CV Rework Discussion

[El2aZeR]

So many myths about CVs here. Allow me to put some of them to rest.

- a CV does in fact take increased damage per tick from fires. However the percentage difference is minuscule (0,4% to 0,3% for surface ships), so in reality CVs take way less damage from a full duration fire (2% base of total HP vs 9% for cruisers/DDs and 18% for BBs). Thus to kill a CV with pure fire damage you'd need more than 50 fires

 

- dodging does not work against halfway skilled CV players nowadays. As of 0.8.7 reworked CVs have even fewer counterplay options compared to before and they never had any practical ones to begin with

 

- only bad CV players let themselves get killed by long range BB fire on a even remotely regular basis

[KillStealBoss]

6 hours ago, Sunleader said:

The Defensive AA Consumable gave it a Fat Boost to really work out against Squadrons Twice per Match.

 

This. Why you don't have SI on the commander to have 3 times Def AA instead of 2. ( Twice per match you say you have)

[Sunleader]

13 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

This. Why you don't have SI on the commander to have 3 times Def AA instead of 2. ( Twice per match you say you have)

 

I took the Fire Chance Increase.

Yubari Guns are already Pretty weak. So the extra Fire Chance at least makes it somewhat capable of doing Damage to Enemy BBs.

And given how useless the Defensive AA Consumable is now. I see even less reason to add Extra Charges to it.

[El2aZeR]

New population data is out, although that's without the impact of 0.8.7.

Reworked CVs as of 2019/08/24

HT: 990

LT: 1307

Total: 2297

 

As a reminder:

Last snapshot RTS CVs 2019/01/26

HT: 992

LT: 1228

Total: 2220

 

Yeah, buffing CVs to be ridiculously op again makes sense from WG's perspective I suppose.

 

Also just yesterday:

*see Smolensk*

*dev strike*

 

Dunno why there is such an outcry about that ship. Seems perfectly balanced to me. 

[159Hunter]

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Dunno why there is such an outcry about that ship. Seems perfectly balanced to me. 

Maybe I ought to give you the name of the Enterprise player that threw 57 planes at me. He might be able to explain what bothered him ("where he failed" would be better, but that probably requires game knowledge).

[Yosha_AtaIante]

When i make a Video where i kill a Hosho with my Midway to make CptBarney cry but he doesn't get it... all the effort... all the energy lost.

 

 

On smolensk, yeah even for Midway it's an interesting target because of it's small HP pool each successful strike makes them very mad which i like.

Takes like 3 dedicated attack runs to finish one which isn't much considering what kind of disease is removed from the enemy team.

 

Yes CVs are a cure and yall know it. Stop fighting the cure ☆♡☆

[mtm78]

Due to the aiming module Yubari ( and Katori a tier lower which has acces to the same module ) is the most accurate ship in the game. When you compare it with a Kuma, the Kuma has higher potential dpm but it depends on how well you aim. You can land those 4 shells with pinpoint dispersion. But this only counts in cruiser engagements ( or against lolibotes ). 

 

For fighting BB's the increased accuracy doesn't really do anything, so Yubari is weakly gunned to fight battleships. I understand taking DE if you're more worried about facing BB's as cruisers or well ofc if you have the points just take it anyway.

[Sink_Different]

On 8/26/2019 at 1:28 PM, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

If half of the moaners just stopped and let WG do whatever they need to without pressuring them endlessly i think the end product would also be better.

But since it's shitstorm after shitstorm by the community obviously they rush through ideas and halfwqy implementations.

 

WG should just ignore all the whiners and do their thing in peace and maybe it will all turn out better.

Then we'd still be stuck with 0.8.0 CV mechanics.

[El2aZeR]

On 8/26/2019 at 1:28 PM, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

WG should just ignore all the whiners and do their thing in peace and maybe it will all turn out better.

 

- implying WG ever listened to the community

If they had the rework would've never been released in the first place.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 7 Minuten, El2aZeR sagte:

 

- implying WG ever listened to the community

If they had the rework would've never been released in the first place.

Well, let's say they "reacted" to the community.

They attempted to fix what most complained about.

[KillStealBoss]

3 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Well, let's say they "reacted" to the community.

They attempted to fix what most complained about.

They made temporary hotfixes they were total chaos. Imho it's much better from 0.8.7 overall.

[CptBarney]

7 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Well, let's say they "reacted" to the community.

They attempted to fix what most complained about.

Not really, look at world of tanks, most of what was said and discussed on the forums was largely ignored by wargaming and outright discarded in some cases.

