CV Rework Discussion

[HaachamaShipping]

30 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

I Disagree.

I am not saying you have to take my Answer as Replacement for his. You are Free to wait for his Answer.

But you make an Inquiry in a Public Forum. This Implies to others that your Question has a meaning to the Argument itself. And while I am not the Person in Question. I do stand on the Side Opposing yours. And thus I am Prompted to Answer Points you make in the Argument.

 

If you wanted to Pose this as a Purely Personal Inquiry without any argumentative meaning to the CV Rework Topic. But merely out of Interest in the other Persons Personal Response or Opinion on the Matter.

And thus, this not leading to any kind of Argument for your Side in this Argument. Then this is a different thing of course.

In that case I Apologize for wasting your Time. As I didnt plan to Interfere with a Personal Conversation between the two of you. (Albeit I would then think it might be better to take it in Private Messages instead of an Discussion Forum)

But you made no Implication that it is this kind of Personal Question. And as Such I have to assume that your Question to him is in fact the attempt to Score a Point in the Argument :)

It's an inquiry on the personal definition of "helpless" related to the overall argument, the clarification a prerequisite to properly respond to the argument, not potentially go off on a detour due to misinterpretation. So, no, it's neither for PM (just alone because it might clarify the matter also for others) nor is it something random folks can properly respond to. Which I did not think I would need to point out, as I would have thought people would get that due to the nature of the question and some logical thought, but then again, this is the WoWS boards. My expectations might have been a bit too high.

[Sunleader]

24 minutes ago, Filipin00 said:

You know what? All this time I was hating WoT because of their same or even worse game mechanics, OP tanks and stuff like that.....

But you know what? AT LEAST WEAK PREMIUM TANKS LIKE IS-6, 112, SUPER PERSHING, JAGDTIGER 8,8 CM AND SUCH HAVE PREFERENTIAL MATCHMAKING!!!!

 

Those tanks were made in the beginning, designed to be in the middle, better than their stock state tech tree counterparts but worse than top state tech tree counterparts.

They had some features that would made them underperforming if put in +2 matchmaker and so they got preferential matchmaking(e.g. IS-6 soviet tier 8 heavy tank gets to see only +1 tier, no tiers 10 because its gun is too weak, even with premium ammo + they got buffed significantly recently, ALL preferentials)

 

I don't see the reason why that wouldn't be made for at least (some) premium ships in WoWS...

Tier 4 CVs don't get to see tiers 6 and they're not even premium, but tech tree regular ones rofl

 

Why make tier 4 CVs have preferential matchmaking, but not tier 6 and 8? I smell here.

 

 

 

 

Well. Thats because Premiums in WoT have a very Different Doctrine.

They are always WEAKER than their Normal Techtree Counterparts.

In WoWs the Premium Ships are almost always STRONGER than their Normal Techtree Counterparts.

 

In WoT the Standard for Premium Tanks. Is that they are more alike to the Stock Techtree Ship and usually come with some Bonus that the Techtree Ship cant have.

But in WoWs the Standard for Premium Ship. Is that they are more alike to the Fully Upgraded Techtree Ship but still get the Bonus that a Techtree Ship cant have.

 

For example.

If the Tirpitz was made According to the WoT Doctrine of Premium Vehicles. It would not have the 70k HP from the Bismarcks Upgraded Hull. But the 65k from the Stock Hull. It would likely come with the 19km Range Stock Fire Control as well.

In Exchange it would get Torpedoes and only be able to get into T9 Matches Max.

 

But this is not the case in WoWs. The Tirpitz gets the Fully Upgraded Specs of the Bismarck. And in Addition gets Torpedoes anyways.

Instead Premium Ships in WoWs are usually Balanced by another Nerf. For example. Tirpitz does not get Hydro and has weaker AA than Bismarck.

 

 

If you made Premium CVs like that.

You would likely get the T7 Planes like Kaga. But not with the Increased Reserves.

You would Simply get T7 Planes and the same Reserves as the other T8 CVs with their T8 Planes.

In Exchange you would only see T9 Matches. But I dont think it would be that Preferential really.

 

5 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

It's an inquiry on the personal definition of "helpless" related to the overall argument, the clarification a prerequisite to properly respond to the argument, not potentially go off on a detour due to misinterpretation. So, no, it's neither for PM (just alone because it might clarify the matter also for others) nor is it something random folks can properly respond to. Which I did not think I would need to point out, as I would have thought people would get that due to the nature of the question and some logical thought, but then again, this is the WoWS boards. My expectations might have been a bit too high.

