CV Rework Discussion

[Filipin00]

32 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Yes you Can lol.

Its called Spotting and Waiting.

Ugh....sir....you have no idea what kind of teams I get in 3/4 of all matches.

I admit, I am a n00b. I am one of the biggest n00bs in WoWS. And I'm not ashamed of that, I have less than 1k battles I believe and haven't even reached tier 9 ships yet, highest I've reached is Bismarck and Shokaku but that's max.

 

But when a player like me, a n00b player, ends up first or at least in top 4 players in a team by....everything I guess lol, you can't see damage and stuff like in WoT, by base exp I guess, you'd be headbanging against the wall like me too.

 

Most of the teams I get are ! I lose so many battles, not because I haven't been doing anything, but because I had to do everything myself! And that's why I kind of despise playing carriers now, because if you don't drive an actual surface ships you can't expect doing anything meaningful or influential to the outcome of a battle. Everyone expects a CV player to be some kind of Zeus striking enemies with thunder and insta killing them or whatever. People are stupid, rush, die, do nothing, expect carrier to win a fight alone vs half of enemy team if not more and then "CV noob" "CV idiot"

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 2 Stunden, Filipin00 sagte:

Everyone expects a CV player to be some kind of Zeus striking enemies with thunder and insta killing them or whatever. People are stupid, rush, die, do nothing, expect carrier to win a fight alone vs half of enemy team if not more and then "CV noob" "CV idiot"

This is true. Most overestimate the power of a CV.

I can't magically stop a push of a BB who is escorted by 2 cruisers in open water. I also can't go for a lone Yamato which has fighter planes + the enemy CV ensurong to drop fighter planes every damn time i make an effort to strike it.

The last games i played in Midway were both losses. One game i did 260k dmg. The other i did 180k dmg.

Doing damage is not the issue but impacting the game became far harder.

[Filipin00]

2 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

This is true. Most overestimate the power of a CV.

I can't magically stop a push of a BB who is escorted by 2 cruisers in open water. I also can't go for a lone Yamato which has fighter planes + the enemy CV ensurong to drop fighter planes every damn time i make an effort to strike it.

The last games i played in Midway were both losses. One game i did 260k dmg. The other i did 180k dmg.

Doing damage is not the issue but impacting the game became far harder.

^^This

And now imagine the same scenario but with a tier 8 CV, with which I mostly play. Haven't researched Haku yet since I despise shokaku for some reason

Started enjoying surface ships way more than CVs in general...

[B051LjKo]

2 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

This is true. Most overestimate the power of a CV.

Not really, it is obvious to anyone that they are OP beyond belief. The fact that they make in average 40 - 50% less damage then the best ranked BB is the living proof of it.

2 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I can't magically stop a push of a BB who is escorted by 2 cruisers in open water. I also can't go for a lone Yamato which has fighter planes + the enemy CV ensurong to drop fighter planes every damn time i make an effort to strike it.

Not right now, due to balancing stil in progress, but after a few more nerf that place CVs where they should be you should be OK

2 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

The last games i played in Midway were both losses. One game i did 260k dmg. The other i did 180k dmg.

Doing damage is not the issue but impacting the game became far harder.

Nothing wrong there, CV should not impact the game, they are a support class anyway

[B051LjKo]

1 minute ago, Filipin00 said:

^^This

And now imagine the same scenario but with a tier 8 CV, with which I mostly play. Haven't researched Haku yet since I despise shokaku for some reason

Started enjoying surface ships way more than CVs in general...

Well, I think with the much needed nerfs, people will stop whining against CVs, as the population will decline to < 3 % levels, so it will be more of an exotic opportunity to see one in battle, than constantly being harassed by one.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 7 Minuten, B051LjKo sagte:

Not really, it is obvious to anyone that they are OP beyond belief. The fact that they make in average 40 - 50% less damage then the best ranked BB is the living proof of it

I didn't say CV weren't op.

What i said is people in random battle overestimate their power.

I can't just delete a BB that is escorted by cruisers by snapping my finger.

I can effectively punish lone ships if they are unsupported and make DD lives hell and that's about it.

