CV Rework Discussion

[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

There will never be counter play availible against unicum CVs. You will get options that will reduce the strike capability but that's ut.

that is to ensure that even weaker players can do at least something against the best possible AA defense.

 

You are arguing against something you cannot beat and that is WG's vision of CVs.

 

Good luck.

 

Which is why the current System is Crab and needs to be changed.

 

The Poisen in the Well is exactly this fact of helplessnes that other Ships have when dealing with CVs.

 

Because as long as this persists.

The Toxicity will only get worse and worse no matter what tweaks WG makes.

 

 

 

[B051LjKo]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Maybe git gud then.

If it was that easy to do 30K dmg every 1.5 minutes, you wouldn't be averaging 100K in Enterprise, but closer to 300K

[Hundigo]

see below, I didn't quoted here , so I deleted. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 2 Minuten, Sunleader sagte:

The Toxicity will only get worse and worse no matter what tweaks WG makes.

Toxicity has no excuses. You can be dissatisfied but being toxic is the wrong way to go about this. And if people continue being toxic they will be dealt with accordingly.

And by toxic i mean: Sabotaging games, being overly offensive ingame chat, being offensive in the forums, deliberately spamming.

This is NOT okay and can not be excused.

[Hundigo]

8 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

No, i want CVs to stay. I will not convince anyone. I believe WG will do what they can until they are satisfied with the performance of CVs.

I'm perfectly fine with any tweaks because i will always find a way to effecticely play my favorite shipclass.

And i will not stop suggesting towards toxic crybabies to stop playing.

Because poisoning the well because you are dissatisfied with your food is never the right solution.

What will get fixed is the poisoned well and the reason why it is and not the food that you don't like.

The CV's shall stay, it are the none  CV players that leaves the game 

[El2aZeR]

9 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

If it was that easy to do 30K dmg every 1.5 minutes, you wouldn't be averaging 100K in Enterprise, but closer to 300K

 

Newsflash:

While it wins matches going after DDs first and foremost doesn't tend to give the best average damage. In fact funnily enough that's the sole reason why my average is so low compared to some of the others. I often win matches so fast I don't get the time to damage farm.

 

And I fail to see how my average damage has anything to do with your inability to hit maneuvering targets.

[MRGTB]

Enterprise does more damage on average than my Graff Zep. Bought Enterprise last week and have been switching between playing Graff Zep and Enterprise. Seems Enterprise is capable of doing more damage consistently per match than Graff Zep, mostly I think because the torps do more damage with Enterprise, and it has more rockets and AP bombs to fire. So it just gets more hits and does more damage overall than my Graff does, which seems lacking in comparison because it only has a few AP bombs and rockets fired per salvo.

 

Funny thing is, I still kinda prefer playing the Graff Zep over Enterprise, mostly because of the faster planes it has. But after the speed nerf comes, there won't be any reason to play Graff Zep over Enterprise.

[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, B051LjKo said:

Not really true, at least a thousand of battles in other classes, recently I do play CVs only, that is correct

If you were guaranteed a damage, your average on tier 8 carriers would not be 60K of damage.

That is the reason you have up to 6 per side, with CVs it is only one or two.

Reality check, CV is a ship.

 

 

1.

I am not allowed to shame you on your stats.

Thats all I.ll say to this.

2.

Well. I am.

My Average for T8 CVs is 86k I think.

And I have provided prove that I can easily do about 100k in T10 Matches despite being just Tier 8.

How about you play some Games in a T8 BB and see if you can get a Performance even remotely close to what a Noob like me can do with a CV ?

3.

Which is again you Admitting that CVs are Overpowered as hell :)

4.

A Ship not usually in Firing Range of other Ships. :)

 

 

Dont you even realize that your completely embarassing yourself here...

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Toxicity has no excuses. You can be dissatisfied but being toxic is the wrong way to go about this. And if people continue being toxic they will be dealt with accordingly.

And by toxic i mean: Sabotaging games, being overly offensive ingame chat, being offensive in the forums, deliberately spamming.

This is NOT okay and can not be excused.

 

We had this Argument already.

Lets not Repeat that.

 

To begin with there being an excuse or not is Irrelevant anyways.

I am merely telling you about the Reality we got.

 

And that Reality is. That as long as Players are forced to play the Turkey in a Turkeyshoot for CVs.

Toxicity and Hostility will only keep getting worse.

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 5 Minuten, Sunleader sagte:

Toxicity and Hostility

Both those things is a choice not a consequence.

People choose to be toxic, the CVs are not forcing them to be.

 

But you are right. As long as people have a reason they can choose to be toxic.

 

[B051LjKo]

18 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

1.

I am not allowed to shame you on your stats.

Thats all I.ll say to this.

Please do if that will make you happy, I really do not have an issue with that...

18 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

2.

Well. I am.

My Average for T8 CVs is 86k I think.

great, bove average, but nothing spectacular.

18 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

And I have provided prove that I can easily do about 100k in T10 Matches despite being just Tier 8.

