CV Rework Discussion

[BackfirePL]

In my opinion making a rework of rework is a bad idea - especially vs premium CVs. It is unfair vs players. Im angry after the patch cause this is again like the CV players are main enemy to be focused by WG. Bad, bad, f***in bad and unfair.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

36 minutes ago, Sugertukas said:

...I don't want CVs to be OP. They weren't...

Stats indicated, (excluding the Graf Zeppelin) all Tier 8 CVs were OP.

[Sunleader]

54 minutes ago, Yare_Yare said:

You are not outperforming other Ships just because you  do more Damage and get More Exp in a CV.  Even tho the Damage Numbers seem high in CVs usually 70% of that damage is from Dots that was repaired during the game. The only time you can get a kill in a CV is on  targets that were low hp to begin with. None of your Damage really sticks compared to all other ships that do devastating strikes. Most of the impact you have on the game as a CV is because of spotting, not because your damage. And for the same reason you end up at the top of the team when you dont suck, its because you spot and defend caps more often then other ships. Also Carriers have a bonus to their exp since the rework to incentive players to learn how to play them without ending up at the bottom of the team. This game NEEDS more CASUALS playing carriers because it needs the quantity, not quality. It doesnt help the game if it gets 10 pros playing CVs again we wouldnt have needed a rework then. If a casual doesnt suck in CV he should end up top 3 in the team. 

The claims that AA is fine now is absolutely wrong.

 

1.

More Damage, More Exp, More Spotting, More Everything lol.

Sorry but thats the Definition of Outperforming...

2.

And Mate no Offense. But BARELY any Damage from CVs is from Dots.

In case you didnt notice that. My Screenshots barely Contained any Flooding or Fires....

In that Video of Notser he Deals 80k Damage in a T10 Game and has pretty much no Dots at all.

3.

Well. I actually just there Posted a Screenshot of me Dealing 40k Damage to a Kremlin. Which is Currently the BB which has the Strongest AA of all BBs in the Game. And I killed It with a T8 CV that is actually Considered Weak amongst CVs....

4.

Mate. I AM a Casual. And I got absolutely no Problem Playing Carriers right now.

its Super Easy.

You just have to Follow some Basic Rules.

Sorry. But if you just wanna Yolo with Blazing Guns then you Deserve to Suck. End of Story.

5.

AA is not Fine at all.

It is Still way too Weak to be Honest.

Some Ships can Still be Bombed 3 times with a Single Squadron.

 

 

51 minutes ago, Sugertukas said:

I normally can do 100k average on most of the ships (in general speaking). My 0.8.4 average dmg in CVs was around 100k+ with rarely less than that. I had to work for that.

Now i take any battleship or any tier 10 cruiser (like brand new yoshino today) and i can average 100k with 1 hand eating soup with another at the same time watching movie on tv behind my back.

Why on earth i should sweat and show some unicum level skills just to get that 100k in CV now while mainly you will be averaging less than that?

Well i haven't tested any tier 10 CV yet, only played Saipan once and was a bit surprised getting nearly deplaned in tier 8 match.

I don't want CVs to be OP. They weren't. I was just meeting way too many potatoes who never seen 40% win rates on their accounts. I like playing CVs because i could change thingscon the map by choosing either farm dmg or spot important target. Many ships (like zao/yoshino, conqueror) can farm dmg all day long but they don't have the carry potential. Let me remind you what was one of the main goals of CV rework - to make this class more popular and easier to play. Well they started failing on both things. And if i won't find CV enjoyable to play i simply won't. We will be back to the point where we started.

Simply saying, if i will be scoring 70k average in CVs in a good games and always end up somewhere in a middle of the team why won't i simply pick up a ship where i more likely will end up top 1?

 

1.

No Offense. But I find it hard to believe that.

100k is nothing for a CV in 0.8.4

This took no Effort.

And Mate.

I have 2k Games and a bit over 400 of that are in CVs. (About 300 of that after Rework)

You have 3 Times my Games in Total. But roughly the same in Carriers.

So Sorry. But Seriously. But dont you think you Easily Matching the Stats of the Classes where you got Thousands of Games of Experience. So Easily with a ShipClass that you only got a few Hundred Games in.

Is quite Strange ? :)

 

2.

You dont need to Sweat at all to be Honest.

It Simply has now Changed so that just like with any other Class you have to Obey some Simple Rules if you want to Succeed.

 

3.

Saipan is actually the worst Possible Choice here.

Thanks to its very low Plane Count it has Suffered Heavily from this Update.

