CV Rework Discussion

[KillStealBoss]

2 hours ago, Operation_Crossroads_1 said:

Flamu now calls himself "deleteCV":

 

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Jingles says the only games worth showing are the ones without CV.

 

That's two of the biggest most well known community contributors saying the CV rework is gamebreaking

 

I don't think WG HQ are going to put up with this for long.

 

 

 

Flamu became boring with his CV approach. Ok, uhm, we know that he's anti-cv. ok anything else?

He is doing this for the viewers who subscribe his channel for 12-15 months and yeah he's happy. Using CV rework and the CV hate to make money. Good business. 

[KillStealBoss]

6 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Its not that I dont get your Point.

Its just that your Point is not really working.

Because Dropping Fighters is not Discouraging anyone from Bombing lol.

 

Actually its the Opposite.

When I see an CV Dropping Fighters somewhere. I actually Explicitly Fly there with my Bombers.

Because I know that Nice CVs often Drop Fighters to Protect their DDs.

Thus if I fly there with my Bombers I might be able to Kill a DD lol.

 

 

 

If the DD is smart then he smokes up and my fighters may kill your planes. I don't put them in same second as I see enemy planes. I do that way before and they are active.

 

Ah , you play a Kaga. Ok nevermind. Play a Saipan then, you won't waste your planes in such rate. Kaga is just stupid and I do play her. I'm talking overall CV , Kaga is different story.

[B051LjKo]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

1.

Except it is what happens lol.

 

2.

Erm Mate. Maybe Read my Post. I said I do Unicum Matches in my Kaga.

Not that I am Unicum.

The Fact that I am just a Casual Scrub with Average Skills is exactly the Point here.

Because a Casual Scrub with Average Stats like me can still run Unicum Stats in a Goddamn CV without Problems.

 

But you dont have Unicum stats, you are an average player, with slightly below average stats. That will probably settle down when given enough battles...

 

 

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3.

Why would I ?

I am not Aiming for Frags.

And I explicitly dont Attack Targets at low Health unless they got close to me.

It would be a waste of a Bomb Strike.

 

Your damage output is not Unicum level, and neither are your frags...

 

 

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4.

Ok.

I am usually not going after the Blob cause its usually too far away.

But I.ll on Purpose Attack Blobs again this Week to get a Replay to Prove to you that a Blob is barely an Hindrance.

 

Kaga can not attack blobs in tier X, not possible. Try attacking a single Minotaur and you will see what I am talking about.

 

[xxNihilanxx]

8 hours ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

You have waited this whole time to finally be able to do that haven't you? O___O

I need to be careful around you too.... ☆♡☆

 

It's not so much that, it's more a case of when I get into discussions I do people the courtesy of actually paying attention to what they say so as to understand their point of view, rather than just looking for a single point I can disagree with or twist to suit my purposes like so many others you meet. That and I have a really good memory.

[Sunleader]

54 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

If the DD is smart then he smokes up and my fighters may kill your planes. I don't put them in same second as I see enemy planes. I do that way before and they are active.

 

Ah , you play a Kaga. Ok nevermind. Play a Saipan then, you won't waste your planes in such rate. Kaga is just stupid and I do play her. I'm talking overall CV , Kaga is different story.

 

Good enough for me.

Then he wasted his smoke and I attack a different target.

 

Fighters wont do anything cause he smokes I dont fly into the fighters.

If he smokes after I already bombed its useless.

 

 

And Yep.

Kaga got pretty sick Reserves of Aircraft.

Which allows alot more leeway.

 

 

That reminds me.

Is Graf Zeppelin still able to just Outrun Fighters with its Bombers?

I dont have it. So I cant test it.

 

 

42 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

 

But you dont have Unicum stats, you are an average player, with slightly below average stats. That will probably settle down when given enough battles...

 

 

 

Your damage output is not Unicum level, and neither are your frags...

 

 

 

Kaga can not attack blobs in tier X, not possible. Try attacking a single Minotaur and you will see what I am talking about.

 

 

1.

I think I just posted a Screenshot where it says Super Unicum on my recent CV Matches.

