CV Rework Discussion

[Sunleader]

41 minutes ago, Sidian42 said:

But Winrate IS affected by the skill difference (+ ship quality) for CVs, and it's BECAUSE there's always an equal amount of CVs on each team that skill and skill difference matters.
A no-skill CV will have the same influence on the match as a no-skill BB that's suiciding into the enemy team and also get to 30k damage while doing that.

 

Ship classes are not comparable by damage. The Conquerer has 100k average damage, the Daring 50k. Which ship is superior? Which ship has more impact on the game and wins more matches? The Daring, by far.
30k average damage with a t8 CV is the opposite of "rather impressive". That's like saying getting 50k average damage with a t10 BB is rather impressive, or getting 15k average damage with a t8 DD is rather impressive.

Btw, that noob i looked up had about10k-20k more average damage in t8 battleships and cruisers, one of them beeing the Hipper of all things. My point still stands: You might be better with CVs than with other ship classes, but that doesn't apply to everyone.

 

1.

Nice of ypu to ignore half of my post.

I take that as you agreeing to the parts your not contesting.

 

2.

No it does not.

And well that is exactly the Thing.

No Skill DD will Die in a Rush without Damage or cobtribution.

No Skill Cruiser will Die from a Citadel before even coming into Range to Fire.

No Skill BB will cause mild Damage to someone and be Sunk granting a large Point Bonus to the Enemy Team.

 

But not CV.

No Skill CV will likely lose alot if planes and often miss Strikes due to not knowing how to Aim.

But he will keep doing damage and he will keep Spotting Enemy Ships while he is sitting almost entirely Safe behind his Team.

 

30k Damage is more than 0.

And we are not Talking about Average Damage.

But about Noob Damage.

 

The Fact that you Reference Average Damage of BBs and other Ships when I pointed out Noob Damage for a CV is extremely telling and shows that even you yourself realize that there is little to no no skill required to play a CV.

 

 

I.ll make that Simpler for you.

If I had to choose between a Noob CV or an Average BB in my Team to balance out the Enemy CV.

I would take the CV.

Cause even if the CV is a Noob that just wastes hus Aircraft in Suicide Runs.

He is still more valuable than a BB with Average Skills.

 

3.

Thats BS.

Conqueror has way more Effect on Battle.

Again. Winrate is entirely Irrelevant.

WoWs Matchmaking balances out Classes 1 for 1 with little to no tolerance.

So Winrate at best Shows how Balanced this  Ship is in its own classd vs other ships of its own class.

 

 

 

 

Again Mate.

Pls explain to me.

How a Noob like me which was barely a T7 CV before the Rework.

Can suddenly get Super Unicum Matches in his CV without any Effort.

 

I am Flattered you think that I am just so Skilled and better than other CV Players.

 

But Sorry.

Reality is and Remains that I am just a Casual playing an completely overpowered Shipclass that is currently able to massacre everything else without effort.

[BlueMoon51]

has WG considered flipping carrier play totally add AI "land" based strike planes and turn the CVs into a fleet defense role? no spotting at all or interaction with the other teams ships

[Sidian42]

2 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

1.

Nice of ypu to ignore half of my post.

I take that as you agreeing to the parts your not contesting.

No, i just didn't see a point into answering every single statement on its own. E.g. there is no point commenting on "CVs are overpowered" when i already talked about damage not beeing a good factor to see how strong a ship class is.

 

5 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

2.

No it does not.

And well that is exactly the Thing.

No Skill DD will Die in a Rush without Damage or cobtribution.

No Skill Cruiser will Die from a Citadel before even coming into Range to Fire.

No Skill BB will cause mild Damage to someone and be Sunk granting a large Point Bonus to the Enemy Team.

No-skill DDs, Cruisers and BBs will contribute as much as no-skill CVs in relation to their class. See above.

 

7 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

30k Damage is more than 0.

And we are not Talking about Average Damage.

But about Noob Damage.

And 20k damage from a BB noob is also more than 0. That's still extremly bad compared to the average t8 BB. And yes, we are talking about noob damage. As i said, 30k in nothing for a t8 carrier. That's not even half a battleship sunk. And the spotting contribution means nothing since the enemy team also has a CV doing the same or even more work. No-skill DDs also provide spotting, do you want to nerf DD spotting just because of that?

