CV Rework Discussion

[KillStealBoss]

8 hours ago, CptBarney said:

Yeah, i mean sometimes i get my entire squad wiped by ships that are two tiers higher than me (makes me wonder if i should just scream at teh monitor).

 

Well, this is what it has to look like. For me it's nothing wrong, especially in - even - small blob.

[Sunleader]

19 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Well, this is what it have to look like. For me it's nothing wrong, especially in - even - small blob.

 

The wrong thing is that this is only an RNG thing.

 

They basicly made the Manual Part completely useless.

And returned to 0.8.1 or wherever it was that basicly the only effective AA was the Black Smokes.

 

Its a Sad Joke really that they Implement a Manual System and in the Same Update Shift ALL of the Power away from that System and place it on RNG...

[CptBarney]

15 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

The wrong thing is that this is only an RNG thing.

 

They basicly made the Manual Part completely useless.

And returned to 0.8.1 or wherever it was that basicly the only effective AA was the Black Smokes.

 

Its a Sad Joke really that they Implement a Manual System and in the Same Update Shift ALL of the Power away from that System and place it on RNG...

When it comes to strikes and flak, how to minimise damage from them during strikes? Because obviously if you try to dodge you f'up your aim and making it harder to land hits.

[artic_99]

Vor 18 Minuten, Sunleader sagte:

 

The wrong thing is that this is only an RNG thing.

 

They basicly made the Manual Part completely useless.

And returned to 0.8.1 or wherever it was that basicly the only effective AA was the Black Smokes.

 

Its a Sad Joke really that they Implement a Manual System and in the Same Update Shift ALL of the Power away from that System and place it on RNG...

Comparing this to 8.1 is really a bit to much. It's more like 8.4 but in my opionion slightly better as aa works down one plane after one plane. I even had no issues with aa in 8.3 - 8.4 but right now especially T4 cvs are op as hell. Some trash aa ships before are now better than former aa monsters. That is also a point I heavily disagree. Minos aa is worse than desmo and the only ship that is as strong as mino used to be is colbert. 

[rnat]

39 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

When it comes to strikes and flak, how to minimise damage from them during strikes? Because obviously if you try to dodge you f'up your aim and making it harder to land hits.

Trick i copied from El2aZer: If you're already on the attack-approach boost on the way in and when Flak spawns in front of your face slow down till the burst has blown over.

[Sunleader]

36 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

When it comes to strikes and flak, how to minimise damage from them during strikes? Because obviously if you try to dodge you f'up your aim and making it harder to land hits.

 

Well you can go with Elazers way and work with Boosting and Slowing down to avoid AA without changing course.

 

I personally just Evade with Mouse Movement only. Leaving the Keyboard Keys for actual Maneuvers.

 

30 minutes ago, artic_99 said:

Comparing this to 8.1 is really a bit to much. It's more like 8.4 but in my opionion slightly better as aa works down one plane after one plane. I even had no issues with aa in 8.3 - 8.4 but right now especially T4 cvs are op as hell. Some trash aa ships before are now better than former aa monsters. That is also a point I heavily disagree. Minos aa is worse than desmo and the only ship that is as strong as mino used to be is colbert. 

 

The Comparisson was mostly because there was one Iteration where they in the past went and made the Black Puffs the main AA.

Basicly having very Weak Continues AA but very Strong Strong Black Puffs.

 

Thus Noob CVs constantly being Instant Deleted while good CVs could just Ignore AA completely.

 

 

 

[KillStealBoss]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

They basicly made the Manual Part completely useless.

And returned to 0.8.1 or wherever it was that basicly the only effective AA was the Black Smokes.

You’re going too far by comparing today AA to 0.8.1

[Panocek]

28 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

You’re going too far by comparing today AA to 0.8.1

Especially as it was hotfix of 0.8.0.1 that shifted focus from flak to dps

 

So pure "flak AA" lasted for whole week.

[Telesien]

OK, I don't know what happened here. I got back after about 2 years hiatus and this is just dreadful.

 

The usual pattern: start game => do well => get spotted by CV => shoot down 2 planes => get blasted out of water by torpedoes

 

 

I have no idea what exactly they did, but this just isn't fun at all. This is like 10 times worse than arty in WoT during the worst days. Maybe something like no tier limit for early light tanks can come close to the sheer frustration this is.

[El2aZeR]

11 hours ago, Padds01 said:

but t8 is still akin to running a cheese grater over your nerps and dipping them in lemon juice and trying to smile through it.

 

No it isn't. T8 CVs are plenty powerful.

[Padds01]

2 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

No it isn't. T8 CVs are plenty powerful.

no there not!

 

powerful argument there eh! ;)

[1MajorKoenig]

Still the same four guys discussing. Looks like live moved on 

 

So... submarines balanced?

[El2aZeR]

2 minutes ago, Padds01 said:

no there not!

 

powerful argument there eh! ;)

 

Except yours is based on two CVs, one of which is one of the most worthless CVs in the game while the other you have insufficient amounts of matches in.

