CV Rework Discussion

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 3 Minuten, mariouus sagte:

hmm... and here I thought this thread only purpose in life, is do be a dumpster, what admins can refer forum members to, before closing any other topic that as little as mentions a "CV".

 

This thread is in tire need of sub-dividing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAJAJAHAAAAAAAAAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAAA....

 

Subdividing yeeeeeeeeeeeeees ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆

 

Of course. No. not really.

 

Everything has been discussed already.

Wait for 8.4 to get new discussion material.

 

BTW did you know t6 CV premium Ark royal is coming? They are not going to remove CVs or nerfing them dead while selling them ;)

[Procrastes]

17 hours ago, GTB1964 said:

submarines soon as a counter.

I sincerely doubt that submarines, if they are ever added to the general game, will be a counter to CV:s. If anything, it's likely to be the other way around, as planes equipped with depth charges would probably be the single most efficient anti-submarine weapon in the game.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

How do you hurt a player who has lost everything (RTS CV players),
give them back something they loved... broken. (CVs 0.8.0)

[WWIIFight_R]

PLEASE buss graf zeppelin it is painful to play

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, WWIIFight_R sagte:

PLEASE buss graf zeppelin it is painful to play

GZ is going to recieve a buff to bomb penetration and aiming in the next patch.

[Elypse201]

5 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

GZ is going to recieve a buff to bomb penetration and aiming in the next patch.

and pls give hydro back

[Hundigo]

8 hours ago, Sunleader said:

 

1.

You are Threatening to Initiate Legal Action against WG despite with the Declared Target of Damaging WGs Reputation and causing a Medial Backlash on an Issue.

The Demand for not doing so is that WG Changes their Game to Suit your Taste Better and Balance CVs so DDs are not at an Disadvantage in the Game.

 

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2.

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3.

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First go to school and study laws , then you wouldn't invented stuff like what you do know. 

 

1. Using your " Legal " rights is never a treathening any company or neither a person. You may Always refer to your legal rights.

You are filling in it has to do with the CV rework and that I would asks for better balancing CV's versus DD's.  It has nothing to do with it.  The case I talk about is from a time before the CV rework. 

 

To give you an example; the looting crates. You can buy crates with the chance to have a ship or a task that would give you early acces for that ship. It was for example the case with the premium CV's and now with the russian BB's. 

In my country it isn't allowed that WG would sell this crates to the customers . The same Eula that binds you to the agreement with WG also apply's for me. 

But on general; the Eula may not violate any customers rights or  country customers protection rights. For my country it counts that WG  may not sell these crates (it's seen as gambling) . And WG doesn't do that neither. I can see the crates, but I self can never buy them, because when you press on it to purchase them, I get a message the link isn't working. WG had to do that. 

Customers rights and country laws goes above or before the Eula of any company. Every company may write whatever they wish in the EULA. There are indeed also some regulations in it. For example some notes must be in it as an obligation for every company. And one of these required notes are; " you as user may Always use your legal rights'. It's not  written in practice in these specifique words, but they must be in it. 

 

 

[Sunleader]

8 hours ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

Risky.  

 

"...user agreements don't trump consumer protection laws..."

 

Thats Correct. But Irrelevant.

Because whats crippling your Attempt here is not the User Agreements.

 

Its the Description of what your Buying.

 

Because what your Buying is a Premium Ship in the Game.

To be more Precise you Buy the Right to use that Premium Ship in the Game.

Because the Contract Actually Says that all Rights and Ownership of the Ship itself actually Remains with Wargaming.

But more Importandly. Wargaming Reserves the Right to Change or Remove any Game Content at will. And makes clear that due to that any such Premium Ships might be Changed or Removed during Game Development.

 

So as soon as your out of the Guaranteed Right to Withdraw from the Contract. You no longer have any way of Retaliating against this.

 

Unfortunately Laws for this Area are only in its Children Boots and slowly creeping up.

And most current Laws are Handling the Sale of Physical Goods or Services.

 

Both of which are not really good to Apply here.

Because on a Service once its been Provided its Void.

And you dont receive any Physical Good you could be Compensated for.

 

 

1 hour ago, Hundigo said:

First go to school and study laws , then you wouldn't invented stuff like what you do know. 

