CV Rework Discussion

[22cm]

15 hours ago, AirSupremacy said:

Gameplay experiences can be subjective.

Of course gaming experience is subjective, but it is what will keep the players playing the game or not. If 11 players agree that 1 player is ruining the game for them, who will you kick out if you still want to have a game? 

The RTS CV problem was that it could be countered only by another CV. 

Now CV does not have a counter at all. AA and Def AA are a joke. 

[Uglesett]

11 hours ago, B051LjKo said:

I disagree... proper maneuvering, even in BBs can mitigate a lot of damage. 

 

Even if you do manage to make let's say 1/3 of the torps dropped on you miss (which for the more maneuverable BBs is not unrealistic against a mediocre CV player, e.g. me), trying to do so just means you're exposing yourself to the surface ships on their team, and are likely to get thoroughly spanked by large calibre guns instead of just eating a few more anemic torpedoes.

 

10 hours ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I believe WG will do what they can until they are satisfied with the performance of CVs.

That's not a very good yardstick for whether or not they actually work, though.

[Taricate]

 

 

2 minutes ago, Uglesett said:

10 hours ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I believe WG will do what they can until they are satisfied with the performance of CVs.

 

They (WG) can go F... themselves deep in the a..  I didn't play a single game since "the last" rework and that will stay so !  For me there is no such game "World of Warships" - no more ! Until they realise that money can't buy respect !

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, mcboernester said:

This one's an Izumo but it hardly matters in the end.

 

Actually it does matter. Izumo has far worse HP, TDS and AA, meaning she can neither shoot down planes nor take torps on her belt to reduce damage.

Going by my previous calculation, that Izumo is obviously going to die.

[Prospect_b]

3 hours ago, Sprockett said:

i will just leave this here:

 

https://steamcharts.com/app/552990#3m

 

yea and then you click on "all" instead of "3 months" and see absolutely nothing is going on

https://steamcharts.com/app/552990#All

 

nice try though

[rjotto77]

44 minutes ago, Saiyko said:

yea and then you click on "all" instead of "3 months" and see absolutely nothing is going on

https://steamcharts.com/app/552990#All

 

nice try though

Excepting the almost -3000 player in less than a month with steep falling curve. Nice try though.

[Prospect_b]

56 minutes ago, rjotto77 said:

Excepting the almost -3000 player in less than a month with steep falling curve. Nice try though.

Excepting the fact that that all time high was straight in the middle of the carrier rework.

 

But yea, there's something new in the game, so:

[Sprockett]

31 minutes ago, Saiyko said:

Excepting the fact that that all time high was straight in the middle of the carrier rework.

 

But yea, there's something new in the game, so:

true the high was in the middle of the CV rework, as everybody wanted to check out the NEW ACTION CV's, now time has come pass and suddenly it looks like a lovely curve of average players numbers dropping, maybe not due to all the new CV players, but all the old sea dogs who are taking a break from the game, until something improves for all the Non CV players in the game. 

 

I have said this before, I am not spending a dime with WG anymore, not just the CV rework, but the AA rework, I was mis-sold ships  that were AA cruisers that now can not do shizzle.  If 1 out of every 5 games is not a CV game, then really I am only enjoying the game a 1/5 th of the time, which is not a lot. Certain not enough to spend money on. 

 

SO really time will tell, more live testing and HOTFIXES, while spending your cash on Premium time or premium ships then to have un fun game as you get murdered by CV's.  NO Fun = NO spend...

 

Luckily I have played this game for a while have wide collection of ships, premium and tech tree and am skilled enough that I can make a standard account work, but If I was say 5/6 mths into this game I would certainly be struggling to find enjoyment in this game in its current meta... 

 

But hey what do I know, CV's players are going to love there shiny planes and op nature until they are not.. 

 

It is all in WG hands, the only thing we can do is not spend money 

[black_falcon120]

I was thinking about how to give carriers more utility for the team rather than just raw damage so what do people think about replacing the fighter with an air dropped smoke?

[Sprockett]

Give them fighters that can be controlled to counter strike aircraft, stop fighter spotting, add proper Spotting planes for CV as a Consumable, give CV limited strike load out!

[black_falcon120]

3 minutes ago, Sprockett said:

Give them fighters that can be controlled to counter strike aircraft, stop fighter spotting, add proper Spotting planes for CV as a Consumable, give CV limited strike load out!

It doesn’t encourage ‘joining’ the team, it would still turn into a DPS race.  Adding smoke would encourage teamwork.  

 

Being a a fighter plane would not be fun to just chase enemy planes.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

☆ The time is ripe for some fun! ☆

All the tears that have been shed. 8.4 is upon us and after it hits we hit back! ☆

Midway has gathered a bit to much dust so let's have some party soon! ♡

Player numbers aren't going to go anywhere and the money spending won't be a problem either because WG isn't going to sweat over what's happening in this thread! ☆

Let's try to love each other again and bring some peace to the forums! ☆

I'm offering free hugs! ☆

Celebrate the rework with me, let's division up! ♡

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The enemy team waits to get shown what's possible with unifying love! ♡

A message that needs to be spread to every player there is about the power of CV and we will be the messengers so this thread gets what it deserves... which is some love ♡

 

To all who have hate in their hearts i ask you to follow me into battle! ♡

Let me show you that all hope is not lost! ☆

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It will go like this! ☆

First we announce that we'll have a great party with the enemy team. Then you tell me where you go and i clear the way like the professional kill stealer i am and we aim straight for victory! In 10 minutes we will have done away with half of the enemy teams hp while the enemy CV will stare totally dumbfunded at his sinking comrades! Ontop of all this we earn ourselves some AMAZING karma points! And we never forget to compliment all 9 teammembers who unfortunetly couldn't joim pur glorious division! ♡

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Limitless pain, absolute destruction. Oil ontop of the waves infront our bows! No camping just capping. Noone left alive, no DD unspotted. Torp the BBs, kill the engines, kill the steering, spam the fighters over their heads. Detonate them, ram them, set 4 fires and 2 floods. Report them for misbehavior in chat and call for Love and Peace!