 

For example the T110E5 needing nerfs after a year and foch 155 and the maus plus type 4 and 5 heavies.

 

The community proposed decent and balanced ways of nerfing/buffing said vehicles. So obviously what does wargaming do? the complete opposite or just buffs/nerfs them in ways that is not only outright stupid (derp gun on type 4/5 becoming cancerous and maus having stupidly high armour when that wasn't the issue).

 

No they have no clue what they are doing, i should know since i've been playing their games for more than 6 years now.

 

British light tank tree and the go karts on world of tanks another example of how they fail at balancing.

 

Simple quality of life stuff like dismount all consumables, flags and camos STILL havent been added in since the start of the game.

 

It's like Armoured warfare but they just happen to be more popular.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 7 Minuten, MacArthur92 sagte:

They made temporary hotfixes they were total chaos. Imho it's much better from 0.8.7 overall.

They also adressed divebombers,eocket plane concerns, spotting, torpedo dmg, aa. Fighter exploit. DB exploit.

 

To say they didnt listen after rework is kind of wrong.

But they did for sure fail in their attempted fixes.

 

Hey i'm not defending them here, just saying that they would have probably had an easier time if they weren't rushing fixes to satisfy a loud and crying mob.

[CptBarney]

2 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

They also adressed divebombers,eocket plane concerns, spotting, torpedo dmg, aa. Fighter exploit. DB exploit.

 

To say they didnt listen after rework is kind of wrong.

But they did for sure fail in their attempted fixes.

 

Hey i'm not defending them here, just saying that they would have probably had an easier time if they weren't rushing fixes to satisfy a loud and crying mob.

They could of just listened to El2azer, farrah and the other top tier cv players on how to fix rts cv's, then this reeework would of never happened.

 

Now we have subs another sodding class for them to waste time over, i mean we could of just had BC's as a seperate class (I could give two less shits about 'historical accuracy' or whether the sodding things existed just as long as they are not bobjects flying around the map with insane armour values and excellent on the move accuracy.)

 

Sure they listen but only after something has happened, shame they didn't nerf the guilo and belfast for balancing sake, which in the TOS even states they can change prem items at a moments notice.

 

oh well.

 

*puts love and peace in teh cupboard*

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, CptBarney sagte:

They could of just listened to El2azer, farrah and the other top tier cv players on how to fix rts cv's, then this reeework would of never happened.

 

Now we have subs another sodding class for them to waste time over, i mean we could of just had BC's as a seperate class (I could give two less shits about 'historical accuracy' or whether the sodding things existed just as long as they are not bobjects flying around the map with insane armour values and excellent on the move accuracy.)

 

Sure they listen but only after something has happened, shame they didn't nerf the guilo and belfast for balancing sake, which in the TOS even states they can change prem items at a moments notice.

 

oh well.

 

*puts love and peace in teh cupboard*

*opens cupboard and screams in a squeaky voice

 

 

Listening =/ obeying. ☆☆♡

 

They probably did listen but they made the wrong decisions.

Btw the decision not to nerf was also made because of the community outcry ;)

Maybe that was a wrong decision too, influenced by?? The community ! ☆♡☆

 

 

 

[El2aZeR]

11 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

To say they didnt listen after rework is kind of wrong.

 

Except it is.

They only started acting once their money was in danger. Before that during testing they didn't care.

- fighter exploit was known

- spotting was known

- rocket planes were working as intended

- DB effectiveness on DDs was known

- Haku long range torp effectiveness was known

- DB exploit was not only working as intended, it was marketed as a feature

[Sunleader]

9 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Except it is.

They only started acting once their money was in danger. Before that during testing they didn't care.

- fighter exploit was known

- spotting was known

- rocket planes were working as intended

- DB effectiveness on DDs was known

- Haku long range torp effectiveness was known

- DB exploit was not only working as intended, it was marketed as a feature

 

His Point was that WG did Listen. After all they Commented and Reacted to the Feedback itself. They just didnt care and said screw you its fine. Your just ***** and have no Idea so we wont change anything :P

 

 

He aint wrong on that either to be Honest.

WG Generally Listens and even Comments Feedback.

 

Its just that usually their Comment goes along the lines of

"Yeah we know your Concerned about this. We understand that these things are worrying you. But we have run the Numbers and your Wrong so we wont change anything on our Plans"

 

And this is Generally the Response you keep getting until the Crabstorm is so out of Control that WG has to Worry about Monthly Income themselves.

At which Point WG will usually start trying to make Changes.

 

First Small Cosmetic Changes to test if they can pacify the Community without changing their Plans too much.