 

1. Using your " Legal " rights is never a treathening any company or neither a person. You may Always refer to your legal rights.

You are filling in it has to do with the CV rework and that I would asks for better balancing CV's versus DD's.  It has nothing to do with it.  The case I talk about is from a time before the CV rework. 

 

To give you an example; the looting crates. You can buy crates with the chance to have a ship or a task that would give you early acces for that ship. It was for example the case with the premium CV's and now with the russian BB's. 

In my country it isn't allowed that WG would sell this crates to the customers . The same Eula that binds you to the agreement with WG also apply's for me. 

But on general; the Eula may not violate any customers rights or  country customers protection rights. For my country it counts that WG  may not sell these crates (it's seen as gambling) . And WG doesn't do that neither. I can see the crates, but I self can never buy them, because when you press on it to purchase them, I get a message the link isn't working. WG had to do that. 

Customers rights and country laws goes above or before the Eula of any company. Every company may write whatever they wish in the EULA. There are indeed also some regulations in it. For example some notes must be in it as an obligation for every company. And one of these required notes are; " you as user may Always use your legal rights'. It's not  written in practice in these specifique words, but they must be in it. 

 

 

 

Mate if you cant hold an Discussion like an Adult then I am not Interested in holding one with you.

 

I told you how its going to Play out.

You dont believe me which is fine.

 

Go ahead and Try.

I already Discussed with Flat Earthers and with People which Believed they can Generate Free Energy by turning some Tinfoil into a Plasma Generator.

So I know more than well where Discussions with People like you lead to....

 

 

Greetz Sun.

[Hundigo]

41 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

*SNIP *

And you dont receive any Physical Good you could be Compensated for.

 

 

 

*SNIP*

Wrong again. The country laws and European laws apply for 'physical goods' but also for 'virtual goods'. 

 

You gonna have really to stop by pretending you know the law and the rules and the customers rights. 

 

You are not threatened,  you've been warned !!!   And WE can do even more. WE can hold you responsible also for it if you would still continue to think you know something about the laws. Inform you, contact self a lawyer that can help you in this case. He/she shall clearly inform you what you may write on a public forum and what not. Certainly when it concerns customers rights and users rights. 

 

Perhaps you think that a moderator of this forum is protecting you ? Because he / she refered to you …  

 

You've been clearly informed by me in this post. Contact a lawyer before you post anything about customers rights and users rights and certainly when you are referring to country laws and European Laws. 

 

To repeat myself again for you; The laws apply's for "physical goods" but also for " virtual goods ". 

[Sunleader]

10 minutes ago, Hundigo said:

Wrong again. The country laws and European laws apply for 'physical goods' but also for 'virtual goods'. 

 

You gonna have really to stop by pretending you know the law and the rules and the customers rights. 

 

You are not threatened,  you've been warned !!!   And WE can do even more. WE can hold you responsible also for it if you would still continue to think you know something about the laws. Inform you, contact self a lawyer that can help you in this case. He/she shall clearly inform you what you may write on a public forum and what not. Certainly when it concerns customers rights and users rights. 

 

Sure mate Whatever.

I wish you Luck on your Crusade.

 

Tell us how it Played out in a few Years then.

[AirSupremacy]

A difference remains.

12 hours ago, Sunleader said:

14 hours ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I will not quote the reply towards radar cruiser counter as it will mostly be the same answer.

 

These actions take alot of time. The BB turning away or changing course to dodge torpedos. The DD repositioning and launching, giving chase/ kiting and until either of those ships is not under each others influence a good amount of time actually passes.

 

If a CV however interacts with a target ship the interaction between that attack squadeon and the ship usually is very short.

So one could argue that a lone DD vs a lone BB influences that BB for a more prolonged time where attention needs to be paid then a CV would and a DD also presents an advantage and higher dmg potential in a single alpha hit then a CV could bring to the table.

The DD punishes mistakes harder too.

 

Of course the CV after the first attack can return with another squadron initiating the engagement again with it's effectiveness rising with the amount of times the engagement is started again which the DD can not do.

The difference now is that CV usually gets guaranteed damage off which is usually way lower then a DD potential damage on a successful punish.

Even if the CV punishes a misplay the alpha is not really much higher and the resulting dot dmg is 100% healable if consumeables are availible.

