CV Rework Discussion

[El2aZeR]

2 hours ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I am usually able to drop and even escape the fighter if it gets popped that late without any planes being shot down. Are you sure it should get used that late?

 

It really depends. GZ (currently) will just zoom through, so even if your fighters aggro they usually won't even do damage as they can't catch up. This is the only instance I believe DFAA to be superior to the Catapult Fighter.

Meanwhile USN planes have to drop as close to you as possible so you want to have more leeway with how late you can use your fighter. DBs especially will naturally spend a lot of time above you.

Also depends on tier. Your fighter consumable stays the same, enemy plane speed does not.

 

The "wait until planes enter mid range" is more of a general guiding point rather than a fixed guarantee. The slower enemy planes are, the later you can activate, the more of a guarantee you have that they'll do something useful.

[Sunleader]

2 hours ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Fighters don't stop me either, i have my own way of nullifying them without any losses no matter where they are summoned and it's a secret :P.

But yes, even if you don't use secrets you can do many things to play around those fighter summons.

With the advice given by Air Supremacy and me however you cover the highest skillgroup (average, below average players) of CVs you will effectively repel in our suggested way and only really experienced or capable players like El2aZeR, you, myself for example will find work arounds.

 

Dont need any Secrets for that.

Its just that Fighters are not very Effective in General.

They are too short lived and too passive to be a Real Threat.

In absolute best case for the Player Spawning them. They make you a slightly less profitable target and thus cause the CV to Bomb someone else instead.

But its not going to Stop even an Average CV Player from Bombing someone.

He might take losses in doing so. But he will still be able to Bomb.

 

2 hours ago, AirSupremacy said:

Well, "Admitting" is a crusade and judgment term.

Of course, a post contributor may judge and may provide inciting provocations, but it's rather helpful to players to post constructive help and information.

I find it good to sometimes post helpful content and to battle in the game, instead of releasing frustration with degrading comments in a forum.

A meme here and there is also funny.

 

Not constructive is to invent content which was not stated by forum users,

to artificially create possible rhetoric substance in order to validate one's own viewpoint by wrongly stating:

You have made your own conclusions on my past written content, you would need to ask the forum user (me) if he agrees to your conclusion findings. Answering may depend on the possible social behavior of other users.

It is also not about winning or losing some kind of crusade with game content, it's about helping each other in the forum and to provide solutions for possible problems.

 

In hope for constructive game related future postings and no further crusading between forum users...

Happy WoWs everyone, warming up the airplanes :)

 

 

 

The Intention of the Speaker is Irrelevant to the Facts of the Written Word.

 

I had to Laugh when you said "but then you did your best" because it was so incredible obvious that basicly you knew perfectly well that if a CV wants to Bomb that guy these Fighters will not make any Difference whatsoever.

Your Explanation is the same. Effectively what you said was. That Dropping the Fighters makes you a less Attractive Target. Most CV Players will choose a different Target if there is Fighters above.

You trying to cover it up by relegating it as an Ability for better CV Players is Hilarious as well. Because its really not an Difficult thing to just Bomb a Target while Ignoring the Fighters.

You might take losses but thats not really going to matter.

 

As for being Constructive.

There is nothing Constructive to be said here.

 

CVs are currently Overpowered and Destroy the Game for everyone else.

Thats a Simple Fact.

This Fact will not Change in any way unless either CVs are Nerfed so much they become useless. Or the System is Changed entirely.

 

And I for my part have long decided. If the next Update with that supposedly new AA System is not going to Fix the absurd Situation with CVs right now where the only Fun Games is the Games where there isn a CV Present.

I will be Gone Instead.

Even now it already takes 5-10 times longer for the MM to find a Match for a CV than for other Surface Ships. Because people get Frustrated Playing anything except CVs and thus either Leave the Game or Change to CV.

And I am looking forward to the Day where CVs will even during the day end up in Matches with like 4 other Ships due to the Matchmaker running into the Time Limit.