I assume it will Receive a Buff later on. As it Suffered much Harder than other CVs.

 

4.

Well. CVs WERE Op Before.

No Offense but they basicly were the Best in Everything but Base Capture...

And Yes. You could Change things on Map with them lol.

To be Precise the CV was the Sole Dominating Factor of almost every Match because of how OP they were.

 

5.

Conqueror is OP as well :P

 

6.

If a Class is only Popular and Easy to Play because its so Overpowered that even an Average Casual Potato like me moves ever closer to Violet Stats simply by Playing CVs.

Then Sorry. But this Sucks and Should not happen.

A Class only Popular because its so OP that everyone else is Frustrated when Facing it. Might Achieve the Goal of being Popular. But it comes at the Expense of 3 times more Players Finding the entire Game less Popular in Exchange.

 

7.

Well no Offense.

But I dont have any Ship making me more Likely to go to the Top.

With CV I am almost Guaranteed to be at the Top.

With other Ships I am Happy if I am in the Upper Third.

 

You guys are so Used to a CV basicly being Dominating the Map.

That you now Feel Underpowered because this Ability was taken away from you.

But in case you Forgot.

Yes Other Ships do not have this Ability.

They cant just take out a Target on the Opposite End of the Map.

And CVs should not be able to do this either.

 

48 minutes ago, Sugertukas said:

Can i trade my Saipan for Enterprise now? :) i will add 5 pounds on top. Saipan feels like you are going against army with 3 bullets in your pistol - you just know it won't be enough for everybody :)

 

Just wait for the Next Update.

its likely going to be Buffed in the next Update and Receive more Sturdy Planes.

 

 

34 minutes ago, Yare_Yare said:

WTF are you talking about i just posted this after entire squadrons getting oneshotted by a Z52 while i was trying to strike it with Rockets, he was alone in a cap and had no other AA ships near him and i dodged Flak until i started the Attack run where you cant dodge anymore. This shouldnt be possible in a non AA cruiser.
And i dont thrust Notser in anything related to CV changes because he's a Destroyer Lobbyist and has welcomed every change in the past that made his dds more op against CVs regardless of how shitty they were. If you want CV feedback you should listen to what actual CV mains have to say about it. And again: THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE REWORK IS FOR CASUALS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY THEM. You shouldnt have to be a galaxy brain just to be able to end up in the middle of the score board after you spend half the game spotting and doing nothing because you dont need this much tought in any other ship either. In my Henri all i do is drive at max range and spam HE and switch to Reload Booster AP when i catch a cruiser broadside and thats enough to end up top of the team with 150k dmg + 9 times out of 10. CV shouldnt need any more tought then any other ship class in the game.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Sure Mate.

Sorry but then you got hit by Black Smoke.

Z52 does not have such a Strong Continues AA that it would Delete anything.

 

Maybe Post us a Replay then we can Explain you what happened.

 

 

And Yeah. You Guys never Trust anyone who Dares saying anything against your own little Fantasy World.

 

Sorry. But the Sense of Carriers is not to Allow Completely Unskilled Players to just Roflstomp Unicum Players.

If you want to be at the Top. L2P.

 

And LOOOL:

Any other Ship will DIE if it makes a Single Stupid Mistake....

CV just loses a Squadron....

 

 

And Sure.

How about Sowing us a Screenshot of your Private Stats.

So we can See how Easily you do 150k with your other Ships ;)

 

 

27 minutes ago, BackfirePL said:

In my opinion making a rework of rework is a bad idea - especially vs premium CVs. It is unfair vs players. Im angry after the patch cause this is again like the CV players are main enemy to be focused by WG. Bad, bad, f***in bad and unfair.

 

By that Logic.

The Rework itself was already Unfair to Everyone who Bought a non CV Premium Ship.

Its only Fair if its Rolled Back.

If nothing else it will be more Fair to a Vast Majority of Users.

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

On 9/3/2018 at 2:35 PM, Xevious_Red said:

I'm highly interested. There's going to be butthurt rage regardless.

Take your pick:

-Dumbed down, plays like arty/battleship "OMG ruined carriers"

 -Tweaked UI "OMG not a rework nothing has changed"

-Just as good as they are now but with a different camera angle "OMG carriers still OP and broken"

He knew....

[Culiacan_Mexico]

1 hour ago, Yare_Yare said:

THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE REWORK IS FOR CASUALS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY THEM.

Isn't that what happened?  0.8.0 CVs are easier to 'play' when compared with RTS CVs.