And only if that doesnt work they will actually start changing the Plan.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Gerade eben, CptBarney sagte:

No, Bad you betrayed El2azers honorz! RTS CV's will return! 

* screams muffled screams while angrily licking the lolipop

 

I WOULD NEVER BETRAY El2aZeR ☆☆☆

 

@El2aZeR

 

Oh so you are saying that they should have taken care of those issues when all of them were known due to the test server testing?

 

I understand what you are saying but i can also understand them wanting to see those issues play out on the live servers first as they told they would need that data first. Which is possibly a wrong decision too.

Then they also said that they can't introduce multiple changes at a time since they first need to see the effects of the previous change.

Well yes we are basically beta testers.

 

Was it really because of the money question? I don't think it was "only" because of it.

 

They reacted very late yes. And they didn't make the right decisions either.

But they did at least communicate with the community and tried "something".

 

 

[El2aZeR]

15 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

His Point was that WG did Listen.

12 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Was it really because of the money question? I don't think it was "only" because of it.

 

What they did in the end was damage control and nothing else. It has very little to do with listening or acknowledging feedback.

And now they're stuck with trying to balance something that can't be balanced.

 

And yes, it was purely due to greed. There is literally no other reasonable explanation to what they did. Everyone and their mother knew the rework was not ready for release and needed at least another 3, if not 6 months of testing.

If you have any doubts, look how fast they declared premium CVs to be ready for sale again. Or at all the lies they threw at us to justify the release and continued existence of this dumpster fire.

[mtm78]

44 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

They attempted to fix what most complained about.

 

I would think this should be a good thing..

 

20 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Except it is.

They only started acting once their money was in danger. Before that during testing they didn't care.

- fighter exploit was known

- spotting was known

- rocket planes were working as intended

- DB effectiveness on DDs was known

- Haku long range torp effectiveness was known

- DB exploit was not only working as intended, it was marketed as a feature

 

Ow wait, no they didn't listen did they?

 

I mean, the guy who introduced new CV's and had the audacity to propose to put RPF on planes should be fired and NEVER allowed to EVER MAKE BALANCE PROPOSALS EVER AGAIN. 

 

It's just ... well they pulled it.

 

And the worst STILL about REEwork is that as always, lolibotes are the one's suffering the most. 

[CptBarney]

10 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

His Point was that WG did Listen. After all they Commented and Reacted to the Feedback itself. They just didnt care and said screw you its fine. Your just ***** and have no Idea so we wont change anything :P

Dat last part was what they were going to do with NTC, obviously having raging bulges about a 30-40% better stalingrad just deleteing any poor sod it sees.

 

(makes me wonder if they would allow transformations mid game, with a cutscene that forces everyone to watch stalingrad transform into super stalingrad with a 250% boost to all stats and no drawbacks and some new features on the hull of the ship).

 

obviously the transformation as to be accompied by these songs.

 

Super stalingrad transformation.

 

Transformation complete.

 

@L0V3_and_PE4CE Ye, i don't mind the current poor mans world of warplanes version of CV's but they should of just listened to some of the top players who offered really gud suggestions on how to fix things. Almost loike they don't play their sodding game.

 

@El2aZeR Is it me or does the new autopilot sometimes seem harder to get your CV to turn around and run? Sometimes it puts a point behind my own CV and then curves the line which is highly annoying sometimes.

[Sunleader]

6 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

listening or acknowledging feedback.

 

Not what I said. But oh well Suite yourself ^^

[mtm78]

On 8/28/2019 at 8:08 AM, MacArthur92 said:

*edit*

 

The worst is that I'm SURE someone actually told 'them' at the time this was such a ludicrously idiotic proposal, and yet 'they' decided to ignore 'him'. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 14 Minuten, CptBarney sagte:

@El2aZeR Is it me or does the new autopilot sometimes seem harder to get your CV to turn around and run? Sometimes it puts a point behind my own CV and then curves the line which is highly annoying sometimes. 

I'm not El2aZeR but it has been that way even before the improvement. The autopilot will make such a turn if you are to fast and only go "backwards" if you are stopped or very slow.

 

@everyone

 

Ok you are right... i can see the light now!

I will stop shilling for WG ONCE AND FOR ALL!

 

(goodbye forever zuiho at t6 with prem cammo q_q)

 

[mcboernester]

I honestly can't see a Point anymore against bringing RTS back. Neither would it impact the player numbers, nor would it be "op" in comparison with the latest ships wg is pumping out. Still waiting for russian bias CV