 

12 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

The Fact that you Reference Average Damage of BBs and other Ships when I pointed out Noob Damage for a CV is extremely telling and shows that even you yourself realize that there is little to no no skill required to play a CV.

The fact that you think 30k damage from a t8 noob CV is too much is extremly telling and shows that you are just biased.

 

14 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Thats BS.

Conqueror has way more Effect on Battle.

Again. Winrate is entirely Irrelevant.

And that shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry mate. The Daring has way more impact on battle, and winrate is the result of all factors that add to a win (after enough battles because stochastics), which makes it the opposite of irrelevant.
But damage comparisons between different ship classes are completely irrelevant. Or do you really think we should double the damage of Harugumo, Khaba, Daring and other t10 DDs just to make them match the t10 BBs? Shimakaze with 40k+ damage per torpedo, Harugumo with a 1.5 seconds base reload?
 

22 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Again Mate.

Pls explain to me.

How a Noob like me which was barely a T7 CV before the Rework.

Can suddenly get Super Unicum Matches in his CV without any Effort.

I am Flattered you think that I am just so Skilled and better than other CV Players.

First, you have to take division battles out of the equation.
Second, you are just good in CVs. And other players are worse with them. It's just that simple.

As you already noted yourself, there is always an enemy CV on the team if you play CV. If you win, the enemy CV will lose. You ARE more skilled than the average CV player, otherwise you would have got a 50% winrate since the enemy CV is able to do the same.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

20 minutes ago, Sidian42 said:

Second, you are just good in CVs. And other players are worse with them. It's just that simple.

Hardly.

 

WG themselves stated they wanted to "simplify" 0.8.0 CVs, and that is what they did.

[Reind0Hearsion]

Another great T10 game. Enemy CV constantly in my prioritized AA side doing absolutely fuckall damage despite being a LION, my fighters ignoring 3 drops flooding me 3 times.

Our CV? On the damage hunt as always ignoring teammates and objectives. Great update WG.

[Sidian42]

5 minutes ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

WG themselves stated they wanted to "simplify" 0.8.0 CVs, and that is what they did.

That doesn't change the fact that some players are bad with the new CVs and others are good.

[Glig69]

2 hours ago, Saiyko said:

And yet you didn't die...

 

The one good thing WG did was provide this forum with a fitting icon for the likes of you.

Actually I did die .. to the two CVs.  But my point is - I have GREAT AA in that ship, compared to most others, and it was still bloody miserable play.  How can my div mate & I shoot 93 planes down, and the two carriers still be able to send continuous waves of planes?  Where is the CV skill requirement in all of this?

[Glig69]

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Out of those 63 aircraft, how many were fighters? Because losing those doesn't have any impact on CV reserves whatsoever.

Besides, Enterprise and Kaga have the highest effective plane reserves out of all CVs in the game. In fact the amount of planes your team shot down is less than the total amount of planes that Enterprise can bring to the field alone (in a realistic scenario Enterprise brings ~190 planes to bare in a 20 min match of which 90 are fighters).

Sorry - I didn't keep that screen; only a few were fighters - most of the planes were at the end where the two CVs just concentrated wave after wave.  Would probably have been fine with just one CV in the game, but 2, with enormous plane reserves as you point out ... meh.  Not fun.

[KillStealBoss]

58 minutes ago, Reind0Hearsion said:

Another great T10 game. Enemy CV constantly in my prioritized AA side doing absolutely fuckall damage despite being a LION, my fighters ignoring 3 drops flooding me 3 times.

Our CV? On the damage hunt as always ignoring teammates and objectives. Great update WG.

They should make dmg farming and no team support punished by lower exp. 

[Sunleader]

1 hour ago, Reind0Hearsion said:

Another great T10 game. Enemy CV constantly in my prioritized AA side doing absolutely fuckall damage despite being a LION, my fighters ignoring 3 drops flooding me 3 times.

Our CV? On the damage hunt as always ignoring teammates and objectives. Great update WG.