If you could easily to 100K in a Tier X match with a kaga, you wouldn't be averaging 86K

 

18 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

How about you play some Games in a T8 BB and see if you can get a Performance even remotely close to what a Noob like me can do with a CV ?

3.

Which is again you Admitting that CVs are Overpowered as hell :)

4.

A Ship not usually in Firing Range of other Ships. :)

 

 

Dont you even realize that your completely embarassing yourself here...

I don't feel embarrassed 

18 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

And that Reality is. That as long as Players are forced to play the Turkey in a Turkeyshoot for CVs.

Toxicity and Hostility will only keep getting worse.

 

 

Noone is forced to do anything. If you dislike the game, play something else. I don't see a problem there

[B051LjKo]

28 minutes ago, GTB1964 said:

Enterprise does more damage on average than my Graff Zep. Bought Enterprise last week and have been switching between playing Graff Zep and Enterprise. Seems Enterprise is capable of doing more damage consistently per match than Graff Zep, mostly I think because the torps do more damage with Enterprise, and it has more rockets and AP bombs to fire. So it just gets more hits and does more damage overall than my Graff does, which seems lacking in comparison because it only has a few AP bombs and rockets fired per salvo.

 

Funny thing is, I still kinda prefer playing the Graff Zep over Enterprise, mostly because of the faster planes it has. But after the speed nerf comes, there won't be any reason to play Graff Zep over Enterprise.

From my experience, Graf is far behind both Big E and Saipan...

[B051LjKo]

 

39 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

While it wins matches going after DDs first and foremost doesn't tend to give the best average damage.

Newsflash, doing 300K of damge per game will win you the game more often than hunting DDs... 

 

39 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

In fact funnily enough that's the sole reason why my average is so low compared to some of the others. I often win matches so fast I don't get the time to damage farm.

You-re in a league of your own.

39 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

And I fail to see how my average damage has anything to do with your inability to hit maneuvering targets.

If I was unable to hit a maneuvering target I wouldn't be averaging 30% more damage per game in my Saipan then you in your beloved Enterprise. And you are suppose to be the best of the best.

I was just saying that BBs can maneuver their way out of receiving all torps from all possible runs with a semi decent captain behind the helm.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 7 Minuten, B051LjKo sagte:

Newsflash, doing 300K of damge per game will win you the game more often than hunting DDs... 

 

Vor 8 Minuten, B051LjKo sagte:

You-re in a league of your own. 

Sry i had to point that one out ☆♡☆

[Hundigo]

7 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

 

If I was unable to hit a maneuvering target I wouldn't be averaging 30% more damage per game in my Saipan then you in your beloved Enterprise. And you are suppose to be the best of the best.

I was just saying that BBs can maneuver their way out of receiving all torps from all possible runs with a semi decent captain behind the helm.

But not the other attacks from your other teammates, because you've spotted him and he has to manouvre because of your actions. Something they shouldn't have to do before. And not only while you attack that target, he stays spotted also for the next 20 seconds after your whole attack run on him. 

And now you tell here it has only to do with a "semi decent captain " ? 

 

It's just that you don't wish that CV's would be nerfed too much for your pleasure, instead of looking at the totall game . 

 

[Sunleader]

4 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

Please do if that will make you happy, I really do not have an issue with that...

great, bove average, but nothing spectacular.

If you could easily to 100K in a Tier X match with a kaga, you wouldn't be averaging 86K

 

I don't feel embarrassed 

Noone is forced to do anything. If you dislike the game, play something else. I don't see a problem there

 

1.

You might not.

But the Mods unfortunately do.

2.

Which is another Joke.

Because CVs are so Overpowered that basicly Killing a T10 Battleship in a T8 CV each round is not even worth mentioning.

As I said.

How about you play some Matches with T8 BB and show us the results ?

3.

Well Fact is I can lol.

And I have proven it already.

Dont Forget I only got like 20 something Games.

So it also counts Matches where I didnt even know how much to lead an Enemy Ship.

But again.

How about you show us your BB Skills.

After all your claiming CVs aint OP.

So you should easily reach my 86k Average with a BB right :)

4.

Well. If you dont mind People laughing about you thats fine I guess.

5.

I am actually.

Since CV Rework ruined the Game I am barely Playing anymore.

In the whole Time since the Rework.

I played less Matches than in a Single Month before the Rework.

And thats also what others will do over time.

 

 

And once that Shift happens.

WG will nerf CVs into oblivion.

 

But shofting the hate around wont really help you know :)

 

[Guest]

@El2aZeR

After the Yamato example a few sites ago from Teekesselchen we also had the discussion in german forum that the Yamato would have died even sooner in old RTS CVs.

And that's something I can't really belief.

I have at least a decent amount of games in old RTS style up to Haku and more than enough games in Yammi to know, what it meant when Haku or Taiho came for me.

And used DCP management, Heal and most importantly my super torpedo bulge to survive for example 3 Taiho waves.

So why is it that (nearly) everyone thinks that old CVs could kill battleships faster?

