CV Rework Discussion

[1MajorKoenig]

4 hours ago, AndyHill said:

I see people claim all the time that carriers will never be removed, which to me is a bit puzzling, since it's entirely up to WG to make that call and it's absolutely not impossible. Of course it would be a major setback for WG to admit defeat like that, but that's normal in projects like this. Also WG have already shown ability to make major reforms when they think it's necessary. Just look at what happened to WoWP and we don't have to look further than a few months back when there was a major rework in this very game.

 

The rework happened, because WG felt that there were several serious problems with the carriers and the rework has only solved one, which, unfortunately, was popularity, thus making everything else just worse. When WG realize that the only logical conclusion is going to be another drastic operation if they have the guts to do another one. And that's where our opinions and views come in. All of those threads popping up and getting swatted down are exactly what this game needs right now. I applaud each and every one, if WG feel that a constant stream of new threads on a single topic is a problem,  I have news for them: the real problem is not the amount of topics popping up and shutting them down and channeling all discussion in one thread is not going to solve it.

 

Removing a class out of four is beyond stupid and you know that. 

 

See I don’t like certain ships either.  Does that mean they should be removed as well? While I would love to - what do you do with the guys who like these stupid ships? 

 

Reality is: CVs are now (finally) popular. WG will do some few more adjustments and the whining will calm down eventually. 

 

Just like it did calm down after RPF. Or the RN Monkey-Battleships. Or the Stealthfire thing. Or any other controversial change.

 

Sky isn’t falling 

[El2aZeR]

12 minutes ago, Alipheese_XV said:

If you only disliked it for 99,9% then you were count as some who "at least liked some aspects of it".

 

And were lumped in with the ~30% who liked it.

Yes.

[Hundigo]

Sky isn't falling, it became cloudy 

 

Every surface ship looses strength during battle or game if you like. A CV gains strength during the game/battle , that's the difference. 

 

Your surface ship looses HP , looses AA guns and etcetera. A CV doesn' t loose anything at all . In the worst case scenario the CV can do only 2 attack runs on you with his squad at the end of the game ( planes regeneration restriction)  then with the normally 3 at the start of the game; That's a huge differents in the game outcome you know. 

[Sunleader]

9 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Removing a class out of four is beyond stupid and you know that. 

 

See I don’t like certain ships either.  Does that mean they should be removed as well? While I would love to - what do you do with the guys who like these stupid ships? 

 

Reality is: CVs are now (finally) popular. WG will do some few more adjustments and the whining will calm down eventually. 

 

Just like it did calm down after RPF. Or the RN Monkey-Battleships. Or the Stealthfire thing. Or any other controversial change.

 

Sky isn’t falling 

 

Of course Carriers are Popular.

Right now there is no easier way to earn Millions of Credits and get absurdly good Stats than to Play CV.

 

 

But if you think this popularity of CVs at the expense of all other Players will just silently be accepted over time.

I fear your delusional.

 

If Complaining doesnt work.

People will do worse. Which you can notice from the absurd Toxicity surrounding this Topic.

If that doesnt work they will Quit.

 

 

And Sorry Mate.

But the examples you mentioned never reached the Scale that the Sky Cancer thing already has now.

This will only get worse.

The one or the other way.

 

 

[voidwyrm]

I dont know... for me the sky is actually falling a bit... After seeing this bad rework...

 

There is hardly any hope left, unless the fire all the people who did this CV-stuff. It was just such a bad execution for a job, for which the had soooo much time for.

If it was a one month rush-job, I would have said, "give them some more time".

But this horrible stuff that we see now, seems to be really the *best* they were able do. Its just so sad.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

And were lumped in with the ~30% who liked it.

Yes.

 

Uhm, okay.

If I would bring up an idea at my company and say to my boss: "Here, the idea is only hated to a degree of 99%!"

Then surely my boss would say: "Great, let's do this!"

Man, should surely try this tomorrow...

 

Do you know a good payed job by the way?

[ApolloF117]

2 hours ago, Sunleader said:

9 out of 10 toxic and aggressive chat exchanges I see are about *Sky Cancer*

 

2 hours ago, Sunleader said:

The Broken CV Rework is putting most other differences to Shame and has become by far the most Toxic Topic there is. 

and you are surprised?