 

As someone Playing CV.

No. CV is not trying to Damage Hunt.

Its just that we cant do anything to defend you.

 

Our Fighter Spawns last 60 Seconds.

20 Seconds of that they dont even react.

And after that they are like your own Fighters and mostly just ignore Aircraft.

 

Rework basicly made it impossible to defend against Bombers.

Thats all there to this.

 

1 hour ago, Sidian42 said:

No, i just didn't see a point into answering.

 

Then dont.

Nobody forces you to be here.

 

1 hour ago, Sidian42 said:

No-skill DDs, Cruisers and BBs will contribute as much as no-skill CVs in relation to their class.

 

 

No.

Noob BB will do like 20k damage im a really good round.

And will often do no Damage at all.

 

Noob CV does AVERAGE 30k Damage.

In a Good Round even Noob CVs will crack 50-80k damage.

 

Thats far from equal Mate.

 

1 hour ago, Sidian42 said:

And 20k damage from a BB noob is also more than 0. That's still extremly bad compared to the average t8 BB.

 

The fact that you think 30k damage from a t8 noob CV is too much is extremly telling and shows that you are just biased.

 

Except your turning numbers randomly there.

Noob BB wont get 20k Average Damage.

Heck. I am glad that my Friend is lately starting to listen to me about how to drive BBs and actually has startet to reach 20k Damage with his BB.

Meanwhile other Friend who never used CVs just bought a T8 Zeppelin and is Happily doing over 30k Average straight away.

 

Your right that this is telling tough.

Your biased view which tells you that 30k AVERAGE damage would be a small number for someone who has no skill in this Game when other classes  struggle to do even half of that as a Noob. Shows pretty clearly just how Overpowered CVs are.

 

 

1 hour ago, Sidian42 said:

 winrate is the result of all factors that add to a win

 

 

Mate.

What part of.

Both Teams get the exactly same Classes.

Did you misunderstand ???

 

Both Teams get the same Classes Each Match.

So for any DD that Wins.

Another DD Loses.

Winrate is entirely Irrelevant here.

 

Winrate for each Class is 50%

Because every time a Ship of that Class Wins a Match.

The Ship of the same class in the enemy Team will lose.

 

1 hour ago, Sidian42 said:

First, you have to take division battles out of the equation.
Second, you are just good in CVs. And other players are worse with them. It's just that simple.

 

 

I dont lol.

Why would you remove Divisions ?

They are part of every Single Match.

 

And no lol.

I am a Horrible CV Player xD

On Purpose by the way.

 

I on Purpose Bomb Ships in the middle of Enemy Fleet.

I sometimes just kill the Enemy CV while he Bombs my Team even tough he is the furthest target possible.

I sometimes refuse to Spot DDs because I consider it Unfair to Ruin their Game.

And other times on purpose just buzz an Enemy DD the whole Match to Demonstrate how easy it is for a CV to just deny another Player ALL fun in the Game.

I ignore losses and AA and even on purpose Bomb AA Cruisers over and over lol.

 

 

If it wasnt for CVs being so absurdly Overpowered I should absolutely Suck at this.

 

But the sad truth is.

The only thing you need to learn to bash others with a CV.

Is how the Aiming with Aircraft works.

 

Once you learned that.

You Rule the Match.

[Sunleader]

18 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

They should make dmg farming and no team support punished by lower exp. 

 

Dont Blame that one on us Players pls.

 

My Fighters mostly just Ignore Bombers.

And I cant give any Command whatsoever to them.

 

I set them.

For 20 secs they do nothing.

And then 40 Secs later they Dissappear.

Enemy CV even gets a Marker where they are and unless you fly into it. Even if your like 1km next to the Fighters. They dont give a Crab.

 

 

If you got Complains on that take em to WG.

 

 

Bombers are currently made to be virtually unstoppable.

We Players including the ones Playing CVs are not excepted from that.

 

 

So demanding us to be Punished makes no sense here.

[Sidian42]

52 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

As someone Playing CV.

No. CV is not trying to Damage Hunt.

Its just that we cant do anything to defend you.

