CV Rework Discussion

[CptBarney]

Oh.

 

So the planes not strafing properly was because i was bad? Not a bug?

 

Fook. Dat means i can't blame shite mechanics anymorez.

 

 

ONTO SUBS WE GO!

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 10 Minuten, CptBarney sagte:

Oh.

 

So the planes not strafing properly was because i was bad? Not a bug?

 

Fook. Dat means i can't blame shite mechanics anymorez.

 

 

ONTO SUBS WE GO!

You need to stop posting that ugly picture it hurts every time i look q_q ☆

 

Also i cant wait for subs

 

[Sunleader]

Unfortunately Subs wont be Fixing CVs.

With just 2-3 Minutes of Dive Time.

They cant just Bypass Enemy Fleet and Kill Enemy CVs :(

[Yosha_AtaIante]

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[El2aZeR]

5 hours ago, mcboernester said:

The only Bug i can recall is this one ^^

 

 

I had that happen only a single time in my entire CV career. Forgot about it tbh.

 

4 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

I didn't have this one. It was already strafing then getting out of strafe area...

 

Ah, so you were already strafing.

Again, damage and actual position of the squad is independent of the icon. Position of the icon is calculated by the median position of the plane models (this is why it can sometimes fly all over the place) and doesn't necessarily represent anything useful.

Failure to score kills with strafes always has other causes.

Also makes no sense at all that it could only happen to specific CVs.

 

9 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Can't wait until @El2aZeR

sees this

 

Best part is it apparently only helped "a little bit" despite completely murdering AA.

 

Which only affirms how much of a failure this rework continues to be.

[gslick]

3 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

A sub captain has to be patient.

 

Since this is in the CV rework discussion I believe you think that sub captains will come from CV captains.  Given that WOWs said they could NOT put in a takeoff delay of 30 seconds at battle start because the CV captains would be bored then they (CV drivers) will not play subs anyway.

 

17 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Best part is it apparently only helped "a little bit" despite completely murdering AA.

Which only affirms how much of a failure this rework continues to be.

 

I truly think that if WOWs got the percentage of players who played CVs to double by driving half of the surface ships players away, they would declare the rework a resounding success.  

 

[Pikkozoikum]

3 minutes ago, gslick said:

Since this is in the CV rework discussion I believe you think that sub captains will come from CV captains.  Given that WOWs said they could NOT put in a takeoff delay of 30 seconds at battle start because the CV captains would be bored then they (CV drivers) will not play subs anyway.

I was making a joke, so no idea what you are talking about :P

[KillStealBoss]

58 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Also makes no sense at all that it could only happen to specific CVs.

 

I was also surprised about that. Maybe I gave up too quickly should have played more. 

[KillStealBoss]

27 minutes ago, gslick said:

Given that WOWs said they could NOT put in a takeoff delay of 30 seconds at battle start because the CV captains would be bored

Which was so stupid they didn’t implement this, I played a PTS with this delay, wasn’t bad at all. It’s 45 sec on T10. Idk. 

[Sunleader]

2 hours ago, gslick said:

 

Since this is in the CV rework discussion I believe you think that sub captains will come from CV captains.  Given that WOWs said they could NOT put in a takeoff delay of 30 seconds at battle start because the CV captains would be bored then they (CV drivers) will not play subs anyway.

 

 

I truly think that if WOWs got the percentage of players who played CVs to double by driving half of the surface ships players away, they would declare the rework a resounding success.  

 

 

Nope.

Several CV Apologists kept bringing up that CVs would be the Prime Target of Submarines and thus be Balanced once Subs come into the Game.

 

Basicly trying to make the Point that CVs needed to be Strong against DDs.

Balancing by another Rock Paper Scissors.

CV->DD->Sub->CV.

 

 

Thanks to that Submarines and especially their ability to Avoid and Attack CVs have become a bit of an extra Topic in here.

[CptBarney]

Had some pretty bad games today, and lots of screaming morons who assume i need to be at 10 different places at once.

 

Obviously im talking about miss lexi. What is the best way to play higher tier carriers in terms of target selection? Miss hosho is fine but with lexi seem to be having more trouble with this.