 

The Enterprise still has the ability to affect the game outcome as is the hakuryo but dot reliant CVs like midway and audacious have no chance to carry if your team is crap. Because you can't kill targets fast enough in them.

 

[B051LjKo]

Just now, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I didn't say CV weren't op.

What i said is people in random battle overestimate their power.

I can't just delete a BB that is escorted by cruisers by snapping my finger.

how do you mean you can not? You are like a Wooster with 40 km range. Yo ujust keep sending one attack after the other one, attacking every 30 seconds, until they are sunk. You have infinite plane supply anyway, planes never stop to respawn.

Just now, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I can effectively punish lone ships if they are unsupported and make DD lives hell and that's about it.

No, vs lone ships is sealclubbing, nothing they can do against you.

Just now, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

The Enterprise still has the ability to affect the game outcome as is the hakuryo but dot reliant CVs like midway and audacious have no chance to carry if your team is crap. Because you can't kill targets fast enough in them.

Hakuryu was the POS last time I've played it. 4 tor p option is a joke, 2 torp option will work even less with the decrease of the maximum attach runs, and AP bombs work well only BBs. Useless against DDs, and cruisers can usually dodge more than 1 citadel.

[COPlUM]

Came back to the game after a two year break, I have fun in games without CV's, sometimes have fun in games with one CV on either side, haven't been in and don't expect to ever see a fun game with 4 CV's.

My ships are :

-German mid tier CA's, they do fine in CV games.
-American mid tier BB's, they are torpedo food for CVs, sometimes I got so many torps coming at me from so many directions I can't see them all on a 2K monitor.

-Russian mid tier DD's, mid tier DD's really are completely ruined, there's literally nothing you can do in a low tier DD playing a CV match :
You can't cap, planes will either kill you or spot you and have everyone target you.

You can't spot, everything is instantly and permanently spotted, I've been playing for a week now, zero rewards for spotting in DD's playing CV games.

I'm being told that as a DD in a CV match, I should stick with my cruisers, so basically I'm being told to play sailing simulator because I can't shoot from that range.

 

In mid tier american BB's I play CV matches but I don't enjoy them, in mid tier DD's - I simply don't play matches against 2X CV's, I have a second monitor, I can watch youtube for fifteen minutes no problem.

 

The game is better than it was when I left but this CV rework has completely crushed DD's, I see no point in playing them in a CV game. Playing DD's is dumb if everyone is instantly and permanently spotted, they serve no purpose. I'll continue to play the game but if I'm DD in a CV match, i'll AFK in a corner or yolo in and kill myself, at least until someone tells me what my job is in these matches, so far nobody knows. I literally ask teammates "hey what's my job here" and they tell me to hug a corner or die quick.

[Sunleader]

2 hours ago, Filipin00 said:

Ugh....sir....you have no idea what kind of teams I get in 3/4 of all matches.

I admit, I am a n00b. I am one of the biggest n00bs in WoWS. And I'm not ashamed of that, I have less than 1k battles I believe and haven't even reached tier 9 ships yet, highest I've reached is Bismarck and Shokaku but that's max.

 

But when a player like me, a n00b player, ends up first or at least in top 4 players in a team by....everything I guess lol, you can't see damage and stuff like in WoT, by base exp I guess, you'd be headbanging against the wall like me too.

 

Most of the teams I get are ! I lose so many battles, not because I haven't been doing anything, but because I had to do everything myself! And that's why I kind of despise playing carriers now, because if you don't drive an actual surface ships you can't expect doing anything meaningful or influential to the outcome of a battle. Everyone expects a CV player to be some kind of Zeus striking enemies with thunder and insta killing them or whatever. People are stupid, rush, die, do nothing, expect carrier to win a fight alone vs half of enemy team if not more and then "CV noob" "CV idiot"

 

Then dont take this Offensively.

But Mate. I am an Average Potato. And Obviously I can get around with CVs just Fine.

If you yourself say your a Noob. Then I am Sorry. But this is a PvP Game. Your not Supposed to constantly Win over other Players which are more Skilled than you.

Yet. I will be making this Clear. CVs are Currently very Powerful. And are Capable of Rising the Persons Performance Ridiculously beyond his usual Skills.