 

Its not a Detour or Misinterpretion at all.

This is a Public Forum and you are Part of an Argument.

So the Question is. Are you Trying to make a Point for that Argument with your Inquiry. Or are you not.

If you are Trying to make a Point then you should Expect others of the Opposing side to Answer as well. If you dont you should Ask him via PM or at least Mark it as a Personal Question on the Side.

 

And well. I did not exactly Expect that I would need to tell People that this is not a Private Conversation. But as you Said. its WoWs Boards. So maybe we Should Expect People to not have the exact same Standards that we got ourselves ;)

[ShinGetsu]

8 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Well. Thats because Premiums in WoT have a very Different Doctrine.

They are always WEAKER than their Normal Techtree Counterparts.

In WoWs the Premium Ships are almost always STRONGER than their Normal Techtree Counterparts.

That's literally not true since ages ago.

And they also mostly got rid of preferential matchmaking for premium tanks because it messed up the matchmaking too much.

 

WoT approach nowadays (and to be clear, it started BEFORE Wows was even released) is to propose somewhat unique and specific vehicles as premium. A Sherman with a french 105mm for instance. JT88 was another good example that was mentioned. By no means it is a tank weaker than a Ferdinand. But it got a specific playstyle.

Wows and wot have pretty comparative stance in their premium vehicles policy. The only things wows do very differently is the tier9-10 relatively accessible premium ships. WoT ask a far bigger effort to get a rare tier 9-10 tank.

[CaptainOkita]

I've come around to the anti cv crowd on one point. Delete CV's after a full xp/credit/doubloon refund. There's no other class to get these kind of sweeping changes in such a short time. Add AI strike planes to make AA ships retain a role. The strike planes can come from cap control (airfield in one map's cap)

[Filipin00]

21 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Well. Thats because Premiums in WoT have a very Different Doctrine.

They are always WEAKER than their Normal Techtree Counterparts.

Defender, IS-3A, E-25 and Chrysler K would love to have a word with you lel

 

They are in fact so much stronger than tech tree counterparts that it's not even funny, and they don't have preferential MM, but they don't need it, or at least, neither do tech tree tanks have it

I've seen these tanks I've listed here shitting on absolutely everyone they meet except those same tanks.

 

Never before has getting a kolobanov medal or radley-walters medal, or even pool's medal been easier to get....

I'm not saying premium ships in WoWS should crap on everyone like that as well, God no, there are some actually balanced premium tanks in woT like the recent lansen C

 

I'm saying that you should have at least some chance against higher tiers as well. The balancing mechanic for CVs doesn't work because it starts with the CV attacking one target that has no help from its team whatsoever.

That's.simply.not.the.case.anymore.

At least not in tier 9 and 10 battles. Not gonna happen. The only ships that separate and go alone are those that have so much AA that they don't need company to defend themselves from air attacks.

 

If enemy teams decides to cap a point they will all come together blobbing their AA simply negating anything enemy CV tries to do, completely making CV as a player irrelevant. That's the main problem.

 

 

[DragonstrikerOrigin]

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Its just sooo funny how people believe that the Carriers are OP if you need to consider that midway and haku do now 15k less average dmg then there RTS counter part.

In general i think that the CV is a strong ship still but currently its not unplayable but rather painful to play. Since you will just lose non stop planes like no tmrw.

That's why i think its stupid since the prep time for 1 planes is most of the time around 90 sec. 

 

I think wargaming should give the CV's some of there crunch back ether buy giving them more hp or by lowering the prep time so everyone is happy.

Everyone is able to shout down planes.

CV player can still continue his atacks since he probably will not get anymore deplanned.

 

And if someone says ah wtf CV never gets deplanned.

Well a friend of mine in his kaga got [edited]DEPLANNED!

mean he only had like 1-2 planes on his hanger.

[CptBarney]

28 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

That's literally not true since ages ago.

And they also mostly got rid of preferential matchmaking for premium tanks because it messed up the matchmaking too much.

Well thats not entirely true, they got rid of them yes. But only after they realised people would pay more for virtual stuff if it was better than the regular 'free' content avaliale. MM was fine even with these tanks in the game. Also most of these had credit bonus's too.