Of course this will still take several Months thanks to WoWs having a pretty Giant Userbase to Fall back on. But unless they change something this will be where the Journey Goes.

[AirSupremacy]

My comments added below within the quotation in bold and italic.

Wishing a nice weekend.

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

Dont need any Secrets for that.

Its just that Fighters are not very Effective in General.

IMHO subjective. Fighter is effective if launched under my previous stated conditions posting

They are too short lived and too passive to be a Real Threat.

IMHO subjective. Fighter is effective if launched under my previous stated conditions posting

In absolute best case for the Player Spawning them. They make you a slightly less profitable target and thus cause the CV to Bomb someone else instead.

Indeed, can happen

But its not going to Stop even an Average CV Player from Bombing someone.

IMHO subjective. Fighter is effective if launched under my previous stated conditions posting

He might take losses in doing so. But he will still be able to Bomb.

IMHO subjective. Fighter is effective if launched under my previous stated conditions posting

The Intention of the Speaker is Irrelevant to the Facts of the Written Word.

Written words are written words

I had to Laugh when you said "but then you did your best...

Laughing is healthy

...because it was so incredible obvious that basicly you knew perfectly well that if a CV wants to Bomb that guy these Fighters will not make any Difference whatsoever.

IMHO subjective. Fighter is effective if launched under my previous stated conditions posting

Your Explanation is the same. Effectively what you said was. That Dropping the Fighters makes you a less Attractive Target.

No, I did not write that - See my previous stated conditions posting

Most CV Players will choose a different Target if there is Fighters above.

Depends on the combat situation and squadron health - See my previous stated conditions posting

You trying to cover it up...

Conspiracy believing?

...by relegating it as an Ability for better CV Players...

The ability to launch fighters is available to all CV players

...is Hilarious as well.

Laughing is healthy

Because its really not an Difficult thing to just Bomb a Target while Ignoring the Fighters.

Subjective, if it is not difficult for you - Good for you

You might take losses but thats not really going to matter.

Subjective

As for being Constructive.

There is nothing Constructive to be said here.

Agreed, I also see little value on posting which provides no idea solutions for the CV rework

CVs are currently Overpowered and Destroy the Game for everyone else.

Disagree. See my previous stated conditions posting.

Thats a Simple Fact.

Subjective

This Fact will not Change in any way...

Disagree. WG patches the game regularly for years

unless either CVs are Nerfed so much they become useless. Or the System is Changed entirely.

WG lets players know what they are working on or presents changes

And I for my part have long decided...

Your decision

If the next Update with that supposedly new AA System is not going to Fix the absurd Situation with CVs right now

IMHO pro CV players will continue to attack BB`s as their main target

where the only Fun Games is the Games where there isn a CV Present.

Subjective

I will be Gone Instead.

Ok

Even now it already takes 5-10 times longer for the MM to find a Match for a CV than for other Surface Ships.

My matchmaking is normally complete after 1-3 seconds, I mainly play CV

Because people get Frustrated Playing anything except CVs...

Subjective

and thus either Leave the Game or Change to CV.

Ok

And I am looking forward to the Day where CVs will even during the day end up in Matches with like 4 other Ships due to the Matchmaker running into the Time Limit.

Aha.

Of course this will still take several Months thanks to WoWs having a pretty Giant Userbase to Fall back on.

I find a large userbase good, it ensures the continuation of the developers work for more years to come

But unless they change something this will be where the Journey Goes.

Its a nice journey I find

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[_CR0ME_]

Got free premium for 7 days to lure me back.

Gave it a try.

Don t like the way CVs impact the game now. It is no fun( for me).

Menu Interface is still slow and unresponsive.

 Learned that something like this happened (bad update) in other Wargaming titles.

Will Avoid them in the future.

 

For those who like the rework: Have fun and enjoy it while it lasts.

 

Everyone have a nice day!