 

Now I wont try to say that me having Decent Stats in CVs compared to my Average and even below Average Stats in other Ships. Is only from CVs being Overpowered.

I am a Strategy Player not an Action Player. So CVs are matching my own Skillset far better than other Ships.

 

But the Fact is also that CVs can very Easily Overcome any other Ship in the Game including T10 Ones.

And I am fully aware that my Bad Winratio and Bad Performance in other Ships is not due to some Cheat or something. But because I make Mistakes.

Of course I also get the Occassional Noobteam where I Perform Admirably and manage to Push back the Entire Enemy Flank alone despite being Outnumbered 5 to 1 while my Lemming Train Team which all went to the other Flank manages to get themselves Deleted by the remaining 7 Enemy Ships.

But thats just Life. And it happens to all of us. Unless your Good enough to Carry the Team alone. You are part of that Team and thus are also Part of that Defeat. :P

 

But Long Story Short.

CVs are not meant to be a Noobweapon that just allows People without any Skills to Win Games and Roflstomp other more Skilled Players.

And with 0.8.5 they have just been barely bought down from that Position. Because before 0.8.5 they were just that.

An Noobweapon Capable of Decimating Enemy Fleets all alone even when the Player behind them was actually far less Skilled than the Enemy.

And many Battles WERE in Fact Decided by the CV.

Not by his Damage or by his Ability to Prevent Low HP Ships from Retreating and Recovering. These are Importand but they are not Game Deciding.

But by their Ability to Spoil Enemy Sneak Attacks from DDs and Force Enemies into the Open or allow their Team to See Enemies that are behind Islands etc etc.

 

Many Players Overestimate CVs in terms of the Threat they pose to the Team in term of Dealing Damage.

A CV wont Defeat an Enemy Team alone.

But not just many Players but even the vast majority of CV Players vastly underestimates a CVs Power and Influence on the Battles Outcome.

9 out of 10 CV Players in this Topic that Complain about CVs not being Strong enough or trying to say they aint Strong etc etc.

Only look at the Damage Output. The Average Damage, The Damage per Strike, The Damage they themselves manage to cause in a Match.

They basicly Expect to be the Biggest Damage Dealer in the Game. And if they dont they Cry that they are Underpowered.  They dont even Realize that they are already the most Powerful Class in a ton of other Aspects.

(Well or in some cases they also maybe Ignore it on purpose because they want to stay overpowered)

 

Sorry Mate. But you cant have Everything. And the Fact that CVs are the Class which has the Largest Influence on a Battles Outcome despite usually being the Class with the lowest Membercount per Team.

Has not Changed with 0.8.5 at all.

 

22 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I didn't say CV weren't op.

What i said is people in random battle overestimate their power.

I can't just delete a BB that is escorted by cruisers by snapping my finger.

I can effectively punish lone ships if they are unsupported and make DD lives hell and that's about it.

 

The Enterprise still has the ability to affect the game outcome as is the hakuryo but dot reliant CVs like midway and audacious have no chance to carry if your team is crap. Because you can't kill targets fast enough in them.

 

 

Most Ships cant Carry if a Team is Crab. So I am not really seeing that as a Problem

 

Also. Why cant you go for a lone Yama that has Fighter Planes ?

I usually just Ignore Fighters. Its simply a Squad that will only Drop Once.

After that the Fighters are gone and the next Squad will Drop Twice again.

 

This is a Part I dont Understand at all to be Honest.

Even with GZ I often have 120 Losses of Aircraft by the end of the Battle.

With Kaga losing 150 Planes in a T10 Match is completely Normal.

But its not like this keeps me out of the Game.

Aircraft Losses are just as Inevitable as HP losses in a BB.

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 23 Minuten, B051LjKo sagte:

how do you mean you can not? You are like a Wooster with 40 km range. Yo ujust keep sending one attack after the other one, attacking every 30 seconds, until they are sunk. You have infinite plane supply anyway, planes never stop to respawn.

No, vs lone ships is sealclubbing, nothing they can do against you.

Hakuryu was the POS last time I've played it. 4 tor p option is a joke, 2 torp option will work even less with the decrease of the maximum attach runs, and AP bombs work well only BBs. Useless against DDs, and cruisers can usually dodge more than 1 citadel.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about my friend.