 

28 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

 

WoT approach nowadays (and to be clear, it started BEFORE Wows was even released) is to propose somewhat unique and specific vehicles as premium. A Sherman with a french 105mm for instance. JT88 was another good example that was mentioned. By no means it is a tank weaker than a Ferdinand. But it got a specific playstyle.

Wows and wot have pretty comparative stance in their premium vehicles policy. The only things wows do very differently is the tier9-10 relatively accessible premium ships. WoT ask a far bigger effort to get a rare tier 9-10 tank.

Again not really, most prem tanks that have been released have been due to the fact that better vehicles sell more (reason why the IS-3A and defender got shafted from the store and the former got buffed heavily). Also to fill gaps in and because wargaming doesn't have a clue what it's doing (most of these 'prem' tanks would be fine in a regular tech tree and some are just clones of each other with very little unique points about them.)

 

JagdTiger 88cm was infamous for being shite in world of tanks, due to its high boxy profile, non-existant armour and pew pew gun plus poor mobility meant any dippy sod could outplay it. The most balanced prem i've played is probs the T25 pilot 1 typical jack of all trades master of none, maybe the T-54 mod 1 to some extent even with the buffs.

 

Also wargaming seems to release prems to force in terrible tanks into the line (AMX M4 49 being a good example with the AMX 50T replacing it as an abomination that makes no sense being in the alt french heavy line at all).

 

Sure they may have niche playstyles but at the end of the day if better prems make more money wargaming will just go for that instead.

 

The tier 9 and 10 tanks are mostly reward or clan reward tanks for completing missions etc. Some make certain tanks obsolete (object 907, 279E,) others are well balanced (T-55A).

 

Mind miss T-34-2 is still sad. And wargaming thought giving a prem tiger 2 to the americans at a tier lower than the tiger 2 itself is 'unique'.

 

oh well.

 

 

 

 

[Sunleader]

19 minutes ago, Filipin00 said:

Defender, IS-3A, E-25 and Chrysler K would love to have a word with you lel

 

They are in fact so much stronger than tech tree counterparts that it's not even funny, and they don't have preferential MM, but they don't need it, or at least, neither do tech tree tanks have it

I've seen these tanks I've listed here shitting on absolutely everyone they meet except those same tanks.

 

Never before has getting a kolobanov medal or radley-walters medal, or even pool's medal been easier to get....

I'm not saying premium ships in WoWS should crap on everyone like that as well, God no, there are some actually balanced premium tanks in woT like the recent lansen C

 

I'm saying that you should have at least some chance against higher tiers as well. The balancing mechanic for CVs doesn't work because it starts with the CV attacking one target that has no help from its team whatsoever.

That's.simply.not.the.case.anymore.

At least not in tier 9 and 10 battles. Not gonna happen. The only ships that separate and go alone are those that have so much AA that they don't need company to defend themselves from air attacks.

 

If enemy teams decides to cap a point they will all come together blobbing their AA simply negating anything enemy CV tries to do, completely making CV as a player irrelevant. That's the main problem.

 

 

 

Erm What ????

Sorry but WHAT ???

Ok.

Lets Check the E25 then.

 

The E25 is a T7 German Tank Destroyer in World of Tanks.

His 2 Counterparts are the Jagdpanther and the Sturer Emil.

 

And here is the Catch. In WoT. Tank Destroyers usually get a Gun that Tanks only get One or even Two Tiers Higher.

So a T7 Tank Destroyer will usually get a T8 or T9 Gun.

 

The Sturer Emil for example Gets a T9 Gun. And the Jagdpanther gets a Choice of T8 Guns.

Now what does the E25 get ?

Thats right. it gets a T6 Gun.

It is getting a Freaking T6 Gun.

To be precise. It gets the STOCK Gun from the Jagdpanther.

People who dont know how to Play. Will DIE LIKE FLIES if they try to use the E25 in a T8 Battle.

 

And Mate.

I have Proven several times that I have easily a Chance in Higher Tiers with my T8 CVs.

Both with Graf Zeppelin and with the Kaga.

The Kaga is easy Mode surely Thanks to Large Reserves. But the GZ does not have Large Reserves. It does not even have very Strong Planes.

And Yet I still manage to Play T10 Games with it and Succeed.

 

So you do have a Chance.

If you dont use it. Then Sorry but thats your own Fault.

 

If nothing else. I can Guarantee you.

