12 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Found this:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yjhrvUUDRQuAb5td_S3Dyd5iIDaH9yHN_sNSyWaLYAY/edit#gid=1181183220

AA strength at 0.8.0 on PTS 3 (which was the release version).

 

Minotaur current combined AA: 677 dps

Minotaur 0.8.0 mid range AA: 731 dps

 

DM current combined AA: 544 dps

DM 0.8.0 mid range AA: 720 dps

 

To name just two things that stand out to me.

*slow clap*

To add in plane hp changes:

 

[mcboernester]

The 0.8.0 AA / Plane Interaction where completely different from 0.8.7 / 0.8.8. I see no Point in comparing them. The inital system was strongly based on flak bursts and avoiding them, the current one is mostly continious  dps.

[FMJ_Turin]

@up

so Saipan is the only one CV that got nerfed. The worst of tier 8 premium CVs, and yet another (small one, but comparing to other ships buffs, significant) nerf.

[El2aZeR]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

To add in plane hp changes:

 

All I see is

6 minutes ago, Panocek said:

*gigantic Enterprise buff*

 

Because yuo see camrade, when pull ship from store must make sure ship is even more op!

 

3 minutes ago, mcboernester said:

The inital system was strongly based on flak bursts and avoiding them, the current one is mostly continious  dps.

 

Except DPS values are somewhat comparable. The real difference lies in plane speed nerfs and AA focus on single planes rather than spreading damage across the entire squad, which however is clearly not enough to offset the gigantic hit AA DPS has taken across the board.

 

AA is not as weak as in 0.8.0. It is however definitely closer to it than 0.8.0.1 and subsequent.

[Panocek]

6 minutes ago, FMJ_Turin said:

@up

so Saipan is the only one CV that got nerfed. The worst of tier 8 premium CVs, and yet another (small one, but comparing to other ships buffs, significant) nerf.

Obviously, Enterprisemasterrace... except removed from sales already

 

Just now, El2aZeR said:

Because yuo see camrade, when pull ship from store must make sure ship is even more op!

Sounds exactly like "112" chinese tank from WoT - pulled from sales because unpopular (and kinda was) and then got metric jesuston of buffs

[mcboernester]

10 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Except DPS values are somewhat comparable. The real difference lies in plane speed nerfs and AA focus on single planes rather than spreading damage across the entire squad, which however is clearly not enough to offset the gigantic hit AA DPS has taken across the board.

 

AA is not as weak as in 0.8.0. It is however definitely closer to it than 0.8.0.1 and subsequent.

Long story short: Current AA feels faceroll, can we agree on that? 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 4 Minuten, mcboernester sagte:

Long story short: Current AA feels faceroll, can we agree on that? 

No. 

I shot 2 planes down yesterday. They died when I pressed O. 

It's working ♡♡♡♡♡

[CptBarney]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

Obviously, Enterprisemasterrace... except removed from sales already

 

Sounds exactly like "112" chinese tank from WoT - pulled from sales because unpopular (and kinda was) and then got metric jesuston of buffs

112 is still shite doe, defender puts in its place most of the time, unless they actually buffed the pen over 200mm's since then.

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

112 is still shite doe, defender puts in its place most of the time, unless they actually buffed the pen over 200mm's since then.

I wonder if it has something to do with squeezing tier 10 into tier 8

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

I wonder if it has something to do with squeezing tier 10 into tier 8

Lorraine is still decent, amx 50 100, defender, skorpion G etc. Reason being because they have over 200mm's of pen and good mobility (yes some lack armour but thats not always a problem).

 

Especially since wargaming seems to be moving towards multi class maps now rather than braindead corridor slugs or insta death camp tournaments.

 

If the platform is ok and above with a good gun, then the tank is usable hense why those tanks are considered good even in a tier 10 scenario.

 

And lets be honest its not like players at that end are any better.

[El2aZeR]

Well, it's official.

E is gone because of "fluctuations in her combat efficiency detected after 0.8.7".

 

I mean, I've only been telling them since 0.8.0 that she is op and their response was to buff her hard. What a truly surprising outcome. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, El2aZeR sagte:

Well, it's official.

E is gone because of "fluctuations in her combat efficiency detected after 0.8.7".