Please excuse me if i ignore your posts from now on.

"Just keep sending"

Yeah sure.

 

@Sunleader

I can go after a Yama with a fighter but not if the CV is supporting him with his own fighters too.

It's often not worth sacrificing that many planes to maybe do 40k damage to a Yamato of which 20k will be healed back.

I would always go for it if unsupported however. It takes at least 5 minutes and alot of planelosses to kill a full life BB without support from your own team. Sometimes that amount of time and thr planes needed for that need to be invested elsewhere to get the match back into your favor.

 

[COPlUM]

28 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I can --- and make DD lives hell and that's about it.

Don't u think that's a bit of an issue? There's 3 classes of ships in the game, one of those 3 classes serves no purpose whatsoever in a battle with CV's, or you know, to use your words, it's hell. I've been asking people nicely what my job is in a T5 DD vs 2X CV's. I can't spot, I can't hide, I can't cap. As a CV player, can you tell me what my job is in a low tier DD against you? Do you ever see DD's do anything besides trying desperately to get away from your planes? People think I'm spreading salt asking this, I'm not, I literally don't know what to do in these battles xP

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, NikolayKuznetsov sagte:

Don't u think that's a bit of an issue? There's 3 classes of ships in the game, one of those 3 classes serves no purpose whatsoever in a battle with CV's, or you know, to use your words, it's hell. I've been asking people nicely what my job is in a T5 DD vs 2X CV's. I can't spot, I can't hide, I can't cap. As a CV player, can you tell me what my job is in a low tier DD against you? Do you ever see DD's do anything besides trying desperately to get away from your planes? People think I'm spreading salt asking this, I'm not, I literally don't know what to do in these battles xP

No it's not an issue because if i'm the DD and the enemy CV goes for me he will never do that mistake again.

You can make a CVs life miserable if you know how to make yourself an annoying target.

Play CV to understand how to play DD against CVs. There are alot of options on how you can waste the CVs time and make his team hate him alot.

As soon as he leaves you alone because you are annoying to strike all hell breaks lose on the flank that demands him to spot you and to kill you.

 

One could say i haven't met a good CV player on the enemy team yet but that just proves the point that if you know what you are doing in a DD a CV will not be able to do much but waste his time.

I wonder however what would happen if i had to play against myself as CV on the enemy team.

 

Btw my record on planekills in my shima is over 35 in a ranked battle.

[COPlUM]

1 minute ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

No it's not an issue because if i'm the DD and the enemy CV goes for me he will never do that mistake again.

You can make a CVs life miserable if you know how to make yourself an annoying target.

Play CV to understand how to play DD against CVs. There are alot of options on how you can waste the CVs time and make his team hate him alot.

As soon as he leaves you alone because you are annoying to strike all hell breaks lose on the flank that demands him to spot you and to kill you.

 

One could say i haven't met a good CV player on the enemy team yet but that just proves the point that if you know what you are doing in a DD a CV will not be able to do much but waste his time.

I wonder however what would happen if i had to play against myself as CV on the enemy team.

 

Btw my record on planekills in my shima is over 35 in a ranked battle.

So run around like a maniac, dodge the planes until the CV player is basically bored of chasing me?
Sounds OK but wont I get bombed to crap by enemy ships doing that, because i am perma spotted?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 16 Minuten, NikolayKuznetsov sagte:

So run around like a maniac, dodge the planes until the CV player is basically bored of chasing me?
Sounds OK but wont I get bombed to crap by enemy ships doing that, because i am perma spotted?

If you know that there is a CV on the enemy team then you have to play so that you are always able to disengage if the threat of being spotted anytime arises.

You have to consider:

*Have i been spotted yet?

If yes, how likely is the chance of the CV coming back for me/am i going to be in enemy gun ranges if spotted/ is my smoke on cooldown?

If no, stay unspotted and don't announce yourself by missing torprs, torp only if sure they will hit.

If unspotted don't just wander into the cap early game because it announces your position and the whole enemy team is ready to shoot you. Stay patient and take the opportunity to cap at another point in the game.

