CV Rework Discussion

[artic_99]

Vor 4 Minuten, Sunleader sagte:

Sure. Because being able to Prevent the Third Strike of a CV 2 Tiers Lower = Immunity to almost all CVs.

Sorry. But are you guys actually able to Write this Bullcrab without your Nose Growing to more than 3 meters ?

Bro..... I have no opinion right now (only my general opinion which is strong aa ships as you said should rape the planes out of the sky and weak aa ships which are in need of those) I can't play the game right now and just wanted to know what he thinks about it. And that you don't knew how the repair costs work is really poor. 1 plane loss at tier 10 is 1k repair costs btw. That plus the 240k that are there anyway. This mechanic is there to prevent people from camping btw. But pls just stop insulting folks cuz they don't agree with your opinion. 

[Excavatus]

2 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

But how do you like being the Kaga against any enemy DD then? Let’s pick a equal-tier one. Like Akizuki or some USN ones ?

If we are specically talking about Kaga, She is a special one.

Tier 7 planes with a lot of them. So her captain should be extra careful I guess. I've never played it.

 

But If you ask me, Kaga vs akizuki, aki should take moderate to high damage If the captain of the CV skilled enough. But would be able to kill a lot of planes If AA specced.
But a kagero should be able to kill planes in low or mid numbers depending on the AA specs, and should eat a lot of damage If the skilled CV captain decides to drop anyway!

 

Lets assume we are talking about fully AA specced DDs..

 

A same tier CV shouldn't be able to drop ruskis or US DDs If they have defAA active. Even without defAA they should be able to drop them and If skilled, should be able to cripple them but with heavy losses.

British ones, should be in the middle with IJN and US. French a little worse then Brits.. or reverse..

But to make it short, I think even a midway should not be able to drop  a fully AA specced gearing with defAA on, and without DefAA on, that gearing should at least tear a helf squadron down.. while dropping the first wing.. same for grozo IMO..

 

 

[Filipin00]

5 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

I am more Impressed how many People Seriously go ahead and Openly Demand that People are made Helpless with the Statement that they dont have Fun unless they can Harass People that cant Fight back

 

Have you seen iChase's video of flying shimakaze? The Hakuryu video where he spams 12 torps every 20 secs? Do you remember what it did to enemy team? Made them completely hepless and not playing objectives, his team won, etc....

 

And what is happening in a lot of tier 10 games when someone tries to play tier 8 CV(I'm only saying this for tier 8 CVs, tier 10 should be able to handle this)

Players abuse the new AA mechanic to render CVs useless. That is the only complaint I have rn in terms of CV and AA gameplay. I can do really well in CVs, they are balanced, but I feel like the pendulum of "game mechanic exploitation" is now swinging in favor of surface ships. I'm not saying its against the rules to go together with teammates but, seriously, 8+ ships in literally same spot, and the others that are not with them are alone, sure, but only because they don't need company like worcesters, minos, des moines etc

 

That is my only critic towards the current AA system. People deliberately blobbing so many AA bubbles, perhaps not even deliberately they just went all of them together ( ) and render the CV obsolete.

And along with that, surface ships players keep yelling at CV to do something when in reality CV actually can't do anything lel

[Excavatus]

4 minutes ago, Filipin00 said:

People deliberately blobbing so many AA bubbles, perhaps not even deliberately they just went all of them together

and If people actually listened the same advice and did the same thing in one in everybattle where an RTS CV in it before the rework,

we wouldn't be here at all! :)

May be @El2aZeR would be still looking all from the above and still trying to tell people "STAY TOGETHER AND YOU WILL BE FINE!"

[1MajorKoenig]

6 minutes ago, artic_99 said:

But pls just stop insulting folks cuz they don't agree with your opinion. 

 

You seem to be either an extremely polite person or you just haven’t found the igno button yet 

[Sunleader]

16 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

You are getting a wrong impression then

Because my Musashi still eats AP citadels from big E or Haku or Shokaku, but now they lose planes thankfully.