[peogawlord]

I just played a game on a Tier 6 Furious against bots in operation Aegis. In the game my rocket squadron was slaughtered by the first wave of 2 battleships, 1 cruiser and 2 destroyers all tier 5 within 10 seconds, allowing me to strike once. My bombers were then slaughterred by the second wave of furutaka and aobas while turning around after slingshotting. The third wave had their AA disabled so I did the majority of my damage there. During the last wave, I lost 2 of my 4 torpedo bombers to a lone Fuso. The Fuso that is notorious to have one of the worst anti air in tier 6. Before the new patch, I had run the same operation with the Furious and I had at least managed to get 3 strikes off on normal enemies and have my planes returned to me, or 3 strikes with no planes returning if I was forced to strike a defensive AA cruiser.

 

This change really hits all the tier 6 carriers hard, because unlike the tier 8 and 10 carriers, none of the tier 6 carriers have the reserves to withstand this AA buff. They also don't have the damage to justify the loss of my aircraft. Each Furious Torpedo does 3k damage, I'm not regenerating planes every 10 seconds, it's a heavy loss each time one of them goes down.

 

I only play operations in this game. Carriers are my favourite ships. I can no longer play carriers without dragging the rest of the team down.

 

If anyone says I'm crap or that I'm losing all my planes because I don't know how to play carriers, then go into that operation and try it out yourself in a Furious.

[asalonen]

1 hour ago, BackfirePL said:

In my opinion making a rework of rework is a bad idea - especially vs premium CVs. It is unfair vs players. Im angry after the patch cause this is again like the CV players are main enemy to be focused by WG. Bad, bad, f***in bad and unfair.

I'll have to agree here. Further, what I don't get is that the small changes in the new versions and hotfixes since 0.8.0.0 have generally made the balance better. Small steps in the right direction, as it should be. Then they start selling the premium CV's for real money, and being T8's not really tiny sums either.

 

Then comes a significant blanket nerf, pretty much out of the blue, after what seemed like a rushed push through PTS. How is it possible that basic gameplay elements such as the repair party of torpedo planes were just ignored? It doesn't seem to make sense, at least not with a good explanation. I'd love to understand WG's rationale here -- what's the plan?

 

I'm not arguing that CV's didn't need further nerfs. Especially the premium T8's were OP, and I've won games with them like never before. It's been a sort of a guilty pleasure. But WG decided to start selling them for 40 € a pop, so shafting customers who just bought them is not cool. 

 

Disclaimer: Haven't played a single game in 0.8.5, since out of country for a few weeks, but been reading the forum and Reddit.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

4 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

All 3 of your screenshots show full or near full RF squadrons.

The near full is only after you launched a full set of 12, meaning you actually had a full 20/20 reserve.

 

So yeah, sorry I don't believe you.

Well it certainly never felt like that at the time.

[El2aZeR]

9 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

Well it certainly never felt like that at the time.

 

Feelings and facts are two entirely different things.

Perhaps you should work on your RF aim and keep track of your reserves next time. Again, the situation was extremely in your favor and could've easily lost the enemy team the match. Enterprise has no issues combating DDs (in fact she just got buffed in that regard) and rips Saipan apart in a sniping duel as Saipan is based on a Balti hull, meaning she takes tons of citadels from E AP DBs.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Feelings and facts are two entirely different things.

Perhaps you should work on your RF aim and keep track of your reserves next time. Again, the situation was extremely in your favor and could've easily lost the enemy team the match. Enterprise has no issues combating DDs (in fact she just got buffed in that regard) and rips Saipan apart in a sniping duel as Saipan is based on a Balti hull, meaning she takes tons of citadels from E AP DBs.

Well either way that was one game I have had better in her but now it is back to BB's as my go to ships, CV's are just not cool anymore, now I know will think that is blasphemy, but in my port, they stay dockside. 

[Sanepidi]

9 hours ago, mariouus said:

the new concept is balanced

So i CV mange to do 90 k DMG average, when i am able to do over 120k on other ships is fine in your opinion?

130k Yamato

120k Stalin and cv now only around 90.