That a T8 CV has a much MUCH easier Time on a T10 Battle. Than a T8 DD, Cruiser or BB.

 

 

8 minutes ago, DragonstrikerOrigin said:

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Its just sooo funny how people believe that the Carriers are OP if you need to consider that midway and haku do now 15k less average dmg then there RTS counter part.

In general i think that the CV is a strong ship still but currently its not unplayable but rather painful to play. Since you will just lose non stop planes like no tmrw.

That's why i think its stupid since the prep time for 1 planes is most of the time around 90 sec. 

 

I think wargaming should give the CV's some of there crunch back ether buy giving them more hp or by lowering the prep time so everyone is happy.

Everyone is able to shout down planes.

CV player can still continue his atacks since he probably will not get anymore deplanned.

 

And if someone says ah wtf CV never gets deplanned.

Well a friend of mine in his kaga got [edited]DEPLANNED!

mean he only had like 1-2 planes on his hanger.

 

Please Show us the Replay of RTS Midway doing 500k Damage in a Match like the Midways did after the Rework.

And I got Deplaned with Kaga as well. Took me nearly 15 Minutes of Constantly Attacking a Blob of 6 Ships in a T10 Match tough. And the Blob Included at least a Kremlin and a DesMoines.

 

[Filipin00]

3 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Erm What ????

Sorry but WHAT ???

Ok.

Lets Check the E25 then.

 

The E25 is a T7 German Tank Destroyer in World of Tanks.

His 2 Counterparts are the Jagdpanther and the Sturer Emil.

 

And here is the Catch. In WoT. Tank Destroyers usually get a Gun that Tanks only get One or even Two Tiers Higher.

So a T7 Tank Destroyer will usually get a T8 or T9 Gun.

 

The Sturer Emil for example Gets a T9 Gun. And the Jagdpanther gets a Choice of T8 Guns.

Now what does the E25 get ?

Thats right. it gets a T6 Gun.

It is getting a Freaking T6 Gun.

To be precise. It gets the STOCK Gun from the Jagdpanther.

People who dont know how to Play. Will DIE LIKE FLIES if they try to use the E25 in a T8 Battle.

 

And Mate.

I have Proven several times that I have easily a Chance in Higher Tiers with my T8 CVs.

Both with Graf Zeppelin and with the Kaga.

The Kaga is easy Mode surely Thanks to Large Reserves. But the GZ does not have Large Reserves. It does not even have very Strong Planes.

And Yet I still manage to Play T10 Games with it and Succeed.

 

So you do have a Chance.

If you dont use it. Then Sorry but thats your own Fault.

 

If nothing else. I can Guarantee you.

That a T8 CV has a much MUCH easier Time on a T10 Battle. Than a T8 DD, Cruiser or BB.

 

 

 

Please Show us the Replay of RTS Midway doing 500k Damage in a Match like the Midways did after the Rework.

And I got Deplaned with Kaga as well. Took me nearly 15 Minutes of Constantly Attacking a Blob of 6 Ships in a T10 Match tough. And the Blob Included at least a Kremlin and a DesMoines.

 

Umm...have you....checked, you know....E-25's concealment? Base concealment? No? How about with camouflage, camo skill 100% on all crew?

Have you seen the reload of the gun, a.k.a dpm?

 

Have you tried combining the two? No? Have you even played WoT ever?

 

Also how you can attack a blob of T10 ships with KAGA!!!!(KAGA!!!!!! T7 PLANES!!!!!)and survive and get deplaned in 15 minutes is beyond me. Do you attack every 5 minutes and say it takes 15 minutes to get deplaned?

Like you say, replay or a video or it didn't happen

[DragonstrikerOrigin]

3 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Please Show us the Replay of RTS Midway doing 500k Damage in a Match like the Midways did after the Rework.

OKAY lets look at this statement how much this is over the top.

Lets see how much was the max dmg done on the EU server with RTS MIDWAY

 

Okay we have 458k dmg ever done the the 5th place hast 441k dmg.

Alright lets also look at the avg dmg. 129k to 201k avg dmg per game.

That looks pretty strong if we see that in RTS playstyle. 

Lets look at the new CV type how the new Midway is doing.

 

 

Hold on. I dont see a 500k max dmg. i see only 431k dmg done by the best every done on the eu Server while we have also 388k done by the 5th place.

