CV Rework Discussion

[Sunleader]

4 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Well, wasn't AP bomb that caused significant emotional event on Arizona in '41 basically battleship grade AP projectile with fins attached?

 

Not Battleship Grade.

But actual Battleship Shells.

They Literally used the 406mm Shells from their Battleships and modified it to become an 800kg Bomb. (1700lbs Bomb)

The Bombs were Dropped from an 3000m Altitude during the Attack on Pearl Harbor.

 

The Japanese did not have any Dive Bombers that could have Carried these Bombs.

So they Instead Mounted them on their Heavier Torpedo Bombers and used them to Bomb the Harbour from High Altitude.

So its not something that would work in the Game.

 

The Arizona was Hit and Penetrated by a Bomb which caused the Magazine to Explode while it was in the Harbour.

[Panocek]

Just now, Sunleader said:

 

Not Battleship Grade.

But actual Battleship Shells.

They Literally used the 406mm Shells from their Battleships and modified it to become an 800kg Bomb. (1700lbs Bomb)

The Bombs were Dropped from an 3000m Altitude during the Attack on Pearl Harbor.

 

The Japanese did not have any Dive Bombers that could have Carried these Bombs.

So they Instead Mounted them on their Heavier Torpedo Bombers and used them to Bomb the Harbour from High Altitude.

So its not something that would work in the Game.

 

The Arizona was Hit and Penetrated by a Bomb which caused the Magazine to Explode while it was in the Harbour.

TL'DR

where are 12k alpha AP bombs for nippons for balans reasons, obviously

[El2aZeR]

18 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Well. Thing is. As a CV what I do in this case. Is to Simply make my First Drop and then Press-F

 

True, but it still makes catapult fighters superior to DFAA as they either deny follow up attacks (same as DFAA) or shoot down some planes guaranteed (unlike DFAA).

Also DFAA can be dealt with via slingshotting. That doesn't work against catapult fighters.

 

14 minutes ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

Unless it takes longer than 10 seconds. The material itself is kinda sensitive, so it is best to not share this if I want to prevent myself from getting chat banned... Good luck at work! :)

 

It's not, but the aggro distance isn't particularly far either (3km radius last I checked).

You could still pm me the replay if you want to. Don't worry, I won't judge. :)

And thanks!

[EgyptOverseer]

Anyone who likes stats cares to analyse KM cruiser performance pre and post rework?

[KillStealBoss]

5 hours ago, Palubarac said:

There was no BB at sight, all shells, rockets or whatever it was came from the squadron. I'm pretty sure I can know where the shots are coming from.

 

And it's much easier to angle shots from a BB or any other vessel for that matter than hits from a squadron which can turn and hit how they please.

As I said mate, stock Mogami can be nuked from full hp to 0 from Enterprise bombs if he gets a lucky aim and RNG. 

[EgyptOverseer]

34 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

As I said mate, stock Mogami can be nuked from full hp to 0 from Enterprise bombs if he gets a lucky aim and RNG. 

No need for luck or aim. Enterprise can one shot a Hipper even with just 2/3 of a squadron attack.

[KillStealBoss]

1 minute ago, EgyptOverseer said:

No need for luck or aim. Enterprise can one shot a Hipper even with just 2/3 of a squadron attack.

wel I mean only 1/3 in case of stock mogami

[EgyptOverseer]

Well, I guess this is it for me.

 

There are only so many dev strikes and detonations through DefAA on ships specialised in AA that one can take.

 

I even saw someone in a GZ arguing that CVs are underpowered and have been nerfed to the ground. The Enterprise captain on his team kept silent, obviously.

 

How can it be even remotely sustainable to have a class that breaks the concealment balance irreparably, whilst simultaneously being impervious to the only thing that can spot it (planes), as well as being able to deal damage from the edge of the map (thus making so that surface ships need to get so far from objectives to pursue them that it's a loss either way), have the thickest armour exactly where all but the random shell hits from range, and also getting the most OP repair party in the game?

 

To the captain's that in these 5000 battles were always respectful and showed good sportsmanship, may you live long and prosper.