 

If the CV spotted your position at the start of the game go the opposite way you intended to.

The CV will eventually search for your last heading while you are on the other side of the map resetting your position basically.

Once the enemy CV found a rythm or place he likes to strike at you are free to do whatever you want on the other flank until his team asks him to find you, recognise that behavior early and make it hard for him to spot you. Think ahead of where he would be searching for you. If you missed torps the direction of the torps gave your position away? Move to another angle or turn around so the CV wastes time on the initial search.

 

Stay out of radar as much as possible. Radar announces your position to the CV and if you are on an established flank about to torp some BBs the radar revealing you wont only scare them away but summon the CV to find you.

 

Basically it's a "git gud or stop moaning" kind of thing.

DDs with CVs in the game require alot of thought and great decisionmaking to be effective. Your mistakes will be punished and that's that.

 

But you can do quite a few things to make the CV go away if he decides to absolutely focus you. Mainly dodging rockets which is possible with the right angling and steering, hiding in smoke and baiting the rocket planes back to the smoke by showing yourself to the dropped fighter planes to waste the CVs time.

Every second you take away of the CVs attention from striking your team a apotting your team is an advantage for your team.

You are still in the game on that flank in that smoke and potentially going to be free from CV spotting if he gives in while he is doing nothing circling your smoke for 2 minutes doing nothing but waiting.

 

The difference is that you are a presence inside and outside the smoke while he is uselss circling your smoke.

 

[Sunleader]

20 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

You clearly don't know what you are talking about my friend.

Please excuse me if i ignore your posts from now on.

"Just keep sending"

Yeah sure.

 

@Sunleader

I can go after a Yama with a fighter but not if the CV is supporting him with his own fighters too.

It's often not worth sacrificing that many planes to maybe do 40k damage to a Yamato of which 20k will be healed back.

I would always go for it if unsupported however. It takes at least 5 minutes and alot of planelosses to kill a full life BB without support from your own team. Sometimes that amount of time and thr planes needed for that need to be invested elsewhere to get the match back into your favor.

 

 

Well. This is the Importand Difference I guess.

I am by far not a Good enough Player to Carry a Team alone in ANY Ship.

So I never Count without my Team. I try to make my Team Work whenever I can.

Giving them the Chances and Support so they can Deal Out on the Enemy.

 

For Example. If the Enemy CV is in Range of my Team. I will Fly there with my Squadron. But I will not Attack the Enemy CV.

Because his AA and Automatic Fighters would Deplete my Squadron and then he would go Unspotted again.

Instead I simply stay around there. And in most cases my Team will be Smart enough to Change Targets to the CV and take him out of the Match.

 

A Game with a 12 vs 12 Team Match. Is not Supposed to be Won by 1 Person/Ship.

And I will make Life Hell for ANY Ship on the Enemy Team.

Not just DDs.

But not because I deal so much Damage to them. Its because I force them into Situations that are Incredible Bad for them.

 

Going back to the Yamato Example. This is why I like the 4x Torpedo Launch. They are Great to make BBs or Cruisers Change Course.

And Yamatos are a Prime Example of Ships whose Lifes I can Ruin entirely. Because the Incredible Powerful Yamato Bowtanking my Team while dishing out.

Can be Forced to Move its Broadside to my Team because otherwise he will Keep Eating Salvos of 4x9k Torpedoes or Triple Citadels from my DBs.

Even a Yamato cant Tank this for Long.

 

No Class should be able to Regularily Carry a Match alone.

 

 

12 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

No it's not an issue because if i'm the DD and the enemy CV goes for me he will never do that mistake again.

You can make a CVs life miserable if you know how to make yourself an annoying target.

Play CV to understand how to play DD against CVs. There are alot of options on how you can waste the CVs time and make his team hate him alot.

As soon as he leaves you alone because you are annoying to strike all hell breaks lose on the flank that demands him to spot you and to kill you.

 

One could say i haven't met a good CV player on the enemy team yet but that just proves the point that if you know what you are doing in a DD a CV will not be able to do much but waste his time.

I wonder however what would happen if i had to play against myself as CV on the enemy team.

 

Btw my record on planekills in my shima is over 35 in a ranked battle.