[El2aZeR]

18 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

Newsflash, doing 300K of damge per game will win you the game more often than hunting DDs... 

 

Says the guy doing 30% more damage yet lagging 10% behind in WR.

And that's despite me having 4x your matches played.

 

18 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

If I was unable to hit a maneuvering target I wouldn't be averaging 30% more damage per game in my Saipan then you in your beloved Enterprise. And you are suppose to be the best of the best.

 

So now it is impossible to miss a maneuvering target. Nice of you to finally admit it.

Only to contradict yourself again in your following sentence.

 

1 minute ago, Alipheese_XV said:

So why is it that (nearly) everyone thinks that old CVs could kill battleships faster?

 

Because they're ed.

[B051LjKo]

6 minutes ago, Hundigo said:

It's just that you don't wish that CV's would be nerfed too much for your pleasure, instead of looking at the totall game . 

 

It is impossible to balance a CV that can meet both Tier 6 and Tier X opponents. That is the main problem. The first thing they need to do is +/1 matchmaking for CVs, and then play with the fine tuning. Right now, Tier XIII CVs can do ok in a Tier X battle, and will chrush any Tier 6 opponent like a bug.

[B051LjKo]

6 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Says the guy doing 30% more damage yet lagging 10% behind in WR.

And that's despite me having 4x your matches played.

That is because I am not capable of doing 300K of damage every game. You, as your own admission can do it, but chose not to and went with harassing DDs instead. Not a wise decision imho, you would push that win rate as high as 95% in Big E with 300K on average, undoubtedly.  

6 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

So now it is impossible to miss a maneuvering target. Nice of you to finally admit it.

Only to contradict yourself again in your following sentence.

Nope, what I said is that it is not easy to land every torpedo of every run on a maneuvering target that knows what he is doing. English is not my first language, but it cant be that hard to understand...

[EgyptOverseer]

Essentially a handful of CV apologists spamming the thread to disperse those that come to it expressing their frustration. Nothing new here. Those that truly understand how OP a ship is will always do their best to keep its strengths. In this case, it's just unfortunate that they are willing to pay whatever price, even encouraging players to stop playing.

 

We all had our frustrations grinding ship lines in MMs infested with Kamikazes driven by 19 point sealclubbers with radio location. The same frustrations we had when grinding T6s and getting an enemy Belfast smoke radar even when you had the solitary non-T8 match.

 

What effectively makes this the biggest dumpster fire of a rework is the fact that the developer is completely oblivious of the impact of these mechanics on the meta, to the point of launching it on the live servers and following it with a series of desperate extreme stat/mechanic adjustments, even to the point of considering making ships effectively invisible. How OP and broken is a ship class if one of the ways considered by the developers to reduce their overpowering impact is to make enemies completely invisible? What does that tell you about the dire straights facing this community?

 

Oh well. Too bad WG would only take this seriously if people stopped paying and/or playing, because there will always be someone willing to pay as long as there is a ship/class in a premium shop capable of returning guaranteed performance.

 

Again, the amount of matches where the last survivors are the CVs shows how this game has effectively turned into a reboot of WoWp.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Minute, EgyptOverseer sagte:

encouraging players to stop playing. 

Show me prove of the encouragement ☆♡☆

[El2aZeR]

3 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

That is because I am not capable of doing 300K of damage every game.

 

And yet despite doing more damage than me you're winning less. Doesn't that contradict your narrative?

Or to put things into perspective, there are people in the Midway doing literally 50-100k more damage than me in mine and yet have vastly inferior WR. How do you explain that?

 

6 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

Nope, what I said is that it is not easy to land every torpedo of every run on a maneuvering target that knows what he is doing.

 

Yet apparently you're good enough to do it on a consistent basis as by your own admission. That should make it easy enough for any similarly or higher skilled player.

[Gl0cK_17]

Give bombers a limited flight duration, as to simulate onboard fuel. Bombers that dont reach the CV back before the fuel/time runs out are lost ofc.

balance it in such a way that if a CV want to get all his strikegroups safely back before the fuel runs out he will have to sit alot closer to the action.

that will atleast force the CVs out from safely sitting at the backline.

 

Because that is the biggest gripe everyone has against CVs, they dont need to risk flipping thing to ruin someone else his game.

[Hundigo]

[B051LjKo]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

And yet despite doing more damage than me you're winning less. Doesn't that contradict your narrative?

Not at all, I average a meager 135K for the win rate of 71%... If I could push the limit to 300K, I am sure I would go over 90% in win rate. And I play solo randoms 99% of time.

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Or to put things into perspective, there are people in the Midway doing literally 50-100k more damage than me in mine and yet have vastly inferior WR. How do you explain that?

Tier X is a different arena.

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Yet apparently you're good enough to do it on a consistent basis as by your own admission. That should make it easy enough for any similarly or higher skilled player.

I can land all of them with no issues against a potato captain. Good ones are a bigger challenge, and it is extremely difficult, if not impossible to score 3 x 4 torps in a single attack run.