[Seepheerd]

So... today evening the Midway... Ty WG! 

[Sunleader]

38 minutes ago, ApolloF117 said:

 

and you are surprised?

 

Nope.

Just telling others that this is the Reality we got.

And making it clear to them. That this is not just the usual quarreling between Players.

[AndyHill]

2 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Removing a class out of four is beyond stupid and you know that. 

No, it would be the best thing to ever happen to the game. They don't have to be removed, though, they just can't be in the same game modes with surface gunships.

[Beaker71]

5 minutes ago, AndyHill said:

No, it would be the best thing to ever happen to the game. They don't have to be removed, though, they just can't be in the same game modes with surface gunships.

 Having witnessed a tier 8 premium CV completely dominate a tier 10 game I just played  (with just me as the sole DD) - i'm starting to think the same.  Maybe the speed reduction will help, but with fewer DDs playing, how effective is the CV "nerf" patch going to be?

[MRGTB]

Whay CV was it, Enterprise?

 

Because I just played a T10 match in my Graff Zep and managed to get a whopping 20k damage.

[Namuras]

2 minutes ago, TheScarletPimpernel said:

Whay CV was it, Enterprise?

Probably... been getting nothing but T10 games tonight with mine tonight. Enterprise is very able to deliver even in T10 games tho... 

 

Of 8 games one game was toptier the rest tier T10 with at most two t8s for flavour:

 

And the best/worst thing: unless they completly nerf silver CVs into the ground the Big E is going to stay the way it is... 

[cosmo99]

So , Tripitz in tier VI-VIII game  -  should have been effective.  Except double CV.  

 

So spent more time looking up and dodging airbourne torps than anything else.  All our fleet were bunched up and still the AA is ineffective 

 

WG -  I've enjoyed WOWS a lot over the last few years and played in  5.5K battles  however your new mod is TOTAL UNBALANCED GARBAGE ! .  

 

Time to uninstall and find something else to do.   

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 2 Stunden, Sunleader sagte:

 

Of course Carriers are Popular.

Right now there is no easier way to earn Millions of Credits and get absurdly good Stats than to Play CV.

 

 

But if you think this popularity of CVs at the expense of all other Players will just silently be accepted over time.

I fear your delusional.

 

If Complaining doesnt work.

People will do worse. Which you can notice from the absurd Toxicity surrounding this Topic.

If that doesnt work they will Quit.

 

 

And Sorry Mate.

But the examples you mentioned never reached the Scale that the Sky Cancer thing already has now.

This will only get worse.

The one or the other way.

 

 

If people start being toxic because they don't get what they want then they might aswell just quit and only come back after they fixed that childish attitude.

There is never an excuse to be toxic.

[Toivia]

9 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

If people start being toxic because they don't get what they want then they might aswell just quit and only come back after they fixed that childish attitude.

There is never an excuse to be toxic.

Most people are toxic by default. When not even a game they play supposedly after their work can get them to relax and enjoy somewhat, they will only build up their toxicity. Expecting otherwise is naive.

[El2aZeR]

50 minutes ago, Namuras said:

Enterprise is very able to deliver even in T10 games tho... 

 

Last 21 days, mostly solo:

 

 

My guess is they're gonna pull her from sale. I don't believe they have any other choice really. A T8 CV that is more powerful than most T10 CVs is way too broken to remain as is.

[ThePopesHolyFinger]

On 5/10/2019 at 11:02 PM, Randathamane said:

Here's one for the CV discussion...
 I just sat there thinking 'Great... what do you want me to do about it?'

Git gud?

As morgoroth pointed  out, you really don't have the skills to play where you want to play.

It's not really your fault. WG fubared the game so badly by completely buggering up CVs in an effort to separate noobs from dubloons. And it working for WG only.
Noobs are unhappy with their lack of pay to win skills, and those who've been here for years are very unhappy with those who need pay to win skills.

Don't take it personally, but WG played you for a fool. Stop speding money with them.