7 hours ago, Yare_Yare said:

WTF are you talking about i just posted this after entire squadrons getting oneshotted by a Z52 while i was trying to strike it with Rockets, he was alone in a cap and had no other AA ships near him and i dodged Flak until i started the Attack run where you cant dodge anymore. This shouldnt be possible in a non AA cruiser.
And i dont thrust Notser in anything related to CV changes because he's a Destroyer Lobbyist and has welcomed every change in the past that made his dds more op against CVs regardless of how shitty they were. If you want CV feedback you should listen to what actual CV mains have to say about it. And again: THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE REWORK IS FOR CASUALS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY THEM. You shouldnt have to be a galaxy brain just to be able to end up in the middle of the score board after you spend half the game spotting and doing nothing because you dont need this much tought in any other ship either. In my Henri all i do is drive at max range and spam HE and switch to Reload Booster AP when i catch a cruiser broadside and thats enough to end up top of the team with 150k dmg + 9 times out of 10. CV shouldnt need any more tought then any other ship class in the game.

Yes you're right, he was all the time aggainst CV's. He approved all nerfs and still could give some good new nerfs to apply.

 

Striking isolated ships is fine, but how oft they are enought isolated ships? Even isolated are really strong vs planes.

7 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Because at least for now.

The Times were someone would Dominate a Game just because he got a CV even if he has Zero Skills. Are over.

Zero Skills CV never dominated game.... They had like 30-60k average dmg. How could they dominate your precious games?

 

You talk about CV's and don't play with them regulary. I play all classes not only CV's so i can say how good they are in comparison with other classes now.

Yes they did in pre 0.8.5 more DMG if you were really good, but on the other hand you can't cap, ou can't tank DMG, you can only spot, but it requires yout to travel near spoted target and wait for your team to kill him....

10 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

yep so all group will die, so it is better to pre drop. without pre drop didnt have planes to do anything , just do 1 pre drop and yolo in. with pre drop I still maintained planes and did now 151k dmg on Auda. Without pre drop less than 100k cause lack of planes.

It works only when you strike single iolated targets with weak AA. If you try to approach target with mid and long AA DMG per sec around 2k on Haku, your plane or both of them will die on approach. So you are forced to burn 4 of them on strike to land 2 torps. So I'm aware of pre drop... Even slingshot with AP is not as effectiv as it was. 

 

So Mac don't teach me how to use pre Drop with your green stats and most of games on OP prem CV's in pre 0.8.5.

 

So maybe WG should give me an option to start only 2 squad's of 4? What is the point of hitting water to get rid of them for strike all the time?

 

Fact is: CV's get too much dmg now, lost planes too fast, and WG made new change ohne fixing usless heal on torp bombers. They should start wit that heal and make some changes in the concept. Maybe make planes after carrying strike faster immune to dmg?

[KillStealBoss]

55 minutes ago, Sanepidi said:

 

 

So Mac don't teach me how to use pre Drop with your green stats and most of games on OP prem CV's in pre 0.8.5.

 

 

I'm not teaching anybody here, it's just the solution for the 0.8.5 for me. Because with no pre drop you end up with so few planes that you can't even attack once with them and you have to wait few minutes doing nothing. You don't have to be unicuum to realise that and tbh my stats of dmg and PR will go down (actually in PR on few CVS I'm blue but ok) 

On overall stats of CV I was yellow. Why? On RTS I was playing a lot of fighter deck Bogue, for fun and for easy AA flags. 351 battles did affect my overall PR on CVS but I've improved it in the last 4 months. 

[Sunleader]

7 hours ago, asalonen said:

I'll have to agree here. Further, what I don't get is that the small changes in the new versions and hotfixes since 0.8.0.0 have generally made the balance better. Small steps in the right direction, as it should be. Then they start selling the premium CV's for real money, and being T8's not really tiny sums either.

 

Then comes a significant blanket nerf, pretty much out of the blue, after what seemed like a rushed push through PTS. How is it possible that basic gameplay elements such as the repair party of torpedo planes were just ignored? It doesn't seem to make sense, at least not with a good explanation. I'd love to understand WG's rationale here -- what's the plan?

 

I'm not arguing that CV's didn't need further nerfs. Especially the premium T8's were OP, and I've won games with them like never before. It's been a sort of a guilty pleasure. But WG decided to start selling them for 40 € a pop, so shafting customers who just bought them is not cool. 

 

Disclaimer: Haven't played a single game in 0.8.5, since out of country for a few weeks, but been reading the forum and Reddit.

 

1.

The Hotfixes before did pretty much nothing.

And that was Reflected in the massive Toxicity of the Community which grew ever more tired of this.

CVs being a Curse and Bane of the entire Game causing People to Quit the Game entirely because when a CV was in a Match.

The Match was Incredible Frustrating for all the Non CV Players.

 

2.

I can Explain that rather easily for you.

