CV Rework Discussion

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

16 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

I honestly don’t know if Hosho feels OP coz I’m playing it and know what I’m doing or if it’s too strong. Coz I’m also spanking other CV’s out the game. So, if it’s OP, why are they not also doing what I do? @Mr_Tayto has been regrinding ships with me and noticed that while I’m stomping, we are not being stomped back, and he’s pulling great DD games against 2/3 CV’s at that tier regularly.

 

It just feels odd at T4. I didn’t notice any CV impact in my short izokaze run, or minikaze run....

There are plenty of bad and starting CV players out there which is what you are seeing. I'm sinking other CV's in my Hosho. I am also doing fine in my DD, because I am a seasoned veteran player, but this tier is not for us or your mate. We do not belong here.

 

Also, do you even need to consider what target you attack with your Hosho? Do you ever run low on planes? Do you ever fear a DD approaching your hull or is it just a simple extra meal served? You should be able to understand how problematic the state of the Hosho is for players that just started to play this game and sail ships at tier 3 and 4 after what, 10 - 20 battles? When those players leave, we won't hear from them on this forums, they just leave silently without saying a word.

[artic_99]

Vor 3 Minuten, LemonadeWarrior sagte:

Getting insulted by a CV player. Very interesting.

Where did he insult you. He just told you the facts. Fire deals more dmg to cvs but also the duration is much shorter. He doesn't care if the duration is increased as a halfway decent cv player never gets himself in such a dump situation the enemy can he spam him. Also it would make no difference as the damage would be the same. I can't understand your argumtation at all. Also don't state that cv players are not the same as all the others just Cuz you have a personal problem with them. AA was in godmode in 8.5 and 8.6 and you didn't complaint. So that's maybe the point that you don't want a fair game but simply a game to your advantage. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

24 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Also i don't give a damn

Another lie masked by little hearts. So any new insights from you about the CV rework? Or are you just here doing what you mostly do, invigorate the thread by posting off topic hot personal insults? You're the no1 derailer of this thread mate.

 

On topic: I like the AA system change. It's better, more fun and to the point. I still think CV hulls have a massive issue.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

9 minutes ago, artic_99 said:

Fire deals more dmg to cvs but also the duration is much shorter.

I've heared this one before, but could you point me to somewhere that explains this in more detail? Because I also recall people debunking this as a myth.

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

9 minutes ago, artic_99 said:

Where did he insult you. He just told you the facts. Fire deals more dmg to cvs but also the duration is much shorter. He doesn't care if the duration is increased as a halfway decent cv player never gets himself in such a dump situation the enemy can he spam him. Also it would make no difference as the damage would be the same. I can't understand your argumtation at all. Also don't state that cv players are not the same as all the others just Cuz you have a personal problem with them. AA was in godmode in 8.5 and 8.6 and you didn't complaint. So that's maybe the point that you don't want a fair game but simply a game to your advantage. 

IMHO CV players should only be allowed in Coop, because they are fighting against a bot mechanic, so to be honest they wouldn't even notice the difference. If there was a skill counter it would be a different story. They can have fun with subs.

Yes, CV players are not the same as the others, because they are fighting pure bot mechanics. No skill involved.

 

Why would I complain when the bot class can't fight against bot mechanics? 

He tried to counter my fact with a useless fact. It is not just about fire damage, the longer the duration of a fire is, the longer a ship will have extended concealment.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 9 Minuten, LemonadeWarrior sagte:

the longer a ship will have extended concealment.

Here is you who believes it's a good thing having all the potatoes on your team chase a beacon like a burning CV and dying by rushing into a well defended position.

Never btw have i ever been on fire and spotted because of the fire. The fire is usually set by a nearby ship who spots me regardless so whats your point?

Play more CVs please.

Also i added a nice picture for you just in case you tell me i dont play surface ships.