 

Today.. join me and make them cry! ☆

But no despacito pls

[DFens_666]

13 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

I was thinking about how to give carriers more utility for the team rather than just raw damage so what do people think about replacing the fighter with an air dropped smoke?

 

My thinking aswell, thats why i opened a thread couple of days ago (need to get back to that, but no time so far). Problem i see is, that any action, which relies on the CV player to do anything, will not achieve the result you are hoping for.

Majority of CV players would simply smoke their own CV, ignoring other teammates. Small amount of CV players might randomly drop some smoke, which potentially might even benefit the enemy. And even less players might even have the ability to understand, which ship would benefit from a smoke screen in the first place (then they still need to fly their, reducing their own damage output).

My idea was, that surface ships get extra, plane-based consumables when a CV is in the game, which they can activate themselves. No need for the CV player to do anything, and it would feel like a CV being in the game is giving me a benefit.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, DFens_666 sagte:

CV being in the game is giving me a benefit. 

That's a cool idea! ♡

Like a permanent perk availible as long as the CV is alive! ☆

I will stay alive just for you ♡

[DFens_666]

Just now, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

That's a cool idea! ♡

Like a permanent perk availible as long as the CV is alive! ☆

I will stay alive just for you ♡

 

Even protecting your own CV would make sense in that case I mean, i try to do it anyway, but most people throw their CVs under the bus.

[black_falcon120]

5 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

My thinking aswell, thats why i opened a thread couple of days ago (need to get back to that, but no time so far). Problem i see is, that any action, which relies on the CV player to do anything, will not achieve the result you are hoping for.

Majority of CV players would simply smoke their own CV, ignoring other teammates. Small amount of CV players might randomly drop some smoke, which potentially might even benefit the enemy. And even less players might even have the ability to understand, which ship would benefit from a smoke screen in the first place (then they still need to fly their, reducing their own damage output).

My idea was, that surface ships get extra, plane-based consumables when a CV is in the game, which they can activate themselves. No need for the CV player to do anything, and it would feel like a CV being in the game is giving me a benefit.

The point is I don’t think it’s healthy for damage to be the only metric of a CVs success.  I don’t look at my team at all when flying and I don’t need to.  I love current CVs but I don’t thing this is healthy for the game

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Gerade eben, DFens_666 sagte:

 

Even protecting your own CV would make sense in that case I mean, i try to do it anyway, but most people throw their CVs under the bus.

I'm an Independent strong free woman i don't need any protection rather i will protect you from all evil and all bombs and torps and rockets and shells and hydro and radar and spotter planes and proximity spotting. ☆♡☆

I will even secure that ship you dealt 90% hp damage to! ☆

Let's division today and spread love ♡

In around 3 - 4 hours!

[Sunleader]

4 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I'm an Independent strong free woman i don't need any protection rather i will protect you from all evil and all bombs and torps and rockets and shells and hydro and radar and spotter planes and proximity spotting. ☆♡☆

I will even secure that ship you dealt 90% hp damage to! ☆

Let's division today and spread love ♡

In around 3 - 4 hours!

 

I am somehow not really feeling Safer knowing that...

 

 

 

[22cm]

28 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

I am somehow not really feeling Safer knowing that...

 

Yes, I suspect his sexual tastes too... 

[Teekesselchen]

On 5/20/2019 at 8:20 AM, mcboernester said:

I already showed the reason for that a few times. The bottom tier players actually got worse with the new cv concept because they cannot perform autodrops anymore. As a follow up from that you can find various guys with 10-20k average damage on a tier 10 cv. However good cv players still do their thing, most of the time even with far higher scores than on the rts concept, which shows in the PR. Since the calculation comes mostly from 50% dmg done 30% kills and 20% win you can see that the PR for "the same" values as on rts is far higher now ( for example 3k instead of of 2.2k on old system).  

 

 

Yeah the skill gap is alive and well:

[Uglesett]

54 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

I am somehow not really feeling Safer knowing that...

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 9 Minuten, Teekesselchen sagte:

 

Yeah the skill gap is alive and well:

Are those your stats in audacious?

How?!

[black_falcon120]

34 minutes ago, 22cm said:

Yes, I suspect his sexual tastes too... 

I’m always cynical when someone claims to be female, the real ones keep it quiet to avoid harassment.

 

OT I would do but my midway is also getting dusty and we can’t division :(

[AirSupremacy]

4 hours ago, rjotto77 said:

Excepting the almost -3000 player in less than a month with steep falling curve. Nice try though.

 

7 hours ago, ApolloF117 said:

 

everyone having fun with the new update looks like, thats why active player number is droping

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People come to this thread to attack others personally,

its such a funny thread of whining and ranting.

 

Do something which is fun, try to excel in the world or in the game or at least contribute something productive

instead of spreading myths.

Wishing everyone a nice time :)

 

https://steamcharts.com/app/552990#All

 

 

 

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 22 Minuten, AirSupremacy sagte:

 

 

People come to this thread to attack others personally,

its such a funny thread of whining and ranting.

 

Do something which is fun, try to excel in the world or in the game or at least contribute something productive

instead of spreading myths.

Wishing everyone a nice time :)

 

https://steamcharts.com/app/552990#All

 

 

 

 

 

You are such a troll ☆

posting steam player stats and swapping the green with the red colors ♡