My Kronstad eats nice torps from midway anytime she passes by, but now I don't scared to death when my defAA is on cooldown

My shima eats enormous rocket damage from audacious or midway but now at least I can send the squadron back with some missing planes.

 

I don't want immunity,

but I want.. all and every single one of surface ships can be able to hurt the CVs back.

I want all ships to be able to fight back to some extend.

I played with my haku before 8.5.

A lone musashi was nothing.. Basically nothing... no threat.. notsoever!

yeah fighters.. for how long? will only kill what 4 planes?

I start the game with fecking 24 TBs... just at the start..

 

Yeah.. right now, If a musa captain fully specs for AA..
yeah she will continue to eat damage like a boss.. but there will be some floating wings around too..

that is at least feels ok. Remove that HELPLESSNESS feeling. and this is what the latest change about I understood.

 

Did Someone say AP Bomb Citadel Musashi ?

 

 

 

I guess this Counts as Immunity against CVs. After all the Musashi did Kill 2 of my Aircraft.

But dont worry. Musashi is not the Only Ship which is Immune to CVs.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, artic_99 said:

Bro..... I have no opinion right now (only my general opinion which is strong aa ships as you said should rape the planes out of the sky and weak aa ships which are in need of those) I can't play the game right now and just wanted to know what he thinks about it. And that you don't knew how the repair costs work is really poor. 1 plane loss at tier 10 is 1k repair costs btw. That plus the 240k that are there anyway. This mechanic is there to prevent people from camping btw. But pls just stop insulting folks cuz they don't agree with your opinion. 

 

Mate.

He Explained that he in his Harugumo has Buffed his AA with Modules. And that with 0.8.5 he actually Feels like the AA is Doing Something.

Because he was able to Prevent the 3rd Drop against him by the same Squadron.

So he Still got Dropped 2 Times.

And the First Answer you Guys come around with. Is that he is Immune against CVs.

So I merely Clarified your Statement. Which is that "Ship can prevent the 3rd Drop of a Squadron = Ship is Immune against CV"

 

2 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

If we are specically talking about Kaga, She is a special one.

Tier 7 planes with a lot of them. So her captain should be extra careful I guess. I've never played it.

 

But If you ask me, Kaga vs akizuki, aki should take moderate to high damage If the captain of the CV skilled enough. But would be able to kill a lot of planes If AA specced.
But a kagero should be able to kill planes in low or mid numbers depending on the AA specs, and should eat a lot of damage If the skilled CV captain decides to drop anyway!

 

Lets assume we are talking about fully AA specced DDs..

 

A same tier CV shouldn't be able to drop ruskis or US DDs If they have defAA active. Even without defAA they should be able to drop them and If skilled, should be able to cripple them but with heavy losses.

British ones, should be in the middle with IJN and US. French a little worse then Brits.. or reverse..

But to make it short, I think even a midway should not be able to drop  a fully AA specced gearing with defAA on, and without DefAA on, that gearing should at least tear a helf squadron down.. while dropping the first wing.. same for grozo IMO..

 

 

 

Honestly Said. T8 DDs are Food for Kaga.

The Kaga has Great HE Bombs that can Hit DDs very Reliably. And while its Rocket Planes are Puny. They do Deal Damage.

And most Importandly. The Kaga Simply does not care for some Losses. The Kaga can Lose Full Squadrons and will still be Sending more Full Squadrons after People.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Filipin00 said:

 

Have you seen iChase's video of flying shimakaze? The Hakuryu video where he spams 12 torps every 20 secs? Do you remember what it did to enemy team? Made them completely hepless and not playing objectives, his team won, etc....