[Uglesett]

Ok, so I got a 30% anniversary coupon, decided against getting the T-61 that I'd been sort of eyeing for a while because... eh, DD with bad AA nowadays? So instead I went " it, let's just help spread the cancer"

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Now, I'm not going to pretend that this is by any means a particularly good game. After all, I'm not a particularly good CV player. But this was my very first game in a ship that I've never touched, two tiers above any other ship of the same class I've ever played. 

 

It shouldn't be this easy.

[LOZFFVII]

13 minutes ago, Uglesett said:

It shouldn't be this easy.

Frequently, it isn't.

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Here are some of my recent replays for the viewing pleasure of all of the CV haters (and CV uncums, too, why not? Give me some pointers as to what I could've done better).

Constantly bottom tier, frequently 'deplaned' (I know, it's a myth, right?), somehow constantly  missing those all-important citadel shots (even when I do it near-perfect!).

After several days of actually having some fun in CVs, today has really rocked my confidence and I'm no longer certain I want to continue climbing these tech trees. Much less actually spend money on them (I was going to buy Kaga as a captain trainer).

CV gameplay is not easy.

Spoiler

Also, I want to apologise for something I said in one of those battles: in the heat of the moment I referred to CVs as 'cancer'.

This might not seem like much to you guys, but as someone who knows people who have died because of cancer, I feel so disappointed in myself for throwing around the word like it has no real-world meaning.

I need to add this here because I feel guilty about carelessly using the word.

 

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, Captain_LOZFFVII said:

Frequently, it isn't.

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20190522_195929_PJSA106-Ryujo_20_NE_two_brothers.wowsreplay

20190522_194630_PJSA106-Ryujo_17_NA_fault_line.wowsreplay

 

Here are some of my recent replays for the viewing pleasure of all of the CV haters (and CV uncums, too, why not? Give me some pointers as to what I could've done better).

Constantly bottom tier, frequently 'deplaned' (I know, it's a myth, right?), somehow constantly  missing those all-important citadel shots (even when I do it near-perfect!).

After several days of actually having some fun in CVs, today has really rocked my confidence and I'm no longer certain I want to continue climbing these tech trees. Much less actually spend money on them (I was going to buy Kaga as a captain trainer).

CV gameplay is not easy.

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Also, I want to apologise for something I said in one of those battles: in the heat of the moment I referred to CVs as 'cancer'.

This might not seem like much to you guys, but as someone who knows people who have died because of cancer, I feel so disappointed in myself for throwing around the word like it has no real-world meaning.

I need to add this here because I feel guilty about carelessly using the word.

 

Highlighted first issue:

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20190522_194630_PJSA106-Ryujo_17_NA_fault_line.wowsreplay

 

For proper "CV OP" narrative your need Enty or Midway, not some carrier with rice fired boilers not that IJN are bad, USN are simply better/more versatile

[Uglesett]

And second game, just to get the daily win....

Spoiler

 

 

 

I mean, I can't deny that it has a certain sadistic entertainment value, but come on. I'm kicking puppies here.

[black_falcon120]

When I first got the Enty, I was doing 110-40k dmg games semi regularly easily, now it's dropped to struggling to break 30-40, no idea what's going on >_< 

[El2aZeR]

16 minutes ago, Uglesett said:

I mean, I can't deny that it has a certain sadistic entertainment value, but come on. I'm kicking puppies here.

 

Shhhhh...

Just hold on for a moment.

Breathe in. And breathe out.

Let the feeling of balans flow through you.

Now repeat after me these sacred words:

"There is nothing wrong with Enterprise. She is perfectly balanced."

Spoiler

 

[Panocek]

Just now, El2aZeR said:

 

Shhhhh...

Just hold on for a moment.

Breathe in. And breathe out.

Let the feeling of balans flow through you.

Now repeat after me these sacred words:

"There is nothing wrong with Enterprise. She is perfectly balanced."

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I'm all for bringing all carriers to Enterprise level of balans. For balans reasons of course

[Allied_Winter]

46 minutes ago, Uglesett said:

I'm kicking puppies here.

That feeling goes away after a while... I lost that during my Belfast plays in the older days. And now ... man I don't know what's more fun: Enterprise or Slava...

[Operation_Crossroads_1]

Can't wait to see what the ranked meta is going to be, most likely:

 

bow-camping BB spamming HE at other bow-camping BB whilst CV farm damage, zero movement, zero skill or influence for the other 5/6 ships on the team until the end game when the CV see who can farm damage fastest off the surviving ships and at the end one CV gains a star and one CV keeps his.