Alright so max dmg wise looks like the new CV does have not the potential to break the record of RTS CV.

how does it look like with avg dmg? 133k - 212k dmg Oh well looks like the have approximitly a little bit better avg dmg then the RTS counterpart.

 

Alright so overall we can see that the max dmg is way lower then the old version and the avg dmg is pretty much on paar.

but we need to consider that those data from the new ships are taken since the where released. Now we look at it from that angle and we realise that yeah cv's getting more and more nerved AGAIN. What is apparently soo necessary.

 

Certain nerfs i think where necessary like the strenght to hunt DD's. That was a good nerf but now we going way beyond that. Now we are way to deep in since people are bitching that the dont shout down enough planes. 

I killed 50+ planes in my kidd the other day while my kidd is not even slightly AA spect. GO FIGURE.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

@Sunleader

 

My counting ia correct and you are probably using a different stats tracking website.

because i know of 2 players who for a fact played more then 1k games in Midway and i can make screenshots of them having done so if you insist. I can also back every other stat up that i presented to you but it's extra work i don't want to be doing on a mobile device so you would have to believe me when i say those numbers i mentioned are correct.

 

I also i set it as 200games counted because 100 games simply aren't enough to be statistically worth anything. I had 100Midway games in the first month of CV rework release. None of the stats of those first 100games are at all relevant anymore.

Setting it to 200 is actually very generous.

Btw it's 3 people with over 1 k games in Midway.

 

So if 1800 ~ players played Midway enough to be shown in the ranking and only around 160-170 do 130k dmg in 100games then that indicates that CVs are absolutely going to be unplayable for all the people who haven't been able to reach that number before AA buffs. And that is 90% if not more of all CV Midway players.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Here are the screenshots, one showing midway players by number of games and other showing the last spots of avg damage done with me being on 156#

[artic_99]

@Sunleader

As I promised I tried cvs once again. It was still playable. I had a funny game in Haku 126k dmg. It could have been better if I did not chose the 4 torps bombers lol. I believe some ships still need some tweaking but in general you're right it's playable and still fun. Maybe I felt different as I played the other matches on patch day. 

Cheers

[Panocek]

42 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Erm What ????

Sorry but WHAT ???

Ok.

Lets Check the E25 then.

 

The E25 is a T7 German Tank Destroyer in World of Tanks.

His 2 Counterparts are the Jagdpanther and the Sturer Emil.

 

And here is the Catch. In WoT. Tank Destroyers usually get a Gun that Tanks only get One or even Two Tiers Higher.

So a T7 Tank Destroyer will usually get a T8 or T9 Gun.

 

The Sturer Emil for example Gets a T9 Gun. And the Jagdpanther gets a Choice of T8 Guns.

Now what does the E25 get ?

Thats right. it gets a T6 Gun.

It is getting a Freaking T6 Gun.

To be precise. It gets the STOCK Gun from the Jagdpanther.

People who dont know how to Play. Will DIE LIKE FLIES if they try to use the E25 in a T8 Battle.

What you're missing is E-25 concealment, outstanding accuracy and DPM. Especially as E-25, due to being premium evaded global nerf to TD concealment when firing (WG consistency lesson 101). Add to that extraordinary mobility of this little bugger and you end up with TD keeping pace up with light tanks if not outright outrunning them, beating them in concealment and outgunning them outright. But hey, it has tier 6 gun, so it must be balans? Yes, thats why it got preferential MM, so it can't see higher than tier 8 unless failplatooned. Then at later date its gun due to "systematic change" got improved penetration as E-25 started with 138mm pen instead current 150mm

 

Everytime I've played E-25 only constraint was ammo capacity

 

On CV news, info on new Sector thingy

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 5 Minuten, artic_99 sagte:

@Sunleader

As I promised I tried cvs once again. It was still playable. I had a funny game in Haku 126k dmg. It could have been better if I did not chose the 4 torps bombers lol. I believe some ships still need some tweaking but in general you're right it's playable and still fun. Maybe I felt different as I played the other matches on patch day. 

Cheers

You seem to be performing qite well, top 150 for Hakuryo isn't that easy right, top 15%!

I guess you shouldn't be the voice of average players calling CVs playable for the playerbase.

[artic_99]

Vor 1 Minute, L0V3_and_PE4CE sagte:

You seem to be performing qite well, top 150 for Hakuryo isn't that easy right, top 15%!

I guess you shouldn't be the voice of average players calling CVs playable for the playerbase.