 

Depends. If a DD Runs away I usually just Stop Attacking him.

If he wants to do anything to my Team has has to Come back anyways meaning I can Attack him then again.

If he doesnt Come back he is no Threat and can be Left alone till later.

 

I will Regularily Ignore my Teams Complains and Demands on Spotting DDs as well if that DD is not close enough to pose a Credible Threat currently.

 

Especially in Early Game I will usually Focus Cruisers as they pose the Biggest Threat to my Team going Forward.

And Strike BBs in between when I cant reach any other Good Targets.

I will often not even Strike at DDs unless I got no other Targets or they are Dangerously Close to my Teams BBs. And instead just Drop Fighters closeby.

Because once their Position is Known to my Team. Their Threat is Limited and other Ships are a far bigger Priority.

[B051LjKo]

41 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

But not just many Players but even the vast majority of CV Players vastly underestimates a CVs Power and Influence on the Battles Outcome.

9 out of 10 CV Players in this Topic that Complain about CVs not being Strong enough or trying to say they aint Strong etc etc.

Only look at the Damage Output. The Average Damage, The Damage per Strike, The Damage they themselves manage to cause in a Match.

They basicly Expect to be the Biggest Damage Dealer in the Game. And if they dont they Cry that they are Underpowered.  They dont even Realize that they are already the most Powerful Class in a ton of other Aspects.

You've said it all here. Really hit the essence. The CVs have by far the greatest impact on the game For example, when Bourgogne averages 130K of damage, that may seem a lot, but that is mostly useless burst AP damage with little or no influence on the game outcome. Similar with Conquerer and his 100K+ of mostly useless and fully healable fire damage.

 

But fire damage from Midway really hurts, it burn, and burns. 80K midway is averaging after the last patch is just way to much considering the CV player takes no risk at all. Those 80K are often crucial for the outcome of the match, even when you lead a bunch of potatos.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Gerade eben, B051LjKo sagte:

Those 80K

Are you sure about that?

Stop spreading misinformation.

[B051LjKo]

47 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

This is a Part I dont Understand at all to be Honest.

Even with GZ I often have 120 Losses of Aircraft by the end of the Battle.

With Kaga losing 150 Planes in a T10 Match is completely Normal.

But its not like this keeps me out of the Game.

Aircraft Losses are just as Inevitable as HP losses in a BB.

+1 for this one. I dont have the Kaga, but I do have Saipan, and it is perfectly OK to lose 80 - 90 planes per game . That is normal, it is not like keeping you out of the game.

[COPlUM]

29 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

If you know that there is a CV on the enemy team then you have to play so that you are always able to disengage if the threat of being spotted anytime arises.

You have to consider:

*Have i been spotted yet?

If yes, how likely is the chance of the CV coming back for me/am i going to be in enemy gun ranges if spotted/ is my smoke on cooldown?

If no, stay unspotted and don't announce yourself by missing torprs, torp only if sure they will hit.

If unspotted don't just wander into the cap early game because it announces your position and the whole enemy team is ready to shoot you. Stay patient and take the opportunity to cap at another point in the game.

 

If the CV spotted your position at the start of the game go the opposite way you intended to.

The CV will eventually search for your last heading while you are on the other side of the map resetting your position basically.

Once the enemy CV found a rythm or place he likes to strike at you are free to do whatever you want on the other flank until his team asks him to find you, recognise that behavior early and make it hard for him to spot you. Think ahead of where he would be searching for you. If you missed torps the direction of the torps gave your position away? Move to another angle or turn around so the CV wastes time on the initial search.

 

Stay out of radar as much as possible. Radar announces your position to the CV and if you are on an established flank about to torp some BBs the radar revealing you wont only scare them away but summon the CV to find you.

 

Basically it's a "git gud or stop moaning" kind of thing.

DDs with CVs in the game require alot of thought and great decisionmaking to be effective. Your mistakes will be punished and that's that.

 

But you can do quite a few things to make the CV go away if he decides to absolutely focus you. Mainly dodging rockets which is possible with the right angling and steering, hiding in smoke and baiting the rocket planes back to the smoke by showing yourself to the dropped fighter planes to waste the CVs time.