 

 

[lovelacebeer]

Thanks for all the information guys it would certainly make sense for the fighter consumable to be dependant upon the type of CV attacking me, that would also explain the wild variations in its effectiveness. 

 

Also naturally the enemy CV players skill will make a difference. I have learnt some CV captains will hang around within my AA bubble and fighters preparing to make another attack and praying to RNG hopefully he will be punished for that mistake, where as others boost out suffering minimum casualties. 

 

I think its something you just need to get a feel for, still thank you all for the replies. 

[sircomealot]

3 hours ago, AirSupremacy said:

My comments added below within the quotation in bold and italic.

Wishing a nice weekend.

You say subjective ? when every game people comment to c..... cvs, forum is filled with frustration there is nothing subjective to it.

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

I have some feedback on the AA system that was part of the CV rework. Why can't I set sectors on my CV when I'm in plane mode? <- Wait, i know why, it is a poorly designed and poorly executed feature 

 

Oh and fighter consumable = worthless. 

 

Spoiler

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Stunde, sircomealot sagte:

You say subjective ? when every game people comment to c..... cvs, forum is filled with frustration there is nothing subjective to it.

 

Just because people are dissatisfied doesn't make them automatically right LOL

[Glig69]

7 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Just because people are dissatisfied doesn't make them automatically right LOL

But if lots of players are dissatisfied, then that is a clear indication that something is wrong.  We don't HAVE to play this game, spend money on this game, so WG will need to pay attention and be careful they don't kill  the fun for the majority, to appease a small minority.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

On 5/25/2019 at 1:23 PM, Glig69 said:

But if lots of players are dissatisfied, then that is a clear indication that something is wrong.  We don't HAVE to play this game, spend money on this game, so WG will need to pay attention and be careful they don't kill  the fun for the majority, to appease a small minority.

Prove that it's lots of players.

MAJORITY? ☆

Edit*

You don't understand how complaining works right?

You don't complain if things go right and you usually never post about things you like however if you dislike something you go and complain isn't that right?

Now if the majority where dissatisfied.... we would have 100+ different users and lots of new topics each day about the bad CV rework at the minimum considering how damn big this playerbase is. We don't have that and even on reddit it's the same circle of small amounts of users complaining.

 

JUST BECAUSE YOU REPEAT THE SAME ☆♡☆ DAILY doesn't make you look like having more complainers.

 

*edit: language please.

[Glig69]

On 5/25/2019 at 1:28 PM, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Edit*

 

You can't post with abusing, can you?  Do you think that that strengthens your point?  I don't know of any CC whose opinions I trust who thinks that the current CV meta is working, I don't know of any of my clan mates who thinks its working, I don't come across any folk in game who like it .. just a few WG fanboys (girl?) like you.

 

Just bear in mind - if noone complains, then nothing will change.  The volume of complaint IS significant.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

9 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Just because people are dissatisfied doesn't make them automatically right LOL

Doesn't make them automatically wrong either. Yawn.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Gerade eben, Glig69 sagte:

 

You can't post with abusing, can you?  Do you think that that strengthens your point?  I don't know of any CC whose opinions I trust who thinks that the current CV meta is working, I don't know of any of my clan mates who thinks its working, I don't come across any folk in game who like it .. just a few WG fanboys (girl?) like you.

 

Just bear in mind - if noone complains, then nothing will change.  The volume of complaint IS significant.

No i dont think it strenghtens my point but guess what?

Your point has been repeated forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever.

So lets say you are right?

 

"You are right OH VOCAL MAJORITY, what shall we do now? Oh what can be done? Please tell us since you are so right you must know the answer?"

 

Ok, so what should we do? :P

You can pick one of the things that has already been said 10x times like the rest of the enlightened complainers ♡

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Gerade eben, Europizza sagte:

Doesn't make them automatically wrong either. Yawn.

Some can be right but you have to prove it instead of just assuming it.