I never claimed my Average Stats are Unicum.

Just that I can currently easily get Unicum Matches :)

 

So your Argument is invalid.

Albeit its funny how you just ignore that part and try to sweep it under the rug *gg*

 

2.

Nope.

My Average for the like 20-30 Games is only 86k.

It still includes my first few post Rework Matches where i often put Torps into Yellow line.

It also includes me just killing Enemy Carrier or just providing Fighter Support.

Which is still far more than an below average casual like me should archieve after not even 50 games with a CV dont ya think :)

 

3.

Actually did several times.

Not a problem unless you try with Rocket Planes.

Costs alot of planes of course but my Reserves are Big you know :P

 

Well no worries.

As I said. Might take a bit as I dont play so many Games that I can reliably guarantee to meet a certain ship in a day or 2.

But next Mino I see. I will Focus Bomb just for you.

[KillStealBoss]

7 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Good enough for me.

Then he wasted his smoke and I attack a different target.

 

Fighters wont do anything cause he smokes I dont fly into the fighters.

If he smokes after I already bombed its useless.

 

 

And Yep.

Kaga got pretty sick Reserves of Aircraft.

Which allows alot more leeway.

 

 

That reminds me.

Is Graf Zeppelin still able to just Outrun Fighters with its Bombers?

I dont have it. So I cant test it.

 

 

 

 

Yes GZ can do it. but yeah DD smokes up, caps the base and my fighter spots for him. Win win for me and him in fact. Because I'm not playing only for damage itself won't make you better player. Helping you team and in fact killing off low hp targets wins the battles. Damage is a secondary thing for me at least.

[Arty_McFly]

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Arty_McFly

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 53 Minuten, Sunleader sagte:

Good enough for me.

Then he wasted his smoke and I attack a different target.

 

This right here is why going for fighter support on your own team is the most useless thing you can do. ☆

Because you just waste your time getting to your teammate and dropping the fighter while the enemy CV just needs to change and attack a different target which is pretty easy to do.

"But at least my DD stays alive right?"

Who cares. DDs are easy targets. And they are easier to kill endgame when there is less support for them.  Big bonus if you make them use a smoke while you pass by over them.

Sunleader gets this one right ☆♡☆

[naztb]

4 hours ago, Operation_Crossroads_1 said:

Flamu now calls himself "deleteCV":

 

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Jingles says the only games worth showing are the ones without CV.

 

That's two of the biggest most well known community contributors saying the CV rework is gamebreaking

 

I don't think WG HQ are going to put up with this for long.

 

 

 

I watched that stream double CV game and he killed 2 DDs and both CVs. If anything it proves that CVs are not OP against DD. Watch the replay and see what happens to the Akatsuki that rushes into the B cap this is the type of player who says CV is OP well im sorry it was his own fault and he played poorly. Flamu played it correctly as expected and makes a fair point of what will happen when CV gets nerfed for DD potatoes the good players will get a massive buff and have a license to hunt CV as they wont be able to defend themselves against good DDs. A lot of games now DD tries to sneak across the map to kill CVs spend 10 mins getting there just for some free damage. 

 

 

watch and you will see both types of DD player admittedly the Mogador is OP I cant wait for French DD line it will stop all the hate for CV and focus it back on DDs

[1MajorKoenig]

5 minutes ago, naztb said:

lot of games now DD tries to sneak across the map to kill CVs spend 10 mins getting there just for some free damage. 

 

Which is a wasted MM slot.

[Sunleader]

8 minutes ago, naztb said:

I watched that stream double CV game and he killed 2 DDs and both CVs. If anything it proves that CVs are not OP against DD. Watch the replay and see what happens to the Akatsuki that rushes into the B cap this is the type of player who says CV is OP well im sorry it was his own fault and he played poorly. Flamu played it correctly as expected and makes a fair point of what will happen when CV gets nerfed for DD potatoes the good players will get a massive buff and have a license to hunt CV as they wont be able to defend themselves against good DDs. A lot of games now DD tries to sneak across the map to kill CVs spend 10 mins getting there just for some free damage. 