 

So a DD after chasing a lone BB for 3 - 4 minutes could potentially kill it or at least injure it. Rarely a BB can leave this engagement without injury or with having killed the DD.

The DD may or may not be able to press on the attack depending on the position reached on the map (exception ocean)

 

A CV after attacking a lone BB for 3 - 4 minutes could potentially kill it only under severe misplay on the BBs part or VERY favoreable RNG.

The BB will not leave the engagement without moderate injury.

The CV can press on easily after 3 - 4 minutes continueing the attack.

The BB can not injure the CV back without severe CV misplay.

 

 

So if we compare them, it's very similiar with the CV having the advantage if it's a prolonged engagement and the advantage of guaranteed damage regardless of mitigational movement/manual AA of the BB.

But the BB as a moving target can still cover certain distances and fullfill objectives (blocking a cap, capping if not attacked) while the CV to be able to do the same takes severe risks if untis like said BB are opposing it.

 

Also if mitigational movement combined with manual AA management is on point (BB) the CVs strike capability over time can be lessened to make it more costly than it would be for example for a DD to continue on.

A DD vs a BB can also after forcing the BB to alter it's position remove itself from the engagement and start capping with an advantage. The CV can remove it's influence over the BB to another target if availible but can't do much more then that making jt dependend on the damage dealt.

The CV hull can be used to secure objectives too but only under severe risk.

 

Same as a DD, the CV provides spotting around the area of operation with the CV having the flexibility to change the area of operation more quickly then a DD but with the disadvantage of not being able to secure objectives that way.

The CV also is not capable of spotting torpedos or any kind of smoke fire spotting/ proximity spotting via aircraft.

 

And the last point that is needed to be considered is that CVs (t10, most powerful) are usually 1 CV per team and in rare cases 2 per team.

If that one CV needs without the support of it's team under average conditions around 5 minutes to kill a BB if said BB is not able to correctly mitigate it's damage, imagine how well the stars need to align to spread meaningful damage to multiple targets of the enemy team to influence the outcome without the rest of the teams input.

The posted screenshot is my Yamato vs 2 below average t10 CVs. My mitigation skills are exceptional since i am a CV player myself and the results may indicate that i was pretty muvh immune. It was on the map Okinawa while my Yamato was positioned in between the two middle islands right in the middle of B. Isolated without any aa cruiser support. Basically the most ideal target for 2 enemy t10 CVs (Midway/Hakuryo).

This outcome would have not been possible with above average CV players on the enemy team but it tells that CV if misplayed is not as powerful as many make it to be which is important to consider while arguing about "counterplay" as there will always be more or less of that availible depending on the opposing players skill.

 

The Difference however remains.

Even in a Short Engagement.

The BB has to actually make mistakes to be Punished. And it can always counter the DD.

And if its just by not driving straight line and thus not giving the DD any hits without being close enough to be shot at.

So for this Punishment you talk about. He has to take a considerable risk to be punished himself.

 

It is not without reason that DDs are often the first ones to die.

 

 

But there is the thing.

A BB does not need to make any mistakes to be Attacked and Punished by a CV.

The CV can Attack him any time.

At best the BB can make himself a less profitable Target and hoping the CV wants more Damage thus Attacking the closer Target that he can reach easier and bomb in faster succession.

 

And the CV to do that has literally no Risk.

Hence CVs having a higher Survival Rate than all other Classes combined.

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Hundigo said:

Wrong in that. See your own previous post. Media Backlash and Public opinion would be Devastating. 

WG can never prevent it that it would go public, just by the simple fact that any courtroom judicial act is public. 

 

What is for sure, that WG shall never agree with Love&Peace and with all the posts she/ he writes that players has to quit the game when they are not satisfied with it anymore. WG shall just put their best lawyers on it , just to prevent that the courtroom and the European Gouvernement would be not the once that would accept that it would be the policy from WG in it. Because it would even harm them more if the courtroom and the European Gouvernement would accept that as the only answer from WG for it.

 

The CV rework failed because for the moment it's just in the benefit of the CV players. For WG it was even a higher revenue because they could put some ships from the past , like the Graff Zeppelin, back on sale.