 

And what is happening in a lot of tier 10 games when someone tries to play tier 8 CV(I'm only saying this for tier 8 CVs, tier 10 should be able to handle this)

Players abuse the new AA mechanic to render CVs useless. That is the only complaint I have rn in terms of CV and AA gameplay. I can do really well in CVs, they are balanced, but I feel like the pendulum of "game mechanic exploitation" is now swinging in favor of surface ships. I'm not saying its against the rules to go together with teammates but, seriously, 8+ ships in literally same spot, and the others that are not with them are alone, sure, but only because they don't need company like worcesters, minos, des moines etc

 

That is my only critic towards the current AA system. People deliberately blobbing so many AA bubbles, perhaps not even deliberately they just went all of them together ( ) and render the CV obsolete.

And along with that, surface ships players keep yelling at CV to do something when in reality CV actually can't do anything lel

 

No. I wasnt here at the Start of the Rework. I basicly Instantly Quit because it was so Ridiculous when the Good T10 CV Players basicly Kept Posting 500k+ Games everyday.

I Only Returned on 0.8.3 and then Nearly Quit on 0.8.4 because it did nearly Nothing.

Glad I Stayed tough. Would have missed this currently.

 

 

 

 

 

@Topic.

Meanwhile I keep having a Great Time in my Unplayable CVs whose Squadrons just get Deleted when I get close to any Ship with AA.

I guess Me and my Planes are Just too Stupid and Slow. We have not yet Realized that we are Supposed to be Deleted when we Reach AA Bubbles. And by the Time we Realize the Enemy Ship has already been Bombed. *gg*

 

[artic_99]

Vor 6 Minuten, Excavatus sagte:

and If people actually listened the same advice and did the same thing in one in everybattle where an RTS CV in it before the rework,

we wouldn't be here at all! :)

May be @El2aZeR would be still looking all from the above and still trying to tell people "STAY TOGETHER AND YOU WILL BE FINE!"

I think even the old system could have worked if WG made it easier to use for beginners :P and also tells people how to counterplay:) 

[HaachamaShipping]

51 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

oh and a bonus..

OMG.. a kaga want to kill me with her puny rocket planes

It was so much fun, I was like a lawnmower and kaga planes were grass! :)

What were the damage numbers?

7 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Never being able to get your last strike off is just weird. Why give a torpedo bomber squad 3x4 torpedo bombers when you're never allowed to use the last 4- at most 2 of the last group or something? Doesnt make sense to me. 

Reserves, so you get a second strike and not ust one.

2 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Summary for CV mains.

The problem untill 0.8.5 is exactly what are you feeling since 0.8.5

HELPLESSNESS!

That was what Surface captains were mostly feeling against CVs for the start of the rework.

Just like BB mains for years feel "helpless" against torp DDs and HE spam, feelings are subjective all the time and nonsense half of it. For balance, one has to look at the facts. And here, your ship still is going to die if the CV is competent and wills it. That has not really changed. What has changed is that CVs now lose planes to any ship that isn't with AA off or some Asashio. And while the losses are not going to save ships from good CVs, they do cause decent CVs to start incur plane losses they were not designed for, increasing the gap between good and bad CVs.

 

So, in essence, the issue is not surface targets magically defending themselves effectively. When a Midway drops your ship for a third of its hp or a Haku drops your cruiser for half, that hurts more than the 5 planes you killed in return and you aren't going to prevent them from gettng you after 1-2 more such passes, for which most CVs have the planes at the start. However, it distorts the balance inbetween CVs between those that can cope and those that can't. There's a reason there's a disproportionate amount of people who play GZ and complain, compared to players who play Enterprise and do.

5 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

I played with my haku before 8.5.

A lone musashi was nothing.. Basically nothing... no threat.. notsoever!

yeah fighters.. for how long? will only kill what 4 planes?

I start the game with fecking 24 TBs... just at the start..