 

 

watch and you will see both types of DD player admittedly the Mogador is OP I cant wait for French DD line it will stop all the hate for CV and focus it back on DDs

 

Nothing will change the Hate towards CVs except massive Nerfs to CVs.

 

 

But the bigger thing is this thing about DDs capping etc.

Which I hear again and again from CV Players that try to defend the currently broken CV Gameplay.

 

 

You guys say DD should not go out front alone.

You say he should not Cap Points.

You say he should sneak around map border to kill enemy CV.

Because all of that makes him easy kill for CV.

 

But guys.

What should a DD do then ???

DDs dont have the Range, Gunpower and HP to Sail in Broadside Artillery Battles between Fleets where they can stay in AA Bubble of Cruisers and BBs.

And if they stay and hide till later game they are even easier Targets because there is even less obstacles for CVs.

 

 

 

 

[naztb]

10 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Which is a wasted MM slot.

Sadly its more common than you think and yes they are no value to the team hey guys i killed the CV oh wait enemy have 3 caps and 900 points. 

I ground all the CV line i have never taken a tier 10 into random as i dont really have an intrest in it. Through the grind I can say that good DDs that were smart enough to disable AA were hard to find and if they maneuvered very hard to hit. A Cv that hangs around Smoke waiting for a DD to re appear is not helping his team he should be off trying to inflict damage not doing nothing 

[Sunleader]

Just now, naztb said:

Sadly its more common than you think and yes they are no value to the team hey guys i killed the CV oh wait enemy have 3 caps and 900 points. 

I ground all the CV line i have never taken a tier 10 into random as i dont really have an intrest in it. Through the grind I can say that good DDs that were smart enough to disable AA were hard to find and if they maneuvered very hard to hit. A Cv that hangs around Smoke waiting for a DD to re appear is not helping his team he should be off trying to inflict damage not doing nothing 

 

I dont get why this Myth of Disabling AA still hangs around.

 

DD AA  mostly only Fires when the Planes are in Spotting range anyways.

 

And as a CV I dont need you to even use your AA.

Because my Planes after Rework got a Spotting Indicator.

I know when I am Spotted.

And you cant disable your DD from Spotting my Planes.

So if your there I will know it.

Even if you never fire a single shot and never use your AA at all.

 

 

Having AA on or off makes no difference for a DD.

(Unless your one of the few DDs with heavy AA that Fires on like 4-5km and thus actually makes himself getting spotted earlier.)

[Kartoffelmos]

3 hours ago, Saiyko said:

I saw in the Q&A that SO said smt about seeing to much "echo room talk", and I hope they keep that stand. It's getting ridiculous.

 

Really? It's almost as if the majority of the playerbase dislike having their entire game dictated by one player in a certain ship. Weird, I know. Almost as weird as the artillery hate in WoT even.

As for the echo room talk, it must be convenient to use that argument when one's responsible for introducing the reworked CVs in the first place. The same goes for brushing aside all critique as "CV hate".

 

In any case, can anyone seriously say that CVs are balanced in the current state?

I guess we'll see how things develop after the upcoming rebalance, but I doubt it will be any more fun facing CVs in a surface ship.

[B051LjKo]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

1.

I think I just posted a Screenshot where it says Super Unicum on my recent CV Matches.

I never claimed my Average Stats are Unicum.

Just that I can currently easily get Unicum Matches :)

 

So your Argument is invalid.

Albeit its funny how you just ignore that part and try to sweep it under the 

Explain to me how 80k of damage and 1,1 frag, with 17 wins in 30 matches puts you at the unicum level? 

 

Can you please post a screenshot of you killing s Minotaur or a Wooster in Kaga, or s simple 200k dmg in tier x with Kaga.

 

If you cant fo that, well, you ard not overpeforming in Kags.

 

Are CVs strong, yes they are, noob friendly kaga makes it easy to farm dmg on tier 6-8 ships, as it can spam torps with no fear of depleting planes, but if you try to play it like that in tier 10, you will fail.

 

CVs are glass cannons, they can do massive amount of damage in good hands, but will fail with a potato captain. On average, they do the same damage as BBs. With the speed nerf, we will see at least 10 percent decrease in dmg output.