For the last 6 Months the Small Step Balancing basicly did nothing to Alleviate the Complaints of the Community of which over 70% clearly said that the Rework is a Complete Failure and that CVs Completely Destroy the Game now.

People have in Fact Started Leaving the Game over this. So WG likely Decided that they Should make a Radical Change to get closer to an Acceptable Position.

 

3.

Mate no Offense. But WG Also Sells other Premium Ships at high Prices.

And these were Completely Destroyed by CVs being so Overpowered.

What about these People ?

You think they found it Cool that they Bought a T8-T9 Premium Ship which they possibly even worked for like Crazy.

And then basicly ended up just being FarmFodder for CVs Dominating the Matches ?

 

 

6 hours ago, NoobySkooby said:

Well either way that was one game I have had better in her but now it is back to BB's as my go to ships, CV's are just not cool anymore, now I know will think that is blasphemy, but in my port, they stay dockside. 

 

If you only Played CVs because they were Ridiculously Overpowered then you should never have Played them at all.

 

1 hour ago, Sanepidi said:

So i CV mange to do 90 k DMG average, when i am able to do over 120k on other ships is fine in your opinion?

130k Yamato

120k Stalin and cv now only around 90.

Yes you're right, he was all the time aggainst CV's. He approved all nerfs and still could give some good new nerfs to apply.

 

Striking isolated ships is fine, but how oft they are enought isolated ships? Even isolated are really strong vs planes.

Zero Skills CV never dominated game.... They had like 30-60k average dmg. How could they dominate your precious games?

 

You talk about CV's and don't play with them regulary. I play all classes not only CV's so i can say how good they are in comparison with other classes now.

Yes they did in pre 0.8.5 more DMG if you were really good, but on the other hand you can't cap, ou can't tank DMG, you can only spot, but it requires yout to travel near spoted target and wait for your team to kill him....

It works only when you strike single iolated targets with weak AA. If you try to approach target with mid and long AA DMG per sec around 2k on Haku, your plane or both of them will die on approach. So you are forced to burn 4 of them on strike to land 2 torps. So I'm aware of pre drop... Even slingshot with AP is not as effectiv as it was. 

 

So Mac don't teach me how to use pre Drop with your green stats and most of games on OP prem CV's in pre 0.8.5.

 

So maybe WG should give me an option to start only 2 squad's of 4? What is the point of hitting water to get rid of them for strike all the time?

 

Fact is: CV's get too much dmg now, lost planes too fast, and WG made new change ohne fixing usless heal on torp bombers. They should start wit that heal and make some changes in the concept. Maybe make planes after carrying strike faster immune to dmg?

 

1.

I as Average Potato do about 90k Average Damage in CV but often only like 40-60k in other Ships.

This is just 1 Person and 1 Ship Example.

And the Overall Stats look quite Different.

If you Check the Overal Stats.

The Top5% for T10 CVs do 150k while the Top5% for T10 BBs only 130k

 

2.

Lol Yes. Since the Rework I am Clearly against CVs.

Because CVs were Ridiculously Overpowered. And Needed to be Nerfed.

By the way I am not alone. Majority of the Community was not Happy with how OP CVs were so far.

 

3.

LOOOOL.

Mate

Do you know what Zero Skill Players do in other Ships ?

0

CVs with Zero Skills doing 30-60k is in itself an Admittance that they were Overpowered as Hell.

 

And No. I dont Play CVs LOOOOOL

 

My Stats for the Few Games I played Yesterday to Test the New Update.

(Not Including the Match I had with MacArthur later)

 

And then Matches I played this Month so far.

When CVs were still Ridiculously Overpowered so that even an Average Casual Potato like me.

Which has very little Skills in this Game.

Could easily Dominate a Match in a CV even if he never had the Skills to do it with any other Ship.

 

 

 

But Yeah. I dont Play CVs Clearly xD

 

 

 

 

[Tirande]

AA is weak and the Atlanta-class can't shoot down planes anymore right? :D I should add, no defensive fire was used in the purging of these planes, nor did either CV try to strike me, they lost all their planes flying anywhere within my AA range. I don't see this as healthy balance; looking at the number of planes shot down here. Before the anti-CV zasshu crowd starts whining; names are redacted as to comply to forum rules, as you can see the CVs weren't that bad scoring above most of their surface peasants. AA was overtuned and now it's just even more overtuned and dumb..... seeing this makes me even less interested in Ark Royal; if Enterprise + Kaga can't get through a T7 CL's AA then I dread to see what a T6 equivalent of Kaga will do with ultra slow planes (yay Swordfish TBs finally... ffs WG took you long enough.) against T8 AA.