You don't realise that this is exactly how it is supposed to be? Musashi is supposed to get absolutely wrecked by CVs if it does not get covered by others. Planes are just bonus. It's why this ship is even allowed at T9, for being a goddamn Yamato with 0.3 sigma less (1.8 still being average sigma, but on great IJN base dispersion) and worse turret traverse, but otherwise basically the same. Absurd hp, absurd HE resistance, absurd range, 32 mm overmatch, able to meet T7s. 

[Sunleader]

On a Lighter Note.

World of Warships just Posted a Video on their Channel.

 

Maybe the CVs will Soon have a New Enemy to Cope with. Which doesnt really have AA to Shoot down Planes. But which does actually have some Limited Immunity to Airstrikes.

 

 

 

If this is a Hint. That Submarines are Coming to the Game soon.

The CV Rework might get an Entirely New Dynamic. And Maybe DDs will also Suffer less from CVs because their Role will Change from an Aggressive to a more Defensive one.

Thus them no longer being Required to Leave the Fleet and thus the AA Bubble if they want to be Useful to the Team.

[artic_99]

@Sunleader Mate pls realize.... You don't need to fight me. Your posts made me realize you can still play somehow. I only played two games then I quit cuz it feeled so stupid. But perhaps two games are not enough. Well I think I can still do good with the new system but those to games weren't fun at all. Maybe it was no fun cuz it was on patch day Idk. I will defently thanks to you try it out again and I am watching this in a different way now. But still... I can't tell right now. Further just please stop with insulting folks who are against you. I am not against you but still you were as trigger happy you instantly made this nose grow 3 meter thing that's not good and so pls stop this. 

[CaptainOkita]

@Sunleader Is this a flex that you can slingshot really well? sorry i don't really understand what those posts are meant to illustrate.

Give it time and WG will slingshotting too. That's probably the only justified nerf i can see with CV's as it blatantly ignores damage.

[Excavatus]

26 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Musashi is supposed to get absolutely wrecked by CVs if it does not get covered by others.

Yeah.. This is where the part we disagree,

no ship, I mean no ship should supposed to get absolutely wrecked by any other class in the game.

That is the problem from my side.

If I get a misplay, get me wrecked by anything,

If the enemy outplays me, get me wrecked by anything.

 

stripping the AA and leaving ship as a snack for even 1 tier lower CV is not a way to balanece a ship If you ask me.

and If you are saying the only counter against the mighty musashi is the CVs, I disagree with that too.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, Excavatus said:

Yeah.. This is where the part we disagree,

no ship, I mean no ship should supposed to get absolutely wrecked by any other class in the game.

That is the problem from my side.

If I get a misplay, get me wrecked by anything,

If the enemy outplays me, get me wrecked by anything.

 

stripping the AA and leaving ship as a snack for even 1 tier lower CV is not a way to balanece a ship If you ask me.

and If you are saying the only counter against the mighty musashi is the CVs, I disagree with that too.

Then Musashi should not exist. Simple as that. It is the balancing that WG did with Musashi, which is a less absurd version of for example the balancing behind Asashio, another ship that gets the tools to crap on one class while getting dumpstered by at least two others with minimal counterplay options other than go and hide. I'm all for less of these idiotic designs, but as long as they exist, this is the price they pay and asking for the downsides of their silly balancing to matter less without nerfing their upsides is just silly. After all, if you wanted a balanced T9 BB that is supposed to be more viable vs CVs but is less of a T9.5 otherwise, Izumo is fine. And if an Izumo shoots down a few planes and poses a bit of a cost to CVs, that's fine too.

[Sunleader]

13 minutes ago, CaptainOkita said:

@Sunleader Is this a flex that you can slingshot really well? sorry i don't really understand what those posts are meant to illustrate.

 

Nope.

In Fact. I do not Slingshot AT ALL.

I consider Slingshotting a Game Weakness. And Unintended Mechanic. So I dont use it as I would consider it Bug Abuse.

 

Me Posting these Pictures serves solely to Provide Evidence that CVs are not Unplayable and that no Ship is Immune against CV Attacks.