 

I mean, I've only been telling them since 0.8.0 that she is op and their response was to buff her hard. 

Maybe you need to speak to them in reverse. Ask for a buff next time. 

[Panocek]

9 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Well, it's official.

E is gone because of "fluctuations in her combat efficiency detected after 0.8.7".

 

I mean, I've only been telling them since 0.8.0 that she is op and their response was to buff her hard. What a truly surprising outcome. 

sauce?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/123209-dry-dock-enterprise/?tab=comments#comment-3153625

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

sauce?

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/123209-dry-dock-enterprise/?do=findComment&comment=3153625

[gslick]

37 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Well, it's official.  E is gone because of "fluctuations in her combat efficiency detected after 0.8.7".

I mean, I've only been telling them since 0.8.0 that she is op and their response was to buff her hard. What a truly surprising outcome. 

 

WG is lacking in only 3 minor areas.

o    Consistency

o    Competence

o    Honesty

 

Otherwise all's well.  (My guess they sobered up  finally.  Now back to pass the bottle around again.)

 

[E4GLEyE]

On ‎9‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 2:06 PM, Sunleader said:

 

Your missing something then ^^

That Match really didnt end how I would have expected it to end at least xD

 

As for calling myself a Potato.

Well the thing is. I am.

I mean no Offense to anyone. But I am a Casual Player.

I barely manage to get my Daily Missions done. And even that actually Fails often enough.

 

Compared to El2azer or You (or in Fact several others in this Topic) my Numbers are pretty pretty low. 

Comparing me to Random Players with Deep Red Numbers might make me look good. But thats not really making me a Good Player.

 

 

 

Which doesnt change that its Irrelevant.

See Mate. If some Guy has become a Criminal because he had a Bad Childhood. Than this is Sad. But this doesnt change the Fact that they are a Criminal and it wont really matter to them needing to be bought to Justice.

 

And no they are Clearly not Okay.

I think this has been Proven beyond Doubt.

And no Offense to you Personally Mate. But have you Actually Played any Games in 0.8.7 so far ?

Because I cant find any Games for you.

So how can you find it Okay when you have not even Played this Version of the Game yet ?

played plenty, wanted to check out how my defeat streaks affected my stat but nothing showing up, not sure whats up with that... Probably for the better... I keep getting low damage high death rates xD skipped a month and got rusty, tho Asashio quickly saved that trend, 16km DW torps are a joy.

[Sunleader]

16 minutes ago, E4GLEyE said:

played plenty, wanted to check out how my defeat streaks affected my stat but nothing showing up, not sure whats up with that... Probably for the better... I keep getting low damage high death rates xD skipped a month and got rusty, tho Asashio quickly saved that trend, 16km DW torps are a joy.

 

Doesnt look like that to be Honest.

Your Red Numbers are mostly on your DDs while your CVs show mostly Green and even Violet Numbers.

Your Winrate was Bad on Some CVs. But as I explained before this is not Surprising.

 

Right now. CVs are pretty much the Deciding Factor of a Match.

A Single Good T8 CV even in a T10 Match is worth as much as a Full Division of Good Cruisers/BBs/DDs.

 

And since both sides get 1 of these Overpowered Monsters. Your Winrate is the one Thing where being a CV will make the Game much much Harder at you.

Because unless your Better than the CV of the Enemy. You will lose ALOT.

[AndyHill]

11 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Also WoWs console may not get CVs anymore LOL.

Has there been new info on the subject? Back when people were claiming that the rework is done purely to consolify the game mechanics I would've been ready to bet a decent amount of money on consoles never getting carriers*. If I was a developer I'd take one good look at carriers on PC, say NOPE to that and exploit my opportunity to steal some of the playerbase to the carrier-free platform. Have they made announcements recently or something?

 

*Note that consoles not getting carriers does not necessarily mean that the motivation (or a motivation) for the rework wasn't potential consolification.

[Lootboxer]

Reeeework is a great success. This morning there were more CVs at T4 in a queue then all of the rest classes combined. I expect those numbers to go up in higher tiers soon as well with a number of DDs going down again. Good for BBs I suppose. Ivan we made it comrade, davaj vodku cuka blat.