[Sunleader]

2 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

 

To be precise it was a certain Air Supplement which repeated this over and over.

 

26 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Had some pretty bad games today, and lots of screaming morons who assume i need to be at 10 different places at once.

 

Obviously im talking about miss lexi. What is the best way to play higher tier carriers in terms of target selection? Miss hosho is fine but with lexi seem to be having more trouble with this.

 

Thats normal.

I lost 2 of my Furios Games Today.

Both with 2 Kills and over 100k Damage...

Both as the Top of my Team....

 

But still both Games there was always the obligatori guy who told me how crab I was and how its all my fault we lost and that I suck etc etc.

 

I wont complain too much about it tough.

Even as T6 CV in T8 Game my Influence is absurdly Big.

Given how much I can carry a Team with the current AA Nerf its almost refreshing when a Team is so incredible bad that it cant be carried or if an Enemy Team is so good that it still beats me.

[KillStealBoss]

34 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

To be precise it was a certain Air Supplement which repeated this over and over.

I still don't understand what do you mean by "CV apologists"

[Sunleader]

30 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

I still don't understand what do you mean by "CV apologists"

 

A Term which came around during 0.8.3 for People which argued for CVs to remain as they are without any Nerfs.

 

Aside from the Obvious People which basicly Claimed that CVs are not Overpowered and are Perfectly Balanced thus not needing to be Nerfed or only needing minor adjustments.

There was also alot of People making Ridiculous excuses for why CVs should stay as OP as they are.

 

For example because Subs will be the Counter to them and so if they are Nerfed they will be too weak when Subs come around.

Or that CVs were Sold as Premium Ships and thus have been sold under the promise of being Overpowered and now it would be unfair to make them balanced again cause People only bought em for being Overpowered.

Or that CVs need to be Overpowered because otherwise nobody wants to Play them.

Or that CVs should be Overpowered because they were Overpowered in Reality.

 

Hence the Term CV Apologist.

[KillStealBoss]

27 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Or that CVs were Sold as Premium Ships and thus have been sold under the promise of being Overpowered and now it would be unfair to make them balanced again cause People only bought em for being Overpowered.

And it is a bit unfair and there should be a dubloon refund for them after 0.8.4. Nothing to lose from WG side. 

[AndyHill]

I've never understood exactly why many people seem to think that subs will be a counter for carriers. Historically that certainly wasn't the case and I don't see how they would be in the game either, at least if they work anything like the prototypes we've seen so far.

[mtm78]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

A Term which came around during 0.8.3 for People which argued for CVs to remain as they are without any Nerfs.

 

Aside from the Obvious People which basicly Claimed that CVs are not Overpowered and are Perfectly Balanced thus not needing to be Nerfed or only needing minor adjustments.

There was also alot of People making Ridiculous excuses for why CVs should stay as OP as they are.

 

For example because Subs will be the Counter to them and so if they are Nerfed they will be too weak when Subs come around.

Or that CVs were Sold as Premium Ships and thus have been sold under the promise of being Overpowered and now it would be unfair to make them balanced again cause People only bought em for being Overpowered.

Or that CVs need to be Overpowered because otherwise nobody wants to Play them.

Or that CVs should be Overpowered because they were Overpowered in Reality.

 

Hence the Term CV Apologist.

 

I don't even play CV's  but I see in game they need to be buffed.... against battleships. Bring back dev strikes!

 

Also, those toxic rocket planes just offer no skill attacks against our precious lolibotes which suffer already from CV's having a hard on for ruining matches and spotting us while we try to do our job uninterrupted. 

 

You carriers are supposed to make battleships obsolete, stop touching our lolibotes!

 

Now on to our regular broadcast... 

 

15 minutes ago, AndyHill said:

I've never understood exactly why many people seem to think that subs will be a counter for carriers. Historically that certainly wasn't the case and I don't see how they would be in the game either, at least if they work anything like the prototypes we've seen so far.

 

Histocially submarine's did 8kts submerged, not 30kts. 

 

But ye don't worry no oxygen to and not fast enough to rush carriers at the start and remove toxic rocketplanes. 