So whenever Claims come up that Ships would be Immune to CVs or that CVs are Unplayable now in 0.8.5 I Post some Screenshots of the Good Games I played recently in my CV.

Showing Clearly. That CVs are not Unplayable. That CVs can still easily Overcome AA. And that Especially Ships which have Weak AA. Still are very easy to Destroy with CVs.

 

In this Case. It was Claimed once more. Than in 0.8.5 even Ships with Weak AA like for Musashi. Could be Pretty much Immune to Airstrikes.

(And Yes I added the Triple Citadel on the Hindenburg simply because it was the same Game and someone a few Pages ago Claimed that my Triple Citadel on a Tirpitz was just Luck because its so Big and easy to Citadel)

[CaptainOkita]

20 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Yeah.. This is where the part we disagree,

no ship, I mean no ship should supposed to get absolutely wrecked by any other class in the game.

That is the problem from my side.

If I get a misplay, get me wrecked by anything,

If the enemy outplays me, get me wrecked by anything.

 

stripping the AA and leaving ship as a snack for even 1 tier lower CV is not a way to balanece a ship If you ask me.

and If you are saying the only counter against the mighty musashi is the CVs, I disagree with that too.

Though that's what already happens in some instances. An asahi will ruin BB's by sheer volume of torpedos. A DM can flamethrower roast unsuspecting BB's. A moskva can bow tank bb's statically. Some ships fire over islands. The game is fun because of it's asymmetry. There are far better symmetric pvp games out there and wows wouldn't hold a candle to them going the road of making everything the same.

 

5 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Nope.

In Fact. I do not Slingshot AT ALL.

I consider Slingshotting a Game Weakness. And Unintended Mechanic. So I dont use it as I would consider it Bug Abuse.

 

Me Posting these Pictures serves solely to Provide Evidence that CVs are not Unplayable and that no Ship is Immune against CV Attacks.

So whenever Claims come up that Ships would be Immune to CVs or that CVs are Unplayable now in 0.8.5 I Post some Screenshots of the Good Games I played recently in my CV.

Showing Clearly. That CVs are not Unplayable. That CVs can still easily Overcome AA. And that Especially Ships which have Weak AA. Still are very easy to Destroy with CVs.

 

In this Case. It was Claimed once more. Than in 0.8.5 even Ships with Weak AA like for Musashi. Could be Pretty much Immune to Airstrikes.

(And Yes I added the Triple Citadel on the Hindenburg simply because it was the same Game and someone a few Pages ago Claimed that my Triple Citadel on a Tirpitz was just Luck because its so Big and easy to Citadel)

While i'm probably just tired of this all affair to make me cynical - i doubt that you didn't slingshot given that the moment your squad enters the AA bubble to the moment after your i-frames are gone you are constantly taking insane damage focused per plane. It seems like you got lucky on the AP or do haku AP bombs cit more often? i stopped at shokaku for IJN. All power to you if you're having fun with this mate. I should probably walk away from these forums for a while until next patch at least.

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

1 hour ago, Excavatus said:

....

I disagree in principle. This is wrong.
Shima is the stealth king who shines best when goes alone on a flank or infront of the fleet

to spot enemy, to spot torps, etc etc.

.....

Eeh yeah, but once you do find this Shimakaze, you should be able to punish him without mercy. And the Shimakaze should be completely unable to do anything back. 
Thats the balancing that a Shimakaze offers- great stealth and torpedos- but youre screwed against air. Right now however, a Shimakaze has far too good effective AA for the role it has. Even a lone Shimakaze will shoot down TX aircraft before a CV can get his last attack run in. 

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

....

 

 

So your among the People which basicly would Agree to a more Extreme Difference.

Basicly Proper AA Cruisers should be able to just Delete entire Squadrons before they can Drop a Single Bomb.

While Ships without AA Should not cause Losses.

 

Unfortunately this is not within Possibility.