 

@Europizza

 

The aa change is terrible it makes CV overpowered as hell and the fact that you like it shows how little you care about it all and you call me out for derailing. ♡

Yeah sure plaster me more with your brilliance. ☆

 

 

 

[artic_99]

Vor 17 Minuten, LemonadeWarrior sagte:

IMHO CV players should only be allowed in Coop, because they are fighting against a bot mechanic, so to be honest they wouldn't even notice the difference. If there was a skill counter it would be a different story. They can have fun with subs.

Yes, CV players are not the same as the others, because they are fighting pure bot mechanics. No skill involved.

 

Why would I complain when the bot class can't fight against bot mechanics? 

He tried to counter my fact with a useless fact. It is not just about fire damage, the longer the duration of a fire is, the longer a ship will have extended concealment.

Skill is dodging. It's so terrible easy to dogde cvs due to 10km concealment on planes. You basically just need to drive circles and the cv will probably miss you most times. Omg I never saw such ignorance. You are almost on the level of that potato troll dude who spammed this thread. Except for the rockets. They are indeed a brain dead undogeable mechanic. 

[artic_99]

Vor 18 Minuten, Europizza sagte:

I've heared this one before, but could you point me to somewhere that explains this in more detail? Because I also recall people debunking this as a myth.

Sorry dude. I just can tell you what I have experienced. I once shot a Kaga and put it on fire. It was I think 1.2k dmg per tick. I don't know the exact values. But perhaps it's like I discribed Cuz even on a kremilin you just get like 800 per tick. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

3 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

 

@Europizza

 

The aa change is terrible it makes CV overpowered as hell and the fact that you like it shows how little you care about it all and you call me out for derailing. ♡

Yeah sure plaster me more with your brilliance. ☆

As you've might have read in earlier posts I made, I think the CV's are not in a good place balance wise especially at the tier I am currently playing: Tier IV. But I do like the change to the AA system, as far as how players handle it goes. I actually feel engaged with aircraft fighting now, that's something.

 

Also: What happened to your forum persona, it's so nasty :o Please stop with the personal insults already will you? I'm not impressed much, and it's not helping an open discussion, if you're even after such a thing.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 7 Minuten, artic_99 sagte:

Skill is dodging. It's so terrible easy to dogde cvs due to 10km concealment on planes. You basically just need to drive circles and the cv will probably miss you most times. Omg I never saw such ignorance. You are almost on the level of that potato troll dude who spammed this thread. 

No no man. He is not trolling.

He just thinks CV players are lazy and unskilled people who want it easy. He also thinks very highly of himself so be careful how you approach him.

He says "CV player" when arguing as if it was a bad thing as in

(As a CV player you obviously would think that/ don't know that/ just want it that way).

 

We are all bad players if we play CV better then out surface ships.

 

CV discussion = talk about CVs/AA.

But it always ends up that the anti CV crowd obviously knows it all better which is usually untrue q_q

 

@Europizza

 

Quote the insult please.

 

Also you feel engaged pressing ONE button. GG dude. Whatever

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

2 minutes ago, artic_99 said:

Sorry dude. I just can tell you what I have experienced. I once shot a Kaga and put it on fire. It was I think 1.2k dmg per tick. I don't know the exact values. But perhaps it's like I discribed Cuz even on a kremilin you just get like 800 per tick. 

Thanks for your clarification. In that case, my experience is that it is ridiculously hard to kill a CV in most DD's by HE shells and fire damage. Almost never happens. So I have to consider this an myth that keeps popping up every now and then.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Gerade eben, Europizza sagte:

Thanks for your clarification. In that case, my experience is that it is ridiculously hard to kill a CV in most DD's by HE shells and fire damage. Almost never happens. So I have to consider this an myth that keeps popping up every now and then.

Must be a myth, we CV players with 500+ battles since rework can't possibly know >_< i'm so sorry ☆♡☆

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

@L0V3_and_PE4CE Wait a minute, do you consider me 'anti CV crowd'? 

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

5 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Here is you who believes it's a good thing having all the potatoes on your team chase a beacon like a burning CV and dying by rushing into a well defended position.

Never btw have i ever been on fire and spotted because of the fire. The fire is usually set by a nearby ship who spots me regardless so whats your point?