Now what does any of this change anyways?

Now show me the ones that are actually factualy right and i will admit defeat ♡☆♡

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 minute ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Some can be right but you have to prove it instead of just assuming it.

Now what does any of this change anyways?

Now show me the ones that are actually factualy right and i will admit defeat ♡☆♡

I'm not here to defeat you. I'd like to point out to you though that you've become this topics most repetitive poster accusing others of using repetition to make a point.

 

Can we get back on topic?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, Europizza sagte:

I'm not here to defeat you. I'd like to point out to you though that you've become this topics most repetitive poster accusing others of using repetition to make a point.

 

Can we get back on topic?

I am simply answering your repetetiveness, how do you like your own medicine? ☆♡☆

Yes let's quickly flee back to repeating the same ♡

[Glig69]

4 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I am simply answering your repetetiveness, how do you like your own medicine? ☆♡☆

Yes let's quickly flee back to repeating the same ♡

I think this poster just gets off on abusing/flaming others. Just ignore her - she has nothing to contribute.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

3 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I am simply answering your repetetiveness, how do you like your own medicine? ☆♡☆

Yes let's quickly flee back to repeating the same ♡

Seems the CV rework is making some of us toxic on the forums 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, Europizza sagte:

Seems the CV rework is making some of us toxic on the forums 

Oh my you are right, It's xrazy O_O ☆♡☆

 

Oh yes, put me on ignore to hide my posts, you will get bored quickly believe me! It's not fun complaining without an opposition :0

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

19 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Oh my you are right, It's xrazy O_O ☆♡☆

 

Oh yes, put me on ignore to hide my posts, you will get bored quickly believe me! It's not fun complaining without an opposition :0

That's an excellent suggestion 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, Europizza sagte:

That's an excellent suggestion 

 

We finally agree *___* ♡☆♡

[EgyptOverseer]

2 hours ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Prove that it's lots of players.

MAJORITY? ☆

Another one of those special kinds aren't we?

You don't understand how complaining works right?

You don't complain if things go right and you usually never post about things you like however if you dislike something you go and complain isn't that right?

Now if the majority where dissatisfied.... we would have 100+ different users and lots of new topics each day about the bad CV rework at the minimum considering how damn big this playerbase is. We don't have that and even on reddit it's the same circle of small amounts of users complaining.

 

JUST BECAUSE YOU REPEAT THE SAME ☆♡☆ DAILY doesn't make you look like having more complainers.

Then reality hits. Do you know how many complainers have been suspended and can't post? Seen @wilkatis_LV recently?

 

Now consider the fact that despite a lot of complainers being suspended and apologists being given free reign, all forums of all servers as well as the global Reddit have the majority of new posts be about how a significant percentage of the new rework content has negatively impacted the game. Some are substantially frustrated because they invested in the game and cannot play it anymore in a way they even remotely can enjoy it in any way, others are so frustrated that they use unacceptable language, and a large part of them simply stop playing instead of knowing of or posting on the forums.

 

Ignore a significant part of the playerbase at your own risk. 

[El2aZeR]

4 hours ago, Europizza said:

Why can't I set sectors on my CV when I'm in plane mode?

 

That was actually possible during testing, so someone over at WG actively made the decision to remove it.

Take from that what you will.

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

It's alright using the forum posts as a guide, but 50% of them are rebuttals from people who are adapting to change or like the changes.

 

Of those two for and against groups I'll wager there are people with multiple posts on every single page. EU 27000 online at peak, actual unique users expressing disatisfaction on the forum? A couple of hundred per server.

 

It's not useful, accurate or helpful to start waving the 'majority stick' around. Nor the minority stick for that matter.

 

What's done is done. Observationally, there are still people here who quit in February.....

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

2 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

That was actually possible during testing, so someone over at WG actively made the decision to remove it.

Take from that what you will.

Annoying as hell, not as if it wasn't working [as intended], albeit somewhat cosmetic.