[Asakka]

I wonder how Enterprise is after this update, maybe i can make her work more or less the same way it was in 8.4 

[mcboernester]

2 minutes ago, Asakka said:

I wonder how Enterprise is after this update, maybe i can make her work more or less the same way it was in 8.4 

The Enterprise should now by far be the strongest CV thanks to her quick plane reload. But for some weird reason nobody i know wants to play cv for testing purposes 

[Asakka]

1 minute ago, mcboernester said:

The Enterprise should now by far be the strongest CV thanks to her quick plane reload. But for some weird reason nobody i know wants to play cv for testing purposes 

Yeah i was playing TFT yesterday, but i might play some E games today

[El2aZeR]

20 minutes ago, Asakka said:

I wonder how Enterprise is after this update, maybe i can make her work more or less the same way it was in 8.4 

 

Still op unsurprisingly.

In fact she got a pretty big buff both directly via boost adjustment and in relative terms as she simply doesn't care about losses, solidifying her position as the best CV in the game.

[Asakka]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Still op unsurprisingly.

In fact she got a pretty big buff both directly via boost adjustment and in relative terms as she simply doesn't care about losses, solidifying her position as the best CV in the game.

Sweet, time to meet all the returning DDs 

[80yearoldpotato]

9 hours ago, Sunleader said:

 

2.

And Mate no Offense. But BARELY any Damage from CVs is from Dots.

In case you didnt notice that. My Screenshots barely Contained any Flooding or Fires....

In that Video of Notser he Deals 80k Damage in a T10 Game and has pretty much no Dots at all.

 

Dude you need to stop spewing crap out there and stop talking about stuff you dont know. 

 In a video with "Notser" ....

Notser is a mediocre CV player so if he didnt get any dots on during the match its all on him.

 

Dots is a huge part of the CV dmg ? you want me to post screenshots of 300k games that involves so many fires and floods that you can make rivers and barbq parties out of it?

there are clearly different playstyles for different cvs Haku/midway as an example.

 

instead of watching Notser and learning from his gameplay id rather just look at a couple of El2azers videoes of big E and learn. or look at some of the old Gaishu videos. the playstyle is very much still relevant.

[Sunleader]

3 minutes ago, UltraViking said:

Dude you need to stop spewing crap out there and stop talking about stuff you dont know. 

 In a video with "Notser" ....

Notser is a mediocre CV player so if he didnt get any dots on during the match its all on him.

 

Dots is a huge part of the CV dmg ? you want me to post screenshots of 300k games that involves so many fires and floods that you can make rivers and barbq parties out of it?

there are clearly different playstyles for different cvs Haku/midway as an example.

 

instead of watching Notser and learning from his gameplay id rather just look at a couple of El2azers videoes of big E and learn. or look at some of the old Gaishu videos. the playstyle is very much still relevant.

 

Maybe you should Read the Topic instead of Attacking People just because you dont like the Side they are Arguing For.

The Claim was that CVs dont do any Damage aside from Dots.

Which is Complete Rubbish.

 

And Lol

We are Talking about CASUAL Players.

Not about the Die Hard Top 100 Players of T10 CVs which actually have Records of above 300k Damage in a Match.

So 300k Damage Games are entirely Irrelevant to this.

 

Since when are Casuals doing 300k Damage Games ? :)

[KillStealBoss]

42 minutes ago, Asakka said:

I wonder how Enterprise is after this update, maybe i can make her work more or less the same way it was in 8.4 

Saipan is doing well, 1st battle on low tiers , let's see it on higher tiers

[1MajorKoenig]

1 minute ago, MacArthur92 said:

Saipan is doing well, 1st battle on low tiers , let's see it on higher tiers

 

As top tier it shouldn’t be too hard really 

[soralapio]

9 hours ago, peogawlord said:

If anyone says I'm crap or that I'm losing all my planes because I don't know how to play carriers, then go into that operation and try it out yourself in a Furious.

 

Yeah, I did a couple of operations in my Ryūjō, and that was definitely rough -- and the Ryūjō is a much better CV (IMO) than the Furious. It's even worse in random matches where you're facing actual proper AA ships! Low tier CVs were already in a rough place even before this AA change, but it's extremely bad now. Uptiered T6 and T8 CVs are hurting massively now.

 

+1/-1 matchmaking for CVs now.

[KillStealBoss]

Just now, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

As top tier it shouldn’t be too hard really 

yes though I felt the Scharn or even Irian were melting my planes. I did pre dropping here as well.