 

It is not me or the other players that claimed that the CV rework was balanced and WG started to sell the premium CV's. And ones the sales period is over to change it back with the only option to 'nerf' the premium CV's and the other CV's. And just with the reason; it wasn't balanced yet, we had to something against the CV versus DD fights you know.

 

And that's just the fact; WG can never ban me, even I would claim my customers rights. That's just the case, their  Eula or contract , may not be in conflict with any customers rights of the users country laws or European laws.  And it doesn't care if I'm still a user of their "service" like you describe. I refer to the Switserland customer of Facebook. He had a case against Facebook and won it also, even he was still a user of Facebook. No one could prevent him from using Facebook and Facebook self never proclaimed in courtroom or at the European Gouvernement that they would ever ban that user. Not even when he won that case against Facebook. 

 

It would be the same here, WG shall only proclaim that they took actions against that employee of Gamesupport that wrote me that message. But WG shall never in a courtroom or everywhere else that this would be the policy of the company. 

 

And you don't know me at all. I never claimed any refund at all. It's just that WG is violating several laws and I'm reacting against it. If it would be played verry hard then you may blame Gamesupport and Community employee MrConway for it. 

 

You are indeed verry sure that the case with the prices for ingame goods violates the European laws. The rest also, I can assure you that . 

 

And it's not that Love&Peace would accept a refund in doubloons for the 150€ she/ he spend on the game for CV premiums that all the others has to do it also. 

 

 

 

 

Of course they can :)

 

I said you have no Legal means.

Not that you cant shame them ;)

 

But dont expect anything to happen on that shaming.

 

WG is not exactly known to care for such issues.

 

 

 

And you are wrong on one part.

Such a Court Case would be held in exclusion of public.

Companies do have Legal Protections in the EU as well.

And Courts will not let themselves be abused to damage the Reputation of a Company.

Even less when its an Blackmail attempt like this to force the Company to change a part of their Game.

 

In Fact. YOU should be rather careful with your Statements right now.

Because your Statements there could easily be interpreted as Blackmailing and Reputation Killing Threats.

Both of which is Punishable Offenses in the EU as well.

 

Also I am not sure about Moderation in this case.

Because there is also Laws in the EU for any Public Comminication Platforms (mostly aimed at stuff like twitter and youtube but also applying to forums) to prevent Criminal actions including Harassment and Threats including Threats of Blackmail.

 

 

Peace Out.

Finally found out what Love and Peace reminded me off xD

 

 

 

[Culiacan_Mexico]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Because the Contract Actually Says that all Rights and Ownership of the Ship itself actually Remains with Wargaming.

Off topic here, but that argument has failed in court.  Although it is very undecided where virtual goods stand in most countries.

[Ninja_Geek]

there is not one single evening not ruined by this freak cv. i don't understand the op cv in this game.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 42 Minuten, Ninja_Geek sagte:

there is not one single evening ruined by this freak cv. i don't understand the op cv in this game.

 

They work in mysterious ways ☆

[Ninja_Geek]

not to mention when i take wooster full built AA i get no cv and when i play kronstadt with no AA i get 2 devil cvs.

[Cyanide_NL]

I don't give much about all this cv ..., but give them a way to fight eachother with fighters a little more, so they have something else to do than only attack ships.

 

Cya

[lovelacebeer]

Quick question regarding the fighter consumable on surface ships;

 

when you see the enemy CV is making a run for you, what is the best time to pop the fighter consumable so it gets maximum effect? Some times I get fantastic results and they loose all their planes other times the fighters hardly do anything. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

If you can be sure that CV is approaching you do it before CV reaches 10km so the fighter is actice during aiming or before aiming starts.

It can screw with aim if it shoots down planes while ai ing is happening.

Don't wait until aiming starts. You shoot down the same amount but you don't get the chance to screw up the aim totally.

[El2aZeR]

43 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

when you see the enemy CV is making a run for you, what is the best time to pop the fighter consumable so it gets maximum effect?

 

Depends on both the type of plane and the CV attacking you.

Generally speaking you can wait until enemy planes have entered your mid-range and are thus committed to the attack. Kinda like DFAA during the RTS iteration.

Don't bother doing it against RFs unless you are literally about to die.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 21 Minuten, El2aZeR sagte:

 

Depends on both the type of plane and the CV attacking you.