Because WG wants People to Play CVs. So WG made it so. That even against the Strongest Possible AA Ships. You will Still be able to Drop at least 1 Wing of Bombs.

And as long as a CV is Guaranteed to do Damage and Drop Bombs. You also have to be so Fair to also say that Ships should always be able to Return Fire against Aircraft and at least cost a few of them.

(However. I think this needs to be Noted. Shimakaze has Horrible AA. And will usually not Cost any Aircraft. The Reason why DDs lately can Cost Aircraft. Is because DDs have become the Prime Target of CVs and thus almost every Single DD will Install all the AA Modules to get Extra AA on their Ships. And thus actually Start Shooting out alot of AA against Aircraft.)

 

......

Well, the problem right now is that heavy AA cruisers aswell as plenty of battleships and even some DDs prevent a CV from dropping any armament at all. 
As i said, i currently can prevent a T8 CV from dropping by sector prioritizing plus Def AA- thats 9-12 planes down in less than 10 seconds. 

Combine that with the idea that even ships that should have next-to-no AA still pose a concrete risk for CVs, as in that you'll most likely lose 1 or more aircraft on continuous AA if you linger for 3 runs, then the current AA is simply far too heavy. 

 

I think engaging a minotaur should give you a chance of hitting him- but also a good, a very good, chance of just seeing your entire squadron shot down before they do anything at all. 

 

Engaging a Shimakaze should leave you with 95% of your health left, with 3 attack runs done, unless you hit a flak burst. 

As it is now, AA DPS values simply need to be roughly halved to make the system workable

[Excavatus]

6 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Even a lone Shimakaze will shoot down TX aircraft before a CV can get his last attack run in. 

and do you really think it shouldn't be like this?

A lone shima should not be able to kill 3 out of 12 airplanes attaking on her?

 

8 minutes ago, CaptainOkita said:

Though that's what already happens in some instances. An asahi will ruin BB's by sheer volume of torpedos. A DM can flamethrower roast unsuspecting BB's. A moskva can bow tank bb's statically. Some ships fire over islands. The game is fun because of it's asymmetry. There are far better symmetric pvp games out there and wows wouldn't hold a candle to them going the road of making everything the same. 

 

Yeah, but the problem is, you can run away from a desmo, If you know there is an asashio you can always change course, change places, a moskva can bow tank BBs but continue to eat damage regardless, ships fire over islands but they need someone to spot for them.

 

This is completely different with CVs.

[Panocek]

25 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

stripping the AA and leaving ship as a snack for even 1 tier lower CV is not a way to balanece a ship If you ask me.

and If you are saying the only counter against the mighty musashi is the CVs, I disagree with that too.

You talk like you're WG player from today morning...

 

And counter to Musashi are Haku and Midway bombs + TiTs, because it sure as hell will take a while to drill enough holes through her TDP with aerial practice torps.

[Excavatus]

7 minutes ago, Panocek said:

You talk like you're WG player from today morning..

and who would that be?
I have no idea what happened this morning.

[thisismalacoda]

Vor 53 Minuten, Excavatus sagte:

Yeah.. This is where the part we disagree,

no ship, I mean no ship should supposed to get absolutely wrecked by any other class in the game.

Even as somebody who strongly dislikes the current easy mode CV implementation and their pre 0.8.5 balancing, let me disagree.

If somebody willingly brings a knife to a gun fight, he should suffer the consequences. A captain, who not only plays Musashi in the current meta, but also frolicks sufficiently far away from friendly AA, should sink. We owe that to evolution.

[Panocek]

19 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

and who would that be?
I have no idea what happened this morning.

I've meant as if you started playing today

 

[Sunleader]

11 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Well, the problem right now is that heavy AA cruisers aswell as plenty of battleships and even some DDs prevent a CV from dropping any armament at all. 
As i said, i currently can prevent a T8 CV from dropping by sector prioritizing plus Def AA- thats 9-12 planes down in less than 10 seconds. 