 

 

ps: I get why WG wants them, it's a the 'one ammo which does damage to all' for CV's and they need to be able to defend themselves from pesky lolibotes coming to sink glorious CV's, and I get what they will say when there is no close to NONE counter play.....

 

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Your lolibotes are touching our BBKevin's inappropriately for years and they all say torpedoes are undodgeable and they burn down from your HE spam and fires all the time ( even when our actual statistics showed even fire+he didn't account for the same damage as AP did ). They also all claim there is zero counterplay

 

Balans dah 

 

edit: if things stand as they are, submarines ( if really coming...  ) will likely be going for CV's and CV's alone. Because I will be playing them, and screw ptfo let's kill some 

 

Also, if I'm in a DD and I'm supposed to go ASW on subs, as long as those subs are killing what is ruining my games why would I kill them ( right away )... time enough left in the match after the CV's are death, agreed 

 

Spoiler

Don't forget your grain of salt... yes, a grain, nothing more

 

[Capra76]

1 hour ago, AndyHill said:

I've never understood exactly why many people seem to think that subs will be a counter for carriers. Historically that certainly wasn't the case and I don't see how they would be in the game either, at least if they work anything like the prototypes we've seen so far.

 

It certainly requires a degree of imagination to think that slow vessels with short range weapons can counter something that can hide at the back of the map for the entire game.  Perhaps one v one or in late game they might have an advantage in some situations but this is all if, if, if and probably applies in less than 5% of games, for the other 95%+ of the time their no threat whatsoever.

[Sunleader]

2 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

And it is a bit unfair and there should be a dubloon refund for them after 0.8.4. Nothing to lose from WG side. 

 

I would Disagree on this.

Because the premise of them being Balanced later on was obvious and anyone who bought one should have been aware of this.

 

 

But more Importandly.

They did not ask for a Refund.

But for CVs to remain Overpowered.

 

(Tough several asked for refund AFTER the Nerf)

 

 

 

[asalonen]

14 hours ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

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Spoiler

 

 

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It does seem like a fairly honest, although a bit vague answer? Everybody knows the rework has been a struggle for WG...

(I asked the question on Reddit, and feel like defending poor S_O for what I felt was a perfectly reasonable answer. ♡♡♡)

Disclaimer: I have absolutely no opinion on 0.8.7 -- been out of country for a few weeks to enjoy what they claim to be "real life". I plan to make up for it starting this weekend, however.

[El2aZeR]

7 minutes ago, asalonen said:

I plan to make up for it starting this weekend, however.

 

Wait until you realize AA is a complete joke now before passing judgement on S_O's statement then. It becomes much more hilarious in that context.

Also definitely try clubbing seals with Hosho TBs only.

 

Once you're done, please tell us again what a "reasonable" answer that is. 

[KillStealBoss]

5 hours ago, Sunleader said:

 

I would Disagree on this.

Because the premise of them being Balanced later on was obvious and anyone who bought one should have been aware of this.

 

(Tough several asked for refund AFTER the Nerf)

 

Ok, but as I said - WG wouldn't lose any money. Giving back dubloons. And everyone would be happy. 

Cause the refund normally I'd after some major change (0.8.5) and they did ask, there was pretty big thread about it if you remember.

[CptMinia]

Ya'll need to slow down on these memes, as much as I'd like to join in, this topic is for discussing the CV rework.

 

"It is time to stop."

 

Kind regards,

                        CptMinia

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Sub Octavian confirmed that subs will be coming before support CV line ☆

 

Seems like my Zuiho will be spending quite some time in the abyss of the deep blue seas :(

 

 

[CptBarney]

*huffs and puffs at toineh @CptMinia for ruining funnies*.

 

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Also i dont see why subs are coming before the support cv’s since this will literally triple the work load in terms of balancing and modelling plus coding.

 

Oh well. I want miss boooooogue bak. And yorkie to arrive. (Too bad she won’t be tier 10 doe.)

 

It makes me wonder if gunboats and frigates should make an entrance in wows, they could just branch of dd’s in general.