CV Rework Discussion

[Hopeless_Guppy]

But CV's are fixed now aren't they, or is it just the MM that screws it all up, i mean..........THIS!

 

Got this earlier today, wished I could have saved myself 25 minutes of misery, well ok it never lasted that long, but in MM like this CV's are pointless

 

 

 

[Panocek]

3 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

But CV's are fixed now aren't they, or is it just the MM that screws it all up, i mean..........THIS!

 

Got this earlier today, wished I could have saved myself 25 minutes of misery, well ok it never lasted that long, but in MM like this CV's are pointless

 

 

 

Well, MM been like that for... year? Or so? Being perfect example of "buyers remorse" for T8 premium owners

[KillStealBoss]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

Sure.

I am Obviously completely Screwed now.

Cant Play a Single Good Game with my T8 CV obviously.

 

 

 

LOOOL

You bought the GZ today?

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Just now, Panocek said:

Well, MM been like that for... year? Or so? Being perfect example of "buyers remorse" for T8 premiums

I should sell them all then? lol

 

Well one good outcome i  now prefer my BB's again, see always a silver lining, also earlier today, and this will upset eh the DD purists, I was chased down on the map, by a DD which I just could not hit, ... and a Saipan, yes another CV, I thought jolly interesting idea if nothing else

 

 

DD's in their new glorious role, CV hunters, apparently most games are lost due to that one fact according to the pro's

 

[KillStealBoss]

28 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Well Mate.

Your the one Claiming that you cant do any Significant Damage to others after the Update.

And i have already Proven that I can easily keep up the same Statistics I had before the Update.

 

So there is two Options here.

Either your Lying into our Faces. And Actually your doing absolutely Fine with your CVs and still get pretty Decent Damage Numbers and Results.

Or you only Played CV in the Easy Mode of them being Ridiculously Overpowered. And now that this Easy Mode was made just a tad bit Harder you no longer can Keep up with it.

 

And well Mate.

Your Profile and Statistics are Public. But despite that. I am not Allowed to just Post them on you.

So everyone unfortunately has to go to your Profile and See for himself which one it is.

It's not about dmg but carrying potential has been lowered. It was hard to win having no logic team , now it's even harder to carry.

[Sunleader]

19 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Define "decent damage numbers and results". You can clearly have high damage numbers by farming BBs or you can have good results, coming from molesting underage boats and overall spotting work. Sometimes you can pull off both.

 

And how exactly posting ship on my forum profile interacts with my stats?

 

Well.

Going by the Average.

Before the Rework the Average for T8 CV was somewhere around 60-70k

For T10 its 80-90k :)

 

So if your getting into that Range already.

Despite not having Adapted to the new Mechanics.

Then I doubt anything is Broken.

 

Of course you wont just get your 100 and 150k Games without any Effort anymore.

Now you actually have to Choose Targets and not just Blindly Attack whatever you want.

 

12 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

But CV's are fixed now aren't they, or is it just the MM that screws it all up, i mean..........THIS!

 

Got this earlier today, wished I could have saved myself 25 minutes of misery, well ok it never lasted that long, but in MM like this CV's are pointless

 

 

 

 

Is it ?

 

 

 

I mean.

It is clearly not at the totally Screwed Up Levels you had before the Update.

Where even a T8 CV could easily gain 100k and more in a T10 Match thanks to being so Ridiculously Overpowered.

 

But its still fairly Easy to Run a Decent Game even when your T8 in a T10 Battle as CV.

 

I am very Sorry.

But it is MUCH MUCH Harder to actually do this Good in an T8 BB, Cruiser or DD when you land in a T10 Battle.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Well, MM been like that for... year? Or so? Being perfect example of "buyers remorse" for T8 premium owners

 

Dont Rue my Purchases at all lol

As I showed. My Graf Zeppelin still works Perfectly Fine.

 

3 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

You bought the GZ today?

 

No.

Had it Before the Update Already.

This is from the Recent Games Tab in the Statistics.

Its the Battles I Played Today.

Thats why its only 7 Battles as well.

I actually should have around 100 Battles or so Total by now.

 

 

3 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

It's not about dmg but carrying potential has been lowered. It was hard to win having no logic team , now it's even harder to carry.

 

LOL

Yes I hope so.

Because dont get me wrong you See.

But just like other Ship Classes cant just Easily Carry a Team.

CVs as well. Should actually have some Problems Winning a Game alone. lol

 

I do think that the CVs still have far more Carrying Potential than any other Shipclass by the way.

 

[KillStealBoss]

12 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Because dont get me wrong you See.

But just like other Ship Classes cant just Easily Carry a Team.