Combine that with the idea that even ships that should have next-to-no AA still pose a concrete risk for CVs, as in that you'll most likely lose 1 or more aircraft on continuous AA if you linger for 3 runs, then the current AA is simply far too heavy. 

 

I think engaging a minotaur should give you a chance of hitting him- but also a good, a very good, chance of just seeing your entire squadron shot down before they do anything at all. 

 

Engaging a Shimakaze should leave you with 95% of your health left, with 3 attack runs done, unless you hit a flak burst. 

As it is now, AA DPS values simply need to be roughly halved to make the system workable

 

No.

I am Sorry but this is Simply not True.

There is currently no Ship in this Game. Which can Prevent you from the First Drop.

I am not even sure that anything below a Blob of 3 or more T10 Dedicated AA Cruisers is Capable of Destroying an Entire Squadron before it can Drop at least 1 Wing worth of Payload.

 

You say you should have a Chance to Hit a Minotaur.

I am saying that Hitting even a Minotaur is not a problem for a CV.

 

For example. In this Screenshot I have Double Citadelled a Minotaur which made the Mistake of Stopping behind an Island.

And as you can See. Even after this Double Citadel I got 4 Planes left. From my 8 Planes I started with and from which 2 Dropped their Load and Left.

And I am in Fact in a T8 CV which on top is considered one of the Weakest T8 CVs in the Game.

 

 

No Ship in the Game. Is Currently Capable of Preventing a Squadron from Dropping at least Once.

 

And No.

Sorry. But if anything. The Continues AA Values need to be Increased by at least 30%

Because currently.  As Proven many many times. Even a T8 CV can Still Bomb a T10 Dedicated AA Cruiser. It certainly is not a Good Idea because it costs alot of Planes to do it which are not worth the Damage you do. But they can still do it.

While a T10 DD despite having AA Upgrades is still Fodder for a T8 CV which is barely Capable of costing him 2-3 Planes assuming the CV keeps Flying above him several Times to make Additional Drops on him.

No Ship. Should be Helpless ever.

No other Ship in the Game is Safe from Damage when Attacking another Ship. And the CVs ONLY Risking Planes instead of their actual Ship. Is in itself already an Incredible Advantage and Complete Breach of that Balance.

But Sure as Hell. These Planes should not then be Safe from being Killed just because the Ship they Attack is not the Class Countering them.

Otherwise I demand that Cruisers are Immune to Torpedoes from DDs. Battleships become Immune to HE Shells from Cruisers. And DD become Immune to Hits from BB Secondaries.

 

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

37 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Eeh yeah, but once you do find this Shimakaze, you should be able to punish him without mercy. And the Shimakaze should be completely unable to do anything back. 
Thats the balancing that a Shimakaze offers- great stealth and torpedos- but youre screwed against air. Right now however, a Shimakaze has far too good effective AA for the role it has. Even a lone Shimakaze will shoot down TX aircraft before a CV can get his last attack run in. 

What's wrong with this community's thinking about CV's? Are we as players so spoiled that 'killing a target without it being able to do anything about it' is considered normal and a final state of balance for that class? What the...?

That is an absurd statement regarding proper balance. I would suggest that if said Shima gets in avg. torp range of 12 km of any CV, the carrier should be completely unable to do anything about it and get punished without mercy.

[Filipin00]

12 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Sorry. But if anything. The Continues AA Values need to be Increased by at least 30%

I'm having a hard time figuring out if you're actually serious or just taken the sarcasm so far that you've reached another existential plane

While I'm not opposed to balancing CVs in a way that benefits all classes, wouldn't it make fighting tier 8 ships in tier 8 CV like fighting tier 10s in current system? Besides if it was like that in real life we would have no WWII veterans survived post-war rofl

edit: I don't know how you guys make double citadels with GZ or any CV for that matter when RNG is such a troll that even fully aiming doesn't help and bombs just fly all over the place but where I aimed them