And since you can't protect other ships anymore, your task is to deal more damage and take out more ships than the enemy CV. 

 

52 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Then dont.

As you noticed, i didn't. That's why you asked about it in the first place.
 

52 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Noob BB will do like 20k damage im a really good round.

And will often do no Damage at all.

52 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Noob BB wont get 20k Average Damage

A noob BB will do 40k in a really good round. That's why they are at about 20-30k on average at t8.

 

But let me guess, that player isn't a BB noob, right? They are clearly a good BB player since their average damage is way past 20k. 

 

52 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Winrate for each Class is 50%

Because every time a Ship of that Class Wins a Match.

The Ship of the same class in the enemy Team will lose.

But ships are not equal. One team has a Daring, the other team doesn't. The team with the Daring is more likely to win because it's better than all other DDs atm. The Conquerer on the other hand is not better than the other BBs (it's among the worst in the current meta, but the difference between BBs isn't as big as the difference between DDs), thus the Daring has a bigger impact on the battle than the Conquerer. 
However, that's not the point. The point is that the comparison of damage between different ship classes is pointless. The Harugumo was considered OP. The Khabarovsk was nerfed multiple times because it was really OP. And both aren't even near the damage that BBs can pump out. Why were those ships nerfed or considered OP? Because damage is only relevant in comparison with other ships of the same ship class. That's why the argument of CVs dealing more damage than other ship classes is completely pointless. In fact, some CVs do LESS damage now (after the nerfs) than they did before the rework. But before the rework, they were not as common as they are now and players simply didn't care much about it.

 

52 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

I dont lol.

Why would you remove Divisions ?

They are part of every Single Match.

Because Divisions can push your stats. They are not representative of YOUR performance alone.
 

52 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

And no lol.

I am a Horrible CV Player xD

On Purpose by the way.

If it wasnt for CVs being so absurdly Overpowered I should absolutely Suck at this.

"Oh, my stats are good, but i'm horrible on purpose, they could be much better because CVs are soo good!"
Nice try. But as you said yourself: The enemy team has a CV, too. If CVs took no skill to play, then your winrate couldn't be so good. The only reason your WR can be better is because you played better than most enemy CVs.

Oh, and btw, i played my Cleveland, Ibuki, Baltimore and so on badly on purpose. If i played them serious, i would have gotten a 90%+ winrate and 150k average damage. 

[Sunleader]

23 minutes ago, Sidian42 said:

And since you can't protect other ships anymore, your task is to deal more damage and take out more ships than the enemy CV. 

 

As you noticed, i didn't. That's why you asked about it in the first place.
 

A noob BB will do 40k in a really good round. That's why they are at about 20-30k on average at t8.

 

But let me guess, that player isn't a BB noob, right? They are clearly a good BB player since their average damage is way past 20k. 

 

But ships are not equal. One team has a Daring, the other team doesn't. The team with the Daring is more likely to win because it's better than all other DDs atm. The Conquerer on the other hand is not better than the other BBs (it's among the worst, but the difference between BBs isn't as big as the difference between DDs), thus the Daring has a bigger impact on the battle than the Conquerer. 
However, that's not the point. The point is that the comparison of damage between different ship classes is pointless. The Harugumo was considered OP. The Khabarovsk was nerfed multiple times because it was really OP. And both aren't even near the damage that BBs can put out. Why were those ships nerfed or considered OP? Because damage is only relevant in comparison with other ships of the same ship class. That's why the argument of CVs dealing more damage than other ship classes is completely pointless. In fact, they do LESS damage now than they did before the rework. But before the rework, they were not as common as they are now and players simply didn't care much about it.

 

Because Divisions can push your stats. They are not representative of YOUR performance alone.
 

"Oh, my stats are good, but i'm horrible on purpose, they could be much better because CVs are soo good!"
Nice try. But as you said yourself: The enemy team has a CV, too. If CVs took no skill to play, then your winrate couldn't be so good. The only reason your WR can be better is because you played better than most enemy CVs.

Oh, and btw, i played my Cleveland, Ibuki, Baltimore and so on badly on purpose. If i played them serious, i would have gotten a 90%+ winrate and 150k average damage. 

 

 

1.