Play more CVs please.

Also i added a nice picture for you just in case you tell me i dont play surface ships.

Because I feel pathetic and boring like hell when I play CVs...

 

7 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

No no man. He is not trolling.

He just thinks CV players are lazy and unskilled people who want it easy. He also thinks very highly of himself so be careful how you approach him.

He says "CV player" when arguing as if it was a bad thing as in

(As a CV player you obviously would think that/ don't know that/ just want it that way).

 

We are all bad players if we play CV better then out surface ships.

 

CV discussion = talk about CVs/AA.

But it always ends up that the anti CV crowd obviously knows it all better which is usually untrue q_q

CV players are a bad thing to this game, didn't you realise? Yes, CV players are lazy and unskilled. You are starting to understand.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 3 Minuten, Europizza sagte:

@L0V3_and_PE4CE Wait a minute, do you consider me 'anti CV crowd'? 

No i consider you being a funny guy who sometimes goes around and says funny things ♡

[KillStealBoss]

12 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Must be a myth, we CV players with 500+ battles since rework can't possibly know >_< i'm so sorry ☆♡☆

Me 1700 after rework  

I guess @El2aZeR played even more after rework

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Gerade eben, MacArthur92 sagte:

Me 1700 after rework  

I guess @El2aZeR played even more after rework

So do you know about the fire thingy????

I guess even if you do it's a myth..

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

17 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Must be a myth, we CV players with 500+ battles since rework can't possibly know >_< i'm so sorry ☆♡☆

Ah so I'm assuming from your attempt to sarcasm, that you are regularly killed by fire damage when sailing a CV or kill CV's by fire damage regularly when engaging one? Or is that a false assumption? If so, what's the point of this answer?

[artic_99]

Vor 18 Minuten, Europizza sagte:

Thanks for your clarification. In that case, my experience is that it is ridiculously hard to kill a CV in most DD's by HE shells and fire damage. Almost never happens. So I have to consider this an myth that keeps popping up every now and then.

Okay:) but tbh the only dd's capable killing a CV due to guns are the Russians and the Japanese gunboats. If you are a cruiser you can kill a CV quite easily. But hey everyone can have his own opionion :) 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, Europizza sagte:

Ah so I'm assuming from your attempt to sarcasm, that you are regularly killed by fire damage when sailing a CV or kill CV's by fire damage regularly when engaging one? Or is that a false assumption? If so, what's the point of this answer?

If you look at my CV stats would that be the right thing to assume? ☆♡☆

[KillStealBoss]

7 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

So do you know about the fire thingy????

I guess even if you do it's a myth..

 

I don’t know. It’s lasting so short that it’s irrelevant. 

[KillStealBoss]

@Europizza @L0V3_and_PE4CE Why you are arguing about this? Fire lasts on cv so short that it doesn’t matter so much, flooding is much more dangerous for cv.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Gerade eben, MacArthur92 sagte:

@Europizza @L0V3_and_PE4CE Why you are arguing about this? Fire lasts on cv so short that it doesn’t matter so much, flooding is much more dangerous for cv.

I'm arguing because it's fun and i'm bored a bit.

Also i wanted to see how far this argument will stretch but now you asked this all ending question you basically killed it.

[KillStealBoss]

4 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I'm arguing because it's fun and i'm bored a bit.

Also i wanted to see how far this argument will stretch but now you asked this all ending question you basically killed it.

Yeah. Cause it’ll go only one way. 2 days ago on PL forum I was close to be banned on forum, same as the other guy. Havoc gave us a chance and deleted the posts. I don’t thinks moderators here will be like him. Better not to get into insults and personal attacks.

 

Back to topic. They also made that fire short duration so the cv won’t get a bigger spotting circle for so long (fire extends spotting) . 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, MacArthur92 sagte:

(fire extends spotting)

Which is terrible and is the same reason why i avoid spotting the enemy CV foe to long with my planes. My team suicides into the enemy trying to kill a spotted CV