Eh I didnt knew that lol. But for me it was still fun :P

[Altsak]

There's a "CV rework" -summary pdf that has been released to CCs. Does anyone have a link to the document?

 

There's plethora of juicy bits around in it which I would definitely want to have a closer look.

 

For example:

 

 

and:

 

 

"DD class is influenced by CV most"   - no kidding

[artic_99]

Btw what is your suggestion for the captains build? Idk how to skill after 8.5. Any help is appreciated :) 

[Sunleader]

23 minutes ago, DragonstrikerOrigin said:

OKAY lets look at this statement how much this is over the top.

Lets see how much was the max dmg done on the EU server with RTS MIDWAY

 

Okay we have 458k dmg ever done the the 5th place hast 441k dmg.

Alright lets also look at the avg dmg. 129k to 201k avg dmg per game.

That looks pretty strong if we see that in RTS playstyle. 

Lets look at the new CV type how the new Midway is doing.

 

 

Hold on. I dont see a 500k max dmg. i see only 431k dmg done by the best every done on the eu Server while we have also 388k done by the 5th place.

Alright so max dmg wise looks like the new CV does have not the potential to break the record of RTS CV.

how does it look like with avg dmg? 133k - 212k dmg Oh well looks like the have approximitly a little bit better avg dmg then the RTS counterpart.

 

Alright so overall we can see that the max dmg is way lower then the old version and the avg dmg is pretty much on paar.

but we need to consider that those data from the new ships are taken since the where released. Now we look at it from that angle and we realise that yeah cv's getting more and more nerved AGAIN. What is apparently soo necessary.

 

Certain nerfs i think where necessary like the strenght to hunt DD's. That was a good nerf but now we going way beyond that. Now we are way to deep in since people are bitching that the dont shout down enough planes. 

I killed 50+ planes in my kidd the other day while my kidd is not even slightly AA spect. GO FIGURE.

 

Its Haku. Not Midway.

My Mistake. I somehow had Midway in my Head there. (And its RU Server. Not EU)

 

As for the Rest Mate.

You know what I instantly spot there ? In RTS there is one guy with 3k Games.

And this is a common thing. Many of the Good Stat Players in RTS thanks to it being around for Years. 

Got very Good Stats and Thousands of Games.

If you Check the Most Games Played. You notice that the RTS has 4 Violett Guys on Top with about 2k Games each.

Meaning they alone can Stand up to 10-15 Violett Guys on RTS.

 

Meanwhile if you look at the lower End. You notice that thanks to the 80 Games Barrier. The Rework still lacks over 5 Pages of Players on the Lower End.

Because they dont yet have enough Games to be Counted.

 

So the Stats for Rework CVs will likely Rise quite a bit in the Future as more Players get over the Threshold.

I dont think that the Stats we got yet. Are really Comparable.

RTS was Around for Years. While Rework is only around for 6 Months.

Its not really a Fair Comparisson.

Even less when we only Count People with more than 80 Games like the Website does.

 

 

14 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

@Sunleader

 

My counting ia correct and you are probably using a different stats tracking website.

because i know of 2 players who for a fact played more then 1k games in Midway and i can make screenshots of them having done so if you insist. I can also back every other stat up that i presented to you but it's extra work i don't want to be doing on a mobile device so you would have to believe me when i say those numbers i mentioned are correct.

 

I also i set it as 200games counted because 100 games simply aren't enough to be statistically worth anything. I had 100Midway games in the first month of CV rework release. None of the stats of those first 100games are at all relevant anymore.

Setting it to 200 is actually very generous.

Btw it's 3 people with over 1 k games in Midway.

 

So if 1800 ~ players played Midway enough to be shown in the ranking and only around 160-170 do 130k dmg in 100games then that indicates that CVs are absolutely going to be unplayable for all the people who haven't been able to reach that number before AA buffs. And that is 90% if not more of all CV Midway players.

 

No.

Its just that I somehow completely messed up there.

I have no Idea what I did. I just Sorted WoWs Stats & and Numbers by Battles and it said 800.

I got no Idea how I got that wrong there. Maybe I misclicked.

Or when Seeing that a Certain Name Pops up a Freaking 2 Times in the most Battles Played for this CV. Maybe my Brain just went into Shutdown Mode because it Refused to Acknowledge that Guys Existence.....

 

 

On my Point this is not Changing anything tough.