[El2aZeR]

7 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

I put cover not when I see that he attacks. I put way before in the beginning of the battle or when my teammate was attacked so he won't attack him again.

 

Even more of a waste because then your fighters can simply be canceled by the enemy. Or they will expire before the enemy arrives.

[Sunleader]

10 minutes ago, B051LjKo said:

Explain to me how 80k of damage and 1,1 frag, with 17 wins in 30 matches puts you at the unicum level? 

 

Can you please post a screenshot of you killing s Minotaur or a Wooster in Kaga, or s simple 200k dmg in tier x with Kaga.

 

If you cant fo that, well, you ard not overpeforming in Kags.

 

Are CVs strong, yes they are, noob friendly kaga makes it easy to farm dmg on tier 6-8 ships, as it can spam torps with no fear of depleting planes, but if you try to play it like that in tier 10, you will fail.

 

CVs are glass cannons, they can do massive amount of damage in good hands, but will fail with a potato captain. On average, they do the same damage as BBs. With the speed nerf, we will see at least 10 percent decrease in dmg output.

 

1.

Are you analphabet or are you not reading my post on purpose ?

I said I can do Unicum Matches with a CV despite being a Noob.

And I proved that with Screenshots.

 

I never claimed that I am permanently Unicum in all Matches.

Are you incapable of understanding the statement of having Unicum Matches ?????

 

If ALL of my CV Matches were Unicum.

I would not say Unicum Matches but would simply say I am Unicum for CV lol.

 

2.

Oh raising the Goalposts now are we ?

It was just 100k last time *gg*

Are you that Scared of me now ? ^^

Top 5% in Kaga only do 120k Damage

Unicum (Top 10%) on Kaga is below 110k by the way.

Top 10% even for T10 CVs is only 140-150k

Yet you demand me to bring 200k Damage Screenshots *gg*

You must be really panicking there xD

 

3.

You do Realize that your just now saying that CVs are Ridiculously OP arent you????

So for a Noob with not even 50 CV Games its absolutely Normal to have nearly 90k Damage a Round.

 

Good.

So I guess CVs are just so i credible OP that even such high Numbers are below Average.

Thanks for proving my Point *gg*

 

4.

Well Mate.

Thanks for Admitting that.

But then what are you trying to Argue here ?

CVs are Overpowered.

If you Agree to that there is nothing else to add to that.

On T10 CVs dont really have less Planes than Kaga.

And the T10s are harder to shoot down I think.

So I dont really think that makes sense.

But I dont have T10 CV so I cant prove that one.

Not that I need to.

Even WG has already Admitted that CVs are Ridiculously OP and are testing Nerf after Nerf.

 

5.

Possible.

But while in your inability to read my posts you likely did not Notice.

I dont want CVs to nerfed into Oblivion.

If CVs get nerfed for another 2 or 3 Months they wont be OP anymore.

But instead will be useless.

 

But thats not really fixing the problem.

It just means the problem shifts to the other side.

Thats why we need a new System not a Nerfing Spree.

 

6.

No.

CVs are not Glass Cannons.

DDs are Glass Cannons.

Absurd Damage but also very easy to Kill.

A CV which can dish out damage while staying perfectly safe outside Enemy Range is not Qualifying as a Glass Cannon.

Because he is not easy to kill.

 

CVs are currently Unbalanced.

Because they can Deal Damage to everyone easily while others cannot actually reach them to deal damage to them in return.

 

 

[Sunleader]

Ok Forget I even wondered.

I just went to Check the thing that I am not allowed to share in the Forums.

Of course its just another Average Potato that after Rework is only Playing CVs......

 

 

Why do I even expect anything Different by now.....

I need to learn checking Peoples  ackground before bothering with them like this....

 

 

Now I feel Stupid.

I pretty much argued with a Fox about who stole the Chicken while the Fox had the Dead Chicken hanging from his mouth and I didnt even notice it.....

[Sickie79]

....so sick of CV's.

 

Just thought I would stop by the forum in case it ha been missed that they completely screw the game.