Aka your opinion on the matter isn't worth anything.

 

Meanwhile others with far more experience and matches played have proven T8 CVs are plenty viable.

[Padds01]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Except yours is based on two CVs, one of which is one of the most worthless CVs in the game while the other you have insufficient amounts of matches in.

Aka your opinion on the matter isn't worth anything.

 

Meanwhile others with far more experience and matches played have proven T8 CVs are plenty viable.

aww now thats mean  ! 

 

[KillStealBoss]

1 hour ago, Telesien said:

 I don't know what happened here. I got back after about 2 years hiatus and this is just dreadful.

 

Not only in CVs mate. The changes in last 2 years are enormous. If you didn't have any contact with the forums/FB .... Then you'll going to have pretty hard time. 

[Sunleader]

2 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

You’re going too far by comparing today AA to 0.8.1

 

As I said.

This was Aimed at the Iteration of WG trying to make it work with the Heavy AA Black Puffs.

It was not Aimed at how Powerful CVs were.

 

 

[Telesien]

1 hour ago, MacArthur92 said:

Not only in CVs mate. The changes in last 2 years are enormous. If you didn't have any contact with the forums/FB .... Then you'll going to have pretty hard time. 

I don't know about that, I haven't noticed anything else being different, but that might just be because it is hard to notice anything with that tremendous elephant in the room.

[El2aZeR]

@MacArthur92

Please tell me again how the bugs in the rework are less decisive than in the RTS iteration.

Spoiler

 

Solution to this is to retreat the squad via F (which is going to be the only button that still works for whatever reason), kill the entire game and reconnect. Literally nothing else you can do. Waiting until match result doesn't resolve it.

As a workaround simply don't use the mouse. Ever. Don't use auto pilot, don't adjust things on the minimap, don't press Ctrl/escape, don't press M for the tactical map, never look at the scoreboard and generally don't EVER bring the mouse up.

Play the stationary airfield WG wants you to be.

 

"Losing bunch of fighters to obscure bug no one has heard of before is a lot worse than being unable to play the game at all." LOL

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Ohhh i had that bug so often it cost me my sanity in those matches and thankfully it always happend near the end and i had it maybe 10 or so times. 

[CptBarney]

Did anyone used to get the bug where you camera would have the biggest fit known to man and then just point upwards to the sky forevah?

 

Think i got that a few times before 0.8.4 i've had the spinning camera a few times on surface ships (very sporadic but still). Was funny because i took out a toinehboat dis way as well.

[KillStealBoss]

7 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Losing bunch of fighters to obscure bug no one has heard of before is a lot worse than being unable to play the game at all." LOL

Not bunch but almost all. Maybe I was making something wrong initiating that bug - idk. 

But losing one squad , even two won't make you able to play the game? With planes reloading? Ha?.

On RTS if you lost the fighters and the enemy still had them - you had no cover = you lost cause the enemy got air dominance and will eventually kill all your remaining few fighters and strike planes. Which will never happen on today CV gameplay - unless you're making the same mistake is attacking the same blob that destroyed your last squad. 

[KillStealBoss]

8 hours ago, Telesien said:

I don't know about that, I haven't noticed anything else being different, but that might just be because it is hard to notice anything with that tremendous elephant in the room.

Smoke change, new torpedo type ( deep water) radar ranges change, radar delay for the team about 6 sec, changes in minimap, autopilot, concealment expert change (DDs didn't charge) , Armory, coal addition, steel addition....

[El2aZeR]

5 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

But losing one squad , even two won't make you able to play the game? With planes reloading? Ha?.

 

You completely missed the point, didn't you?

A bug, if it even was one, made you lose fighter duels. The above demonstrated bug in the rework however completely prevents you from playing the game.

Tell me which one you prefer.

 

And the funny part about this is that isn't the only bug out there that outright prevents you from playing in the rework. I can think of at least 2 others.

 

So no, objectively speaking even the bugs in the RTS iteration were better which is extremely laughable.

[KillStealBoss]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

 

You completely missed the point, didn't you?

A bug, if it even was one, made you lose fighter duels. The above demonstrated bug in the rework however completely prevents you from playing the game.

Tell me which one you prefer.

 

And the funny part about this is that isn't the only bug out there that outright prevents you from playing in the rework. I can think of at least 2 others.

 

So no, objectively speaking even the bugs in the RTS iteration were better which is extremely laughable.

Idk what happened there. His keyboard didn't react or what? 

Some guy could log into the game cause in the game guys keyboard and mouse did freeze. Well yeah this is worse than the bug that I was describing which was situational and didn't occur on every battle. 

[El2aZeR]

18 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Idk what happened there. His keyboard didn't react or what? 

 

If you bring up the mouse in a CV there is a chance that it will stick on the screen. However both mouse and keyboard will become completely unresponsive, aka you need to kill the game via task manager and restart.

 

So as a workaround you must never use the mouse. Aka never bring up the menu, never use auto pilot, never press Ctrl, etc.

 

And this is far from rare.