Yes.

But since even a Complete Noob CV will still do 2 DDs or half a BB worth of Damage.

Thats Irrelevant to CVs being OP.

 

2.

Nope.

I just dislike it when people take my Statements out of Context and ignore Half.

So I tend to feed these people their own Medicine.

 

3.

Cant Tell.

You cut out just 2 Ships.

And hes got 600 Battles among these 2.

Not exactly what I would call a Noob.

I bet he would do like 50k Average after 20 Games with a T8 CV.

 

4.

Irrelevant.

Difference here only is how Good Daring is compared to other DDs.

Its not telling anything on how Good it is Compared to a Conqueror.

 

5.

My Argument never was how much Damage CVs deal compared to other classes.

Its about how Easy CVs can deal Damage to others and how little effect Skill has on that.

 

Skill Range for BB is basicly 10k Average for a Noob and 100k Average for a Pro.

Skill Range for CV is 30k for a Noob and 60k for a Pro.

(Numbers are for example. Not actual numbers)

 

Reason why CVs are OP is not how much damage they can do.

Its how nobody can stop them from doing it.

 

A BB can be prevented from causing Damage by Angling and Killing it First.

If a Skilled BB meets a Noob BB.

The Noob BB will go down barely doinc anything.

If a Skilled DD meets a Noob BB he will sink it without being Spotted.

If a Noob DD meets a skilled BB the DD wont do any Damage and will be Deleted short time later.

 

But CVs are different.

Nothing you do will stop that CV from Bombing.

You can be 10 times more Skilled than the CV Player.

The CV will still Bomb you.

And you wo t do a Single HP Damage to the CV.

 

6.

Enemy Team has Divisions as well.

So they have no Effect.

 

7.

Well.

Thing is.

You assume Enemy CV is bad.

But Enemy CV also reaches Unicum easily lol.

He might have even more Damage then me.

But rest of Team lost.

I also dont always win with CV.

But still get Unicum Stats.

 

You are fixed on just Winrate.

Which is the most Random Stat in the Game lol.

 

Winrate is entirely Meaningless.

Only thing they show is that CV X is even more OP than CV Y.

[Solstad1069]

2 hours ago, Sidian42 said:

That doesn't change the fact that some players are bad with the new CVs and others are good.

 

And it doesn`t change the fact whenever you get into a tier 7-9 battle and the team with 2x skilled tier 8 CVs will win 9 out of 10 times.
There is nothing the 2 x tier 8 skilled battleships on the enemy team can do about that.
 

Yes there is ofcourse skill involved in sailing an Aircraftcarrier, it becomes a problem when they decide the outcome of the battle despite the skill of the enemy BBs.

[Solstad1069]

21 hours ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

Tier 4 CVs are OP?  In what way?

 

Tier 4 CVs are useless and thats how poor job WG did in balancing them at their tier and what ships they face.

[Sidian42]

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Yes.

But since even a Complete Noob CV will still do 2 DDs or half a BB worth of Damage.

Thats Irrelevant to CVs being OP.

 

Just as a complete noob BB will still do 2 DDs or half a BB worth of damage.

Your only argument why CVs are OP is "because they do more damage than other classes". And that argument is completely pointless since BBs do more damage than cruisers who do more damage than DDs. Are BBs overpowered because they do more damage? No. Are DDs underpowered? No.
 

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

just dislike it when people take my Statements out of Context and ignore Half.

So I tend to feed these people their own Medicine.

What statement was taken out of context? Can you point at that statement and the context it was taken out of?
 

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Cant Tell.

You cut out just 2 Ships.

And hes got 600 Battles among these 2.

Not exactly what I would call a Noob.

I bet he would do like 50k Average after 20 Games with a T8 CV.

Everybody can tell just by those two ships that the player is a noob.
And since he did 4k average damage after 28 games with a t4 CV before he quit playing CV, you'd probably lose that bet.