 

Well, I suppose I have to give a little credit for the 'historical accuracy' in the way that they have made warships pretty much redundant.

 

What ever happened to the rock, paper, scissors ethos? And the counter to CV's is............ oh. there isn't one.

[Glig69]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

CVs are currently Unbalanced.

Because they can Deal Damage to everyone easily while others cannot actually reach them to deal damage to them in return.

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Of course its just another Average Potato that after Rework is only Playing CVs......

 

 

Agreed.  One of the original problems with the RTS style CV play was that if you had a mismatch in skill between carrier players, which was common since carrier play was a high skill endeavour in those days, then one team was totally screwed over, since the better CV player dominated.  To fix that, WG seems to have removed the skill barrier so that any old idiot can now deal out massive damage in a CV with little penalty for losing planes (or no penalty if you are in some of the premium carriers, with seemingly endless plane inventory).  I can accept a single carrier in a game (not two - that's just plain bonkers), but there HAS to be more of a penalty if I shoot down a whole squadron of the CVs planes.  He should not be able to keep sending wave after wave of planes at me.  Am I missing something?

[Sunleader]

9 minutes ago, Glig69 said:

 

Agreed.  One of the original problems with the RTS style CV play was that if you had a mismatch in skill between carrier players, which was common since carrier play was a high skill endeavour in those days, then one team was totally screwed over, since the better CV player dominated.  To fix that, WG seems to have removed the skill barrier so that any old idiot can now deal out massive damage in a CV with little penalty for losing planes (or no penalty if you are in some of the premium carriers, with seemingly endless plane inventory).  I can accept a single carrier in a game (not two - that's just plain bonkers), but there HAS to be more of a penalty if I shoot down a whole squadron of the CVs planes.  He should not be able to keep sending wave after wave of planes at me.  Am I missing something?

 

Removing the Aircraft Resupply.

So Carriers have Strictly Limited Aircraft again and cant just Ignore losses for most part.

 

Bringing back the Accuracy Penalty from Fighters and AA Consumable would also go a great way.

 

 

 

Even before the Update.

Catapult Fighters were no real threat to Bomber Squads.

But if they attacked the Accuracy of the Bombers went to crab.

So they helped Evading the Bombs and reduce the taken Damage.

 

And Before Rework CVs had way less Aircraft and thus would Avoid high AA Areas because otherwise they would run out of Planes.

 

 

 

If before the Rework I would have Played a CV with as little regard to your planes as I do now.

I would have been out of Planes after 5 minutes.....

[El2aZeR]

Spoiler

 

 

[AirSupremacy]

6 hours ago, Sunleader said:

CVs are so Overpowered right now that its not a problem to just fool around and still get pretty decent Stats.

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The average CV T10 damage is around 80K damage if one looks up the data.

If WG would believe that 80K damage os "overpowered", they would immediately start

to rework BB damage for the entire battleship line.

 

That WG rebalances a bit of DD damage is probably about it,

it's mainly CV beginners which permanently attack DD`s,

hardcore guys go after BB`s.

 

Happy WoWs everyone :)

 

[thisismalacoda]

Vor 16 Minuten, AirSupremacy sagte:

The average CV T10 damage is around 80K damage if one looks up the data.

All three T10 CVs are currently above 97k on EU. Numbers are hard?

 

 

Enjoy the OP crap while it lasts. I'm sure I will.

[AirSupremacy]

15 minutes ago, thisismalacoda said:

All three T10 CVs are currently above 97k on EU. Numbers are hard?

 

 

Enjoy the OP crap while it lasts. I'm sure I will.

 

https://wows-numbers.com/ships/tree/type,air_carrier/

 

 

https://wows-numbers.com/ships/tree/type,battleship/

 

34 minutes ago, AirSupremacy said:

The average CV T10 damage is around 80K damage if one looks up the data.

If WG would believe that 80K damage os "overpowered", they would immediately start

to rework BB damage for the entire battleship line.

 

That WG rebalances a bit of DD damage is probably about it,

it's mainly CV beginners which permanently attack DD`s,

hardcore guys go after BB`s.

 

Happy WoWs everyone :)