CVs as well. Should actually have some Problems Winning a Game alone. lol

 

I do think that the CVs still have far more Carrying Potential than any other Shipclass by the way.

 

But sometimes you can even as bottom tier. I did crazy things on Lenin or on Kii. But on new CV I dont think you could cause you wouls be having pretty low amount of planes. Saipan is a garbage now.

[Sunleader]

10 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

But sometimes you can even as bottom tier. I did crazy things on Lenin or on Kii. But on new CV I dont think you could cause you wouls be having pretty low amount of planes. Saipan is a garbage now.

 

 

Saipan thanks to have Low Planes from the Start is Surely Affected by this.

But thats an Individual Problem and can be Solved by Individually making Saipan Planes more Durable.

 

As for doing Crazy Things.

Well I do think you can Still do that as CV.

 

I had no Trouble really going to Town in a T9 Battle.

 

 

As I said.

I clearly think that CVs still have a much Bigger Carrying Potential than any other Ship.

 

 

 

[El2aZeR]

31 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

DD's in their new glorious role, CV hunters, apparently most games are lost due to that one fact according to the pro's

 

- tries to use Enterprise AP DBs against DDs

- can't hit a DD with AA on with the easiest to use RFs in the game

- uses TBs when full squad of RFs is still available

- generally bad positioning and retreat path

 

That's an easily winnable situation which could've cost the enemy team the match. That you couldn't is entirely on you.

[KillStealBoss]

7 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

 

Saipan thanks to have Low Planes from the Start is Surely Affected by this.

But thats an Individual Problem and can be Solved by Individually making Saipan Planes more Durable.

 

As for doing Crazy Things.

Well I do think you can Still do that as CV.

 

I had no Trouble really going to Town in a T9 Battle.

 

 

As I said.

I clearly think that CVs still have a much Bigger Carrying Potential than any other Ship.

 

 

 

Nope they dont have. If you have total potato yolo team you can't do anything. you can't even yolo AA ships at all, zero dmg to them can be done. It'll be more team rely ship, and I don't like to rely on some random people who can have 30k on Montana and can't hit a cruiser or shoot HE with the new AA. You are more limited now. So sometimes if you see you can't do anything at last 5 min just leave the game rather than give enemies more planes. 

[Sunleader]

9 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Nope they dont have. If you have total potato yolo team you can't do anything. you can't even yolo AA ships at all, zero dmg to them can be done. It'll be more team rely ship, and I don't like to rely on some random people who can have 30k on Montana and can't hit a cruiser or shoot HE with the new AA. You are more limited now. So sometimes if you see you can't do anything at last 5 min just leave the game rather than give enemies more planes. 

 

No Offense.

But I did Bomb a Minotaur Today.

With a T8 CV.

Surely didnt bother Sinking her. Because She Costs Planes like Crazy to a T8 CV.

But I did Bomb her :P

So I call Bullcrab on that lol

 

And I have yet to See other Ships doing 12 Kills alone.

If you got a Complete Potato Team Winning alone is next to Impossible with ANY Ship :)

[KillStealBoss]

1 minute ago, Sunleader said:

 

No Offense.

But I did Bomb a Minotaur Today.

With a T8 CV.

Surely didnt bother Sinking her. Because She Costs Planes like Crazy to a T8 CV.

But I did Bomb her :P

So I call Bullcrab on that lol

 

And I have yet to See other Ships doing 12 Kills alone.

If you got a Complete Potato Team Winning alone is next to Impossible with ANY Ship :)

def AA is more a problem. So Mino you can strike on yolo. 

 

[Sunleader]

5 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

def AA is more a problem. So Mino you can strike on yolo. 

 

 

Yes. And No Offense. But thats how it Should be.

Mino is the Freaking Strongest AA Crzuser in the Game lol.

And I can still Bomb it with a T8 CV by Yoloing Planes on it :)

 

Its not like Yoloing with Planes is the same as with other Ships.

After all you dont Die.

[KillStealBoss]

12 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Yes. And No Offense. But thats how it Should be.

Mino is the Freaking Strongest AA Crzuser in the Game lol.

And I can still Bomb it with a T8 CV by Yoloing Planes on it :)

 

Its not like Yoloing with Planes is the same as with other Ships.

After all you dont Die.

Mino best AA? no? DM with def AA on is stronger (see dpm with def AA) not mentioning Worcester that is even stronger than Mino even without def AA on. 

but you lose planes too much. I can say that the carrier has biggest spotting potential and if your team has some logic to use it and help kill off some targets then yes, you have an impact by your spotting or killing off low hp targets that have low AA and can escape and heal up. But overall carry potential like "win even though your team sucks and you are alone against 5 ships with good AA" that's never gonna happen. I'll still play carriers but I'm sure my WR on them will decrease.