But just for you, the full picture of his CV and battleships:


An other player:



An other one:


It's not even difficult to find players like that. I just look at some post battle screens and look up players who are at the lower end in the team ranking. The impression i get from looking up those players is that CVs are MORE DIFFICULT to play than BBs, that they require MORE SKILL. I don't have an other explanation why every bad player i look up is worse with CVs than with BBs.
And that should tell about "how easy CVs can deal damage to others and how little effect skill has on that" (just in case you are wondering why i'm not refering to that quote directly).

 

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Irrelevant.

Difference here only is how Good Daring is compared to other DDs.

 

So a comparison between a DD and a BB is irrelevant for you, but the comparison between CVs and other classes is not because...?
 

1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

Well.

Thing is.

You assume Enemy CV is bad.

But Enemy CV also reaches Unicum easily lol.

You can't reach Unicum level easily, because unicum means "top of the player base" or "a lot better than the average". It wouldn't be "unicum" if it was easy or if a lot of players were able to reach it. The more damage players do, the more damage you need to be unicum.
On average, the enemy CV is average. That's in the word "average". Sometimes they are unicums, sometimes they are tomatoes, but they cannot be good or unicum on average, that would be a contradiction. 

[Solstad1069]

On 5/17/2019 at 6:52 PM, AirSupremacy said:

I enjoy playing all ship classes.

Playing CV is the greatest fun for me,

as IMHO its the class with the widest skill possible gap for players which want to become good and the class with the biggest Theatre-of-War immersion feel.

+ I waited 1 year to play WoWs again on day 1 of the CV rework.

 

Submarines could be a similar class with a wide possible skill gap, I am looking forward to them too.

Subs , AA & CV`s are the only reason why I came back to WoWs, the game got too boring for me in the past.

 

Well there you say it yourself. You enjoy CVs because its the easiest way for you to carry battles with your skill.
It doesn`t matter if the enemy got a BB or DD with the same skill as you.
 

All you really need is a team that can stay floating for a few minutes.
 

Thats a major problem. 

 

Bottom line, if you cant do the same in a BB, Cruiser or a DD from what you can in your CV, then you have a balance problem.
Common sence really.

 

[Sunleader]

24 minutes ago, Sidian42 said:

 

Just as a complete noob BB will still do 2 DDs or half a BB worth of damage.

Your only argument why CVs are OP is "because they do more damage than other classes". And that argument is completely pointless since BBs do more damage than cruisers who do more damage than DDs. Are BBs overpowered because they do more damage? No. Are DDs underpowered? No.
 

What statement was taken out of context? Can you point at that statement and the context it was taken out of?
 

Everybody can tell just by those two ships that the player is a noob.
And since he did 4k average damage after 28 games with a t4 CV before he quit playing CV, you'd probably lose that bet.

But just for you, the full picture of his CV and battleships:


An other player:



An other one:


It's not even difficult to find players like that. I just look at some post battle screens and look up players who are at the lower end in the team ranking. The impression i get from looking up those players is that CVs are MORE DIFFICULT to play than BBs, that they require MORE SKILL. I don't have an other explanation why every bad player i look up is worse with CVs than with BBs.
And that should tell about "how easy CVs can deal damage to others and how little effect skill has on that" (just in case you are wondering why i'm not refering to that quote directly).

 

 

So a comparison between a DD and a BB is irrelevant for you, but the comparison between CVs and other classes is not because...?
 

You can't reach Unicum level easily, because unicum means "top of the player base" or "a lot better than the average". It wouldn't be "unicum" if it was easy or if a lot of players were able to reach it. The more damage players do, the more damage you need to be unicum.
On average, the enemy CV is average. That's in the word "average". Sometimes they are unicums, sometimes they are tomatoes, but they cannot be good or unicum on average, that would be a contradiction. 

 

 

1.

Thats Bull.

A Noob BB will Generally do not even Half a DD worth of Damage.

Because he is Killed in the first Few Minutes without every really Hitting anything.

 

The Guy you Show is certainly not a Pro Player.

But with 600 Battles on just 2 BBs he is clearly not a Noob anymore.

 

2.

For example the 2nd Point of the Post 4 Hours ago.

You just Cut out the whole Part about CVs which was the Original Point.

And then only kept the Start about the other Classes.

This way you made it look like I only argued on Damage of the other Classes.

When my Point actually was the Difference between other Classes and CVs.