Every second you take away of the CVs attention from striking your team a apotting your team is an advantage for your team.

You are still in the game on that flank in that smoke and potentially going to be free from CV spotting if he gives in while he is doing nothing circling your smoke for 2 minutes doing nothing but waiting.

 

The difference is that you are a presence inside and outside the smoke while he is uselss circling your smoke.

 

Some of this was actually kinda helpful after 2 games, thank you. Although I have a feeling some of your advice doesn't apply to the low tiers I'm in. T4 and T6 CV's don't seem to *value* their time, i've had them chase me with planes literally the entire match. So who is really wasting the other player's time then, he's initiating this waste of time, his time was wasted but I was also effectively disabled one entire match with no counter play.
I assume T8 & T10 CV's understand they're far more helpful not chasing a DD for fifteen minutes, but in T4 & T6 that's exactly what they do. Technically I am helping my team by keeping an enemy CV occupied for an entire match, but RIP my rewards, there are none.

[B051LjKo]

13 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Are you sure about that?

Stop spreading misinformation.

Yes I am sure about that, andI am not spreading false information It is not that ifficult to check the data on wows numbers.

 

It is clear that Midway with its 79 622 average damage and 47,6 % win rate is outperforming all Tier X BBs. Bourgogne is sitting at 59.59% winrate, and only 123 735 of useless burst AP damage Just tu highlight how inferior BBs are to CVs in new meta and general game impact.

[CaptainOkita]

35 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

You've said it all here. Really hit the essence. The CVs have by far the greatest impact on the game For example, when Bourgogne averages 130K of damage, that may seem a lot, but that is mostly useless burst AP damage with little or no influence on the game outcome. Similar with Conquerer and his 100K+ of mostly useless and fully healable fire damage.

 

But fire damage from Midway really hurts, it burn, and burns. 80K midway is averaging after the last patch is just way to much considering the CV player takes no risk at all. Those 80K are often crucial for the outcome of the match, even when you lead a bunch of potatos.

 

Everything you just said has to be the most illogical diatribe i read today sans the NTC. 130k dmg bourg is a potato  among spuds but one that got off at least 1 kill and can continue to kill even near death. 80k midway has mildly annoyed several enemy ships while reduced to a moving cit me box with no damage potential since he's assured massive plane losses. No its not the same you can dmg con a turret or wait for it heal faster than a squad recovery. Action CV is annoying ill give you that but this came after people bitched about rts cv burst. (which could be deplaned for good as no regen.)

[CptBarney]

Well R.I.P wows.

 

cheerio ladz.

[Sunleader]

With NTC Announced this Topic is suddenly entirely irrelevant....

 

Who tought WG would find something that could get the Community even more up in arms than the CV Rework...

[artic_99]

Vor 7 Stunden, NikolayKuznetsov sagte:

Don't u think that's a bit of an issue? There's 3 classes of ships in the game, one of those 3 classes serves no purpose whatsoever in a battle with CV's, or you know, to use your words, it's hell. I've been asking people nicely what my job is in a T5 DD vs 2X CV's. I can't spot, I can't hide, I can't cap. As a CV player, can you tell me what my job is in a low tier DD against you? Do you ever see DD's do anything besides trying desperately to get away from your planes? People think I'm spreading salt asking this, I'm not, I literally don't know what to do in these battles xP

Depending on the dd you are playing I would suggest play with the p button. There are some DDs with quite decent aa. I killed 27 planes in Monaghan at t6 for example. I even killed 11 planes in my Shira. (it literally has no aa) you  just need to use the sector reinforcement and try to dogde attacks. For rockets just drive into the direction he comes from mostly the drop will miss. Torpedos simply torp beat and bombs well a bomb hit is pure luck anyway on a dd. And btw if you disable aa you get spottet around 2 km by a plane. Only if you are spottet you enable aa and then you need to think from situation to situation. How many hp have those planes left? Is it worth it sacrificing a few hp for a plane kill? I hope I could give you some suggestions that may help you:) 

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

With NTC Announced this Topic is suddenly entirely irrelevant....

 

Feels like a diversion strategy, doesn't it?