 

On the plus side it could be the death knell for the CV rework.

[MRGTB]

2 hours ago, black_falcon120 said:

When I first got the Enty, I was doing 110-40k dmg games semi regularly easily, now it's dropped to struggling to break 30-40, no idea what's going on >_< 

The Enterprise for me is a funny CV to play at times, you can have very good games, and then bad games with it. While it has more rockets and bombs dropped from each plane than lets say Graff Zep, it lacks the extra pen that Graff has over Enterprise with them to pen more targets. I also find the Enterprise, and while having more planes per squad than Graff. It struggles at top T10 matches more so than Graff planes do against the strongest AA because Graff has T8 and not T7 planes, plus they are much faster and can rush in and do a drop faster than Enterprise planes can before being wiped out. Graff can rush T10 Cruisers with good AA and get hits on it a bit better than Enterprise as a result I find

 

But overall though, I do find both CVs to be about the same really on average damage done. Maybe Enterprise just about edges Graff on average damage done per game for me, but there's not much in it between the two. I do like the fact that Enterprise fires more rockets which seems more affective against DD ships than Graffs, plus its torps are better as well on damage done. And the plane regen rate on Enterprise is really good.

[El2aZeR]

41 minutes ago, GTB1964 said:

It struggles at top T10 matches more so than Graff planes do against the strongest AA because Graff has T8 and not T7 planes

 

Enterprise planes are actually a lot more durable than GZ planes.

And funnily enough she also excels in T10 matches due to her fast regenerating reserves, ludicrous alpha strike and target preference against two of the most influential ship types, one of which is supposed to counter her, while keeping every plane type viable (meaning she gets full use out of her huge reserves unlike most other CVs where one plane type is usually sub-par) and retaining excellent impact against everything else.

 

I can assure you that E outclasses GZ at higher skill levels just like she does every CV in the game except Midway. This is a T10 CV in disguise. Her only downfalls are meh plane speed, that her DBs rely on RNG and a rather high skill requirement when up tiered. Make that last part up though and she will utterly destroy entire teams on her own.

[Guest]

So, since 2 days I am finally playing the reworked CVs after I tested Kaga at the start of the rework and... utterly failed.

So did Ryujo games to learn and today finally visited T8 with both my Shokaku and Kaga (and failed again in Kaga - I am so bad...)

But got a good game in Shokaku after some tries:

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But is was a defeat...

So, my question is:

What would people like @El2aZeR recommend that I don't waste such a game?

And I am fully aware that I didn't use my AP Bombers in this game - cause I suck at bombers the most.

Any other person also can comment on this game.

And here the final screens:

Spoiler

 

 

I also can provide my other CV games from today if you wish.

 

PS:

For those who watch, be warned that I use the weeb captain Kaga - so you will propably hear school girl japanese in the replay

 

[Hanse77SWE]

"CVs are NOT OP!"

 

I suggest we upload more screens like this to show what really happens in the game.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Slightly off topic, sort of, apart from the Kaga, does the IJN CV line have anything outstanding going for it, and that includes the top dog herself at tier 10?

[GreatVezir]

If iChase is fustrated, What about less skiled players like me?

 

Have you observed that MrConway and Crysantos in stream plays dont play tier 10 DDs in solo battle. Have seen some games in division where they had some protection from division members, but no solo game. And all is going fantastic in WOWs. CV rework is great crap but WG is doing nothing. They dont have a clue or balls to listen to players and their feedback.

[Allied_Winter]

So in conclusion:

 

- He gets focused for almost the whole game

- The CV doesn't manage to sink him with one or two strikes but devotes more than 10 minutes for that

- iChase still manages to dish out 100k+ DMG

- his team wins because the CV ignores the collapsing flank to focuse on one ship/CC

 

Or in other words: One ships "sacrifices" himself so that the reamining ships can pull the team to a win.

[ApolloF117]

57 minutes ago, tomo64r said:

Have you observed that MrConway and Crysantos in stream plays dont play tier 10 DDs in solo battle

They are not even playing the game other than in streams that are nothing , why should i be surprised if there is no steps to balance out a broken class.