The Stats ONLY Count Players over 80 Games anyways.

Anything below that is not Counted.

Setting 200 Games Minimum is Inherently Unfair for the Rework. Because it Simply does not Exist long enough.

Its 1400 Games for the Top of the List. Not 800. But the RTS Still Sits over 4000 Games at the Top of this List.

 

The Guy with the most Played Battles in the Rework. Would not even be Top 10 of the Most Games Played in RTS. (Albeit just Barely Missing it)

God now I remembered a Name I didnt want to....

 

 

You can Call it Generous. But then the only thing you do is make All Stats Invalid. Because you simply dont get a Large enough Sample Size for a Fair Comparisson.

And Now I think I.ll take a rest lol.

Thats the Third Time Today I messed up on this. I think its better if I take a Break before I make any more Embarassing Mistakes xD

 

 

4 minutes ago, artic_99 said:

@Sunleader

As I promised I tried cvs once again. It was still playable. I had a funny game in Haku 126k dmg. It could have been better if I did not chose the 4 torps bombers lol. I believe some ships still need some tweaking but in general you're right it's playable and still fun. Maybe I felt different as I played the other matches on patch day. 

Cheers

 

Glad You could come around on this.

I think Generally that on Patch Day alot of People were Simply Biased from the Announcement of the Nerf as well.

Moreover. While I dont think it was such a Dramatic Nerf. It was clearly a very Dramatic Change of how you need to Play.

So I am pretty sure alot of Players also Simply got very Negative Results because they Tried to Play like they did in 0.8.4 and thus got Hammered by the Surprise.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 17 Minuten, Panocek sagte:

On CV news, info on new Sector thingy

ok, now i only need to turn my camera in one direction, press delete button and kill 3 planes for free?

Hurray!

[ShinGetsu]

1 hour ago, CptBarney said:

JagdTiger 88cm was infamous for being shite in world of tanks, due to its high boxy profile, non-existant armour and pew pew gun plus poor mobility meant any dippy sod could outplay it. The most balanced prem i've played is probs the T25 pilot 1 typical jack of all trades master of none, maybe the T-54 mod 1 to some extent even with the buffs.

Lul.

Dunno how infamous it was. Because I freaking WROTE the guide on how to use the JT88 and it was an absolute monster for AGES. The reload on it was absolutely insane and a good positioning made it an impenetrable wall.

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

ok, now i only need to turn my camera in one direction, press delete button and kill 3 planes for free?

Hurray!

Balans is of achieved, now go and buy yourself an Enty 

[DragonstrikerOrigin]

9 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

So the Stats for Rework CVs will likely Rise quite a bit in the Future as more Players get over the Threshold.

 

Well thats true that we need more date. But if we consider that CV's get trashed now because of whining little players who [edited] about CV's being op the hole time even tough there is only 1 cv per game in t8 and t10. I'm just lost for word to be honest.

and if the get trashed that much then it will be harder to get more data since there will be no one playing them anyway.

Considering you said around the lines of haku having a 500k game. Yes i watched that video on yt and to be honest the enemie team was full of potatos.

regarding the 500k mark yes there is also a russian player with its midway did 500k dmg in RTS.

This is why i think what wargaming is doing currently to the CV's is stupid. Cv's are meant to be the bread and butter in regards of dmg dealing etc...

For that exact reason you can't just nerve the class entirly since most of the time CV's are only by themself's 

 

Regarding the AA it's just stupid now. There is no effort involved for surface ships since the will just stick around AA ships like worcest, mino etc.... and those ship will now just melt down your planes like no tmrw.

 

I personally think the biggest issue is the ramping dmg of AA guns in comparison of t8 to t10

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, ShinGetsu said:

Lul.

Dunno how infamous it was. Because I freaking WROTE the guide on how to use the JT88 and it was an absolute monster for AGES. The reload on it was absolutely insane and a good positioning made it an impenetrable wall.

I just remember filling them with holes whenever i saw one in my amx 50 120 or 100.

 

Never saw it as much of a threat even when i was playing something lower tier. The tank lost it's edge for a long time now and is universally regarded as bad amongst TD's.

 

But hey my fav german heavy the E75 (tiger 3) is irrelevant so theres that.

[Filipin00]

2 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Balans is of achieved, now go and buy yourself an Enty 

Can't wait for the refund options for premium CVs

gj wargaming