 

The one after that is right again out of Context.

Only mentioning the Damage Numbers again.

Cutting out the whole Context about this not being the case for CVs and even ignoring half of the Statement.

Then just answering that BB would do 20k Damage which is also more than 0.

 

Moreover by Quoting it Singled out. You changed its meaning as being Independent from the other Point.

When it only made sense by being part of that other Point.

 

It Continues after that in the same Manner.

If you wish to make Single Quotes thats Fine.

But then at least Quote the Whole Points and not just Part of them.

And answer them as the complete point they are.

Not cutting them into Pieces and then answering them as Single Pieces which have an entirely different meaning.

 

3.

Mate no Offense.

But I think your making a mixup between a Noob. And a Bad Player there.

A Noob is someone who is new to the Game and due to that doesnt know how it works.

 

The Screenshots you show. Contain Hundreds of Battles.

It is indeed Sad that Players who got Hundreds of Battles got such Bad Stats.

 

Thing is Mate.

Friend got 9 Games with Graf Zeppeling.

He is an absolute Noob.

And he still got 36k Average Damage.

 

Thats what a Noob is.

 

I dont know any Player who would manage to do 300 Games with a CV in the current Rework and get anything close to such Bad Statistics.

And you can actually Check that on your Screenshots there as well.

Because the Guys with these Damage Numbers on BBs have 500 Games and more on BBs.

The CVs you show got like 10 Games and less on CVs  lol.

 

If you really cant See that this is just wrong and proves that CVs are beyond Overpowered.

Then I really have no Idea what I should do to get these Pink Glasses out of your Face.

 

4.

Dont try to play with words there.

WINRATE Comparisson is Irrelevant between Classes.

And yes that also counts for CVs.

 

5.

Well Mate.

Thats the thing.

Currently most of these Stats are still Compared to the Thousands of CV Games before the Rework.

Thats why anyone and his Mom right now easily gets Unicum Stats.

Of course once that has leveled out.

People on CVs will be Compared with the new incredible OP CV Levels and will be rated down tremendously.

Because they would need to do like 350k damage to get Unicum Status.

 

But again Mate.

If from that alone you dont realize just how Overpowered and Broken CVs are right now.

Then I really dont know how to overcome that incredible Bias you have.

 

 

[AirSupremacy]

50 minutes ago, Solstad1069 said:

 

Well there you say it yourself. You enjoy CVs because its the easiest way for you to carry battles with your skill.

...

 

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Here is what I wrote:

 

"I enjoy playing all ship classes. Playing CV is the greatest fun for me..."

 

The terms "because its the easiest way" have been added by you.

If one believes CV`s are easy to play, one can go ahead and have fun.

 

Wishing everyone a nice time in WoWs :)

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 1 Stunde, Solstad1069 sagte:

 

Well there you say it yourself. You enjoy CVs because its the easiest way for you to carry battles with your skill.
It doesn`t matter if the enemy got a BB or DD with the same skill as you.
 

All you really need is a team that can stay floating for a few minutes.
 

Thats a major problem. 

 

Bottom line, if you cant do the same in a BB, Cruiser or a DD from what you can in your CV, then you have a balance problem.
Common sence really.

 

I have half my total battles in CVs. Maybe that answers why i can't do the same performance in other ship classes. Because i'm lacking experience in them. Because i like playing CV. I would like playing CV even without them being op.

Is it wrong to like playing CV?

 

Also AirSupremacy never said he plays them to carry easier.

I'm more of a control freak, i like to carry and having control. That's why i play healer classes in MMOs and that is why CV suits me.

It can influence alot in the right hands.

Everyone has their taste.

 

Or are you saying one first has to be a Unicum in the other classes to be allowed to be a unicum in a CV?

[Solstad1069]

1 hour ago, AirSupremacy said:

Here is what I wrote:

 

"I enjoy playing all ship classes. Playing CV is the greatest fun for me..."

 

The terms "because its the easiest way" have been added by you.

If one believes CV`s are easy to play, one can go ahead and have fun.