[Lootboxer]

9 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Mino best AA? no? DM with def AA on is stronger (see dpm with def AA) not mentioning Worcester that is even stronger than Mino even without def AA on. 

but you lose planes too much. I can say that the carrier has biggest spotting potential and if your team has some logic to use it and help kill off some targets then yes, you have an impact by your spotting or killing off low hp targets that have low AA and can escape and heal up. But overall carry potential like "win even though your team sucks and you are alone against 5 ships with good AA" that's never gonna happen. I'll still play carriers but I'm sure my WR on them will decrease.

Play in a division. The only way to have reliable support in randoms.

 

[Sunleader]

14 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Mino best AA? no? DM with def AA on is stronger (see dpm with def AA) not mentioning Worcester that is even stronger than Mino even without def AA on. 

but you lose planes too much. I can say that the carrier has biggest spotting potential and if your team has some logic to use it and help kill off some targets then yes, you have an impact by your spotting or killing off low hp targets that have low AA and can escape and heal up. But overall carry potential like "win even though your team sucks and you are alone against 5 ships with good AA" that's never gonna happen. I'll still play carriers but I'm sure my WR on them will decrease.

 

As I said Mate.

No Difference to other Ships there.

 

You cant Expect 1 Class to be the Best at Everything.

CVs so far were that.

And thats now Gladly Improved.

[Sanepidi]

Hmm am i the only one that lose all planes really fast even when striking fat BB's withou AA?

And that usless heal on torpedo bombers hillarious!

 

Planes die to qucikly now and u hit ur reserve in early mid game aftetr striking only BB's in groups of 2.

 

Yes make thos beauty PTS test, they are so good tests to show how it will impact the game.

[KillStealBoss]

13 minutes ago, DariusJacek said:

Play in a division. The only way to have reliable support in randoms.

 

Yeah , convince your clan mates to play in cv game. Nope , forget it. 

[Bear__Necessities]

[Sunleader]

3 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Yeah , convince your clan mates to play in cv game. Nope , forget it. 

 

I assume this Attitude will stay for a While.

CVs were Overpowered for nearly 6 Months.

Them no longer just being able to Freely Choose someone on the Enemy Team to Die.

Will take a while to Settle in for most People.

[KillStealBoss]

9 minutes ago, Sanepidi said:

Hmm am i the only one that lose all planes really fast even when striking fat BB's withou AA?

And that usless heal on torpedo bombers hillarious!

 

Planes die to qucikly now and u hit ur reserve in early mid game aftetr striking only BB's in groups of 2.

 

Yes make thos beauty PTS test, they are so good tests to show how it will impact the game.

if you dont pre drop you lose a lot. I'm just flying around doing kamikaze attacks. Even on DDs. Basically no-brain dmg kamikaze weeeeeeeeee. Geat.

[Panocek]

36 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Mino best AA? no? DM with def AA on is stronger (see dpm with def AA) not mentioning Worcester that is even stronger than Mino even without def AA on

Mino have luxury of not having HE shells, thus you get free 7 points for not having to pick Demo and IFHE. So you can safely pick MAA and BFT with no penalties for surface combat whatsoever.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

 

- tries to use Enterprise AP DBs against DDs

- can't hit a DD with AA on with the easiest to use RFs in the game

- uses TBs when full squad of RFs is still available

- generally bad positioning and retreat path

 

That's an easily winnable situation which could've cost the enemy team the match. That you couldn't is entirely on you.

At that point my squadrons were  low on all planes, so I was throwing up anything I had, the TB's were meant for the Saipan but anyways, just another game, back to surface ships for me

[Sanepidi]

 

15 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

f you dont pre drop you lose a lot. I'm just flying around doing kamikaze attacks. Even on DDs. Basically no-brain dmg kamikaze weeeeeeeeee. Geat.

Pre Drop is pretty uselss now. Flaks are easy to avoid i took 90% dmg from that AA stable dmg. And it doesn't matter how big my group is. It hits al all the time one plane....

 

You can save maybe few planes on kamikaze attacks but it forces you to start each time new squad and empty all planes it takes alot time to do it

 

 

 

Pre 8.5 Pre drop saved alot of planes beacuse whol squad took dmg randomly. Now only one plane.... Flaks were always only vs players that were to stupid to avoid them.

[KillStealBoss]

11 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Mino have luxury of not having HE shells, thus you get free 7 points for not having to pick Demo and IFHE. So you can safely pick MAA and BFT with no penalties for surface combat whatsoever.

I don't pick DE on DM, only AA spec.