Generally speaking you can wait until enemy planes have entered your mid-range and are thus committed to the attack. Kinda like DFAA during the RTS iteration.

Don't bother doing it against RFs unless you are literally about to die.

I am usually able to drop and even escape the fighter if it gets popped that late without any planes being shot down. Are you sure it should get used that late?

 

Obviously i drop without waiting for the reticle to close and boost the whole time if i see a fighter popped that late.

I have the most trouble with BBs popping early because fighter then engages during aim if i force it which leads to the wonky aim as new planes replace attack wings

[Sunleader]

13 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I am usually able to drop and even escape the fighter if it gets popped that late without any planes being shot down. Are you sure it should get used that late?

 

Obviously i drop without waiting for the reticle to close and boost the whole time if i see a fighter popped that late.

I have the most trouble with BBs popping early because fighter then engages during aim if i force it which leads to the wonky aim as new planes replace attack wings

 

Depends on the Attacker.

GZ Planes can usually just fly through by Boosting cause they are too fast for Fighters to Attack.

So unless you drop on 10km your fighters can just as well not be there.

 

Kaga meanwhile wont care if you drop 10km away.

It will drop the boost to let it recharge.

Then go for the Attack and drop the Heal while Boosting the Turn for Second Attack.

Due to the slow Approach and the Heal my TBs will usually just outlive the Timer of the Catapult Fighters.

So unless you drop late you wont get much effect.

 

Not sure for others CVs.

 

[AirSupremacy]

2 hours ago, lovelacebeer said:

Quick question regarding the fighter consumable on surface ships;

 

when you see the enemy CV is making a run for you, what is the best time to pop the fighter consumable so it gets maximum effect? Some times I get fantastic results and they loose all their planes other times the fighters hardly do anything. 

Fighter plane launch is often useful as red planes are 10KM away and are approaching your location.

Remember to have no red AA ship within 1 map quadrant distance, to avoid having your fighter promptly shot down.

 

Trigger happy to launch fighter instantly on 10KM red squadron detection if:

> You are the only ship within a map quadrant distance to the next green ship

> You have no nearby powerful green AA ship within 1 quadrant and/or your own ship has weak AA

> You have already been attacked once or twice by the CV

> If the red CV`s player profile shows a win rate of 60-80% and/or average damage of 120k to 240k in solo ( https://wows-numbers.com/ )

> If the red CV player is spending time on a circling effort to align the perfect attack run against you

 

The best CV players with +1000 CV game version +0.8.0 matches have a high damage evasion chance with red fighters, this is down to game training experience. The best red CV players can still deal ship damage with multiple green fighters/squadrons hovering above a green ship.

However, if one follows the suggestions - Then you have done your best.

 

If you sense in the match that the green CV is good, then it is recommended to move into the flight path of the own green CV`s squadrons, to ensure that a support CV squad can be dropped above, ahead or behind you.

 

A CV will either be dealing damage on the left, in the middle or on the right of the map. The own green CV will normally only drop support planes for you in one of these 3 flight path locations. These 3 CV flight path routes may swiftly alternate by the green CV during match development.

If you are on "the wrong side of the map" and not in the flight path of the own CV - One will most likely get no support planes from the own CV.

 

Deviating 1 map quadrant from the planned flight path of the green CV can often be too time-consuming for the green CV, depending on the battle situation. A big flight deviation of several quadrants will often only be given to a green ship if the green CV judges the squadron fighter drop location as very valuable.

 

It is also good to be aware of the current red CV`s attack route path, the bowling alley of destruction - If you sense that the red CV is good and systematically is taking down green targets and is not randomly attacking green ships.

 

One can also use the in-game command "Requesting AA", targeted at a nearby green friendly AA ship - But its good to be proactive and to ride along with powerful green AA ships right from the match start or if the own ship health is low.

 

It can be good to enter a game as a division with a good friend CV - Then you know what you have on your team.

 

Good luck dear Captain @lovelacebeer :)

[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, AirSupremacy said:

Fighter plane launch is often useful as red planes are 10KM away and are approaching your location.

Remember to have no red AA ship within 1 map quadrant distance, to avoid having your fighter promptly shot down.