 

Wishing everyone a nice time in WoWs :)

I dont believe CVs are easy to play, but i believe when you can do it well and you have CVs on the other team that cant, they game is already over.
Dont you think that is kind off bad for gameplay overall?

 

BTW fun is the same as winning, who likes to lose.

[Solstad1069]

33 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I have half my total battles in CVs. Maybe that answers why i can't do the same performance in other ship classes. Because i'm lacking experience in them. Because i like playing CV. I would like playing CV even without them being op.

Is it wrong to like playing CV?

 

Also AirSupremacy never said he plays them to carry easier.

I'm more of a control freak, i like to carry and having control. That's why i play healer classes in MMOs and that is why CV suits me.

It can influence alot in the right hands.

Everyone has their taste.

 

Or are you saying one first has to be a Unicum in the other classes to be allowed to be a unicum in a CV?

Nothing wrong in playing CVs they are in the game and your free to carry your team to victory. 
Its WGs job to balance the ships in the game, or the classes and right now they just f it up, simple as that.
 

You say healers in MMOs, im pretty sure they have weaknesses compared to other classes to balance them?
CVs dont, they can do it all kill, spot, cap, decap and zoom around the map faster than anyone AND stay out of harms way.
 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 4 Minuten, Solstad1069 sagte:

You say healers in MMOs, im pretty sure they have weaknesses compared to other classes to balance them?
CVs dont, they can do it all kill, spot, cap, decap and zoom around the map faster than anyone AND stay out of harms way.
  

Healers in one on one pvp engagements are usually always overpowering damage dealers or tanks because of their ability to heal themself. ♡

 

Well WG officially said they are fine with CV balance right now and only few tweaks after 8.4 will continue to follow.

Maybe they lied.

But with that i'm basically done discussing the balance of CV until i experience the coming nerfs and buffs myself. Those will likely drop the influence and dmg of CVs a bit so something you can look foward to.

[AirSupremacy]

52 minutes ago, Solstad1069 said:

I dont believe CVs are easy to play, but i believe when you can do it well and you have CVs on the other team that cant, they game is already over.
Dont you think that is kind off bad for gameplay overall?

 

BTW fun is the same as winning, who likes to lose.

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Let me explain:

I used to play the game on a 2nd screen, casual...Just doing a bit of damage to grind level up.

The CV minigame and Kaze torping was nice, as it did not require constant control input.

The game then got too boring for me and I had the intention to wait until new interesting game content arrives, as its also one of the few games where I spent a thousand on.

 

After 1 year WG then presented the CV rework - Next to Submarines this was exciting looking new game content.

 

I sensed that Submarines and CV`s would be the units which require fast tactical decision making and "Trickyness",

so I started playing WoWs properly on day 1 of the CV rework. Mastering any class in this game requires a lot of training.

 

Your question:

"Dont you think that is kind off bad for gameplay overall?"

Answer:

Wargaming had always tailored CV play to 130K average damage, the value which defines high-performance players.

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Patches_and_Emblems

Emblem: Aircraft Carrier Commander. Elite Forces

 

WG game designers balance game content according to their recorded stats and the emblem ceiling.

The answer to your question is that good players reach or exceed the ship emblems values. Do I think that emblem score values are bad gameplay - No.

Whatever class one trains and specializes in, reaching the emblem score demonstrates a trained and skilled player.

 

BTW

Once in a while I jump into a Jean Bart or some other ships for some fun casual play in some of my game accounts, I enjoy the AA rework with a wide range of ships. Non CV classes, I play purely for fun - It`s hard enough to be a top CV player, but it's satisfying.

It's up to each player if they want to be a relaxed potato in the game or if they want to be really good with a ship or a class.

As a specialized CV player the target is 10K damage per minute, its thrilling but requires constant focus.

In this game people get upset on a daily basis, IMHO nothing has changed over the years in WoWs in regard to that. Once Submarines are someday in the game, they will be another blame target.

 

Happy WoWs, carry harder :)

 

 

[Captain_Lootbox]

Did WG makes the CV rework as an in-game advert for World of Warplanes?   If and when they rework the rework do they expect people that like the current CV rework to play Warplanes?   I can't believe WG have dropped the almighty clanger of this rework by mistake.