 

Trigger happy to launch fighter instantly on 10KM red squadron detection if:

> You are the only ship within a map quadrant distance to the next green ship

> You have no nearby powerful green AA ship within 1 quadrant and/or your own ship has weak AA

> You have already been attacked once or twice by the CV

> If the red CV`s player profile shows a win rate of 60-80% and/or average damage of 120k to 240k in solo ( https://wows-numbers.com/ )

> If the red CV player is spending time on a circling effort to align the perfect attack run against you

 

The best CV players with +1000 CV game version +0.8.0 matches have a high damage evasion chance with red fighters, this is down to game training experience. The best red CV players can still deal ship damage with multiple green fighters/squadrons hovering above a green ship.

However, if one follows the suggestions - Then you have done your best.

 

If you sense in the match that the green CV is good, then it is recommended to move into the flight path of the own green CV`s squadrons, to ensure that a support CV squad can be dropped above, ahead or behind you.

 

A CV will either be dealing damage on the left, in the middle or on the right of the map. The own green CV will normally only drop support planes for you in one of these 3 flight path locations. These 3 CV flight path routes may swiftly alternate by the green CV during match development.

If you are on "the wrong side of the map" and not in the flight path of the own CV - One will most likely get no support planes from the own CV.

 

Deviating 1 map quadrant from the planned flight path of the green CV can often be too time-consuming for the green CV, depending on the battle situation. A big flight deviation of several quadrants will often only be given to a green ship if the green CV judges the squadron fighter drop location as very valuable.

 

It is also good to be aware of the current red CV`s attack route path, the bowling alley of destruction - If you sense that the red CV is good and systematically is taking down green targets and is not randomly attacking green ships.

 

One can also use the in-game command "Requesting AA", targeted at a nearby green friendly AA ship - But its good to be proactive and to ride along with powerful green AA ships right from the match start or if the own ship health is low.

 

It can be good to enter a game as a division with a good friend CV - Then you know what you have on your team.

 

Good luck dear Captain @lovelacebeer :)

 

I am not among the best CV Players in the Game.

But no Catapult Fighter has ever Stopped me from doing damage.

 

But thanks for pretty much Admitting that even if you do everything right as a Surface Ship you will still be Food for CVs.

 

Yet another time you Admitted that CVs are ridiculously overpowered right now and need to be changed ASAP.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 23 Minuten, Sunleader sagte:

 

I am not among the best CV Players in the Game.

But no Catapult Fighter has ever Stopped me from doing damage.

 

But thanks for pretty much Admitting that even if you do everything right as a Surface Ship you will still be Food for CVs.

 

Yet another time you Admitted that CVs are ridiculously overpowered right now and need to be changed ASAP.

Fighters don't stop me either, i have my own way of nullifying them without any losses no matter where they are summoned and it's a secret :P.

But yes, even if you don't use secrets you can do many things to play around those fighter summons.

With the advice given by Air Supremacy and me however you cover the highest skillgroup (average, below average players) of CVs you will effectively repel in our suggested way and only really experienced or capable players like El2aZeR, you, myself for example will find work arounds.

[AirSupremacy]

Well, "Admitting" is a crusade and judgment term.

Of course, a post contributor may judge and may provide inciting provocations, but it's rather helpful to players to post constructive help and information.

I find it good to sometimes post helpful content and to battle in the game, instead of releasing frustration with degrading comments in a forum.

A meme here and there is also funny.

 

Not constructive is to invent content which was not stated by forum users,

to artificially create possible rhetoric substance in order to validate one's own viewpoint by wrongly stating:

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

...Yet another time you Admitted that CVs are ridiculously overpowered right now and need to be changed ASAP.

 

You have made your own conclusions on my past written content, you would need to ask the forum user (me) if he agrees to your conclusion findings. Answering may depend on the possible social behavior of other users.

It is also not about winning or losing some kind of crusade with game content, it's about helping each other in the forum and to provide solutions for possible problems.

 

In hope for constructive game related future postings and no further crusading between forum users...

Happy WoWs everyone, warming up the airplanes :)

 

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

I am not among the best CV Players in the Game.

But no Catapult Fighter has ever Stopped me from doing damage.

But thanks for pretty much Admitting that even if you do everything right as a Surface Ship you will still be Food for CVs.

Yet another time you Admitted that CVs are ridiculously overpowered right now and need to be changed ASAP.