[Namuras]

11 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Last 21 days, mostly solo:

 

 

My guess is they're gonna pull her from sale. I don't believe they have any other choice really. A T8 CV that is more powerful than most T10 CVs is way too broken to remain as is.

Not quite on your level yet, i have to work a bit better on target selection and not expecting my team to finish that 200 hp BB...

 

Also mostly solo (maybe 2 or 3 in Div):

 

 

And yes, they probably will need to pull her.

 

 

@El2aZeR:

Maybe she flies under WGs radar? There are people like this around aswell playing here considerable amounts  :

 

[B051LjKo]

49 minutes ago, Namuras said:

Not quite on your level yet, i have to work a bit better on target selection and not expecting my team to finish that 200 hp BB...

 

Also mostly solo (maybe 2 or 3 in Div):

 

Wow, this is a motivations for us potatos to improve. I am not sure where my stats are, but yours are amazing.

[MRGTB]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Last 21 days, mostly solo:

 

 

My guess is they're gonna pull her from sale. I don't believe they have any other choice really. A T8 CV that is more powerful than most T10 CVs is way too broken to remain as is.

I also think something is going to give way with that CV sooner or later, I reckon it will be nerfed down rather than pulled from sale. Or possibly even remove it from sale and make it a more expensive coal only CV

 

I have never used it, but the way people keep hyping on about it being so OP compared to all the other T8 premium CVs for sale. It just sounds too powerful and unbalanced compared any other premium CV sold. There really is no reason to buy any of the other premium Cvs by the sounds of it, unless you are buying them for looks or being a patriot buying your own nations CV. Otherwise that CV is an obvious first choice for damage it can dish out.

 

WG will probably milk sales of it being OP for a while, then later hit it with the nerf sledge hammer. I'm a bit surprised it's not being nerfed already in the next patch coming.

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

10 hours ago, TheBrut3 said:

Why not make people select if they wanna be matched with or without CV? Make platoons sit in the with CV pool.

This way we all be happy.

Causes MM issues - you'd ultimately have to cater for a separate 'advanced' mode for people who can cope with CV gameplay. What you've then got is two tiers of gameplay, normal with CV's and basic without.

[Toivia]

Great, for some unintelligible reason, people seem to have restarted playing DDs in my battles. What that means is that at the 5 minute mark, one team is entirely without DDs while the other one has them all. How's that? Well the one team with DDs has a CV that's competent and wrecks everything. The other team has a CV that uses rockets on BBs...

Of course I haven't had a competent CV on my team for days. Funny just comparing the stats, last battle it was 56% WR vs. 42%. Both CV mains with a couple hundred battles only.

[Pikkozoikum]

6 hours ago, Sunleader said:

 

I Disagree.

Lately its pretty obvious when playing.

 

9 out of 10 toxic and aggressive chat exchanges I see are about *Sky Cancer*

 

The Broken CV Rework is putting most other differences to Shame and has become by far the most Toxic Topic there is.

That'S your statistic, I got another

6 hours ago, DariusJacek said:

It used to be like this sometimes against DDs, radar or camping BBs one shooting CCs, but it was rare, now this rework with a much bigger number of CV games is really bringing the worst in many players. Out of frustration, some are losing it.

Just remember the last ranked with this new mode - people are mad like every match even without CVs. Play another game like LoL, people are mad there as well. Has nothing to do with specific mechanics, it's more because of a team game, where people think, they do well but lose because of something they can't manipulate

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

2 hours ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

If people start being toxic because they don't get what they want then they might aswell just quit and only come back after they fixed that childish attitude.

There is never an excuse to be toxic.

Amen. 

 

18 minutes ago, Toivia said:

Great, for some unintelligible reason, people seem to have restarted playing DDs in my battles. What that means is that at the 5 minute mark, one team is entirely without DDs while the other one has them all. How's that? Well the one team with DDs has a CV that's competent and wrecks everything. The other team has a CV that uses rockets on BBs...

Of course I haven't had a competent CV on my team for days. Funny just comparing the stats, last battle it was 56% WR vs. 42%. Both CV mains with a couple hundred battles only.

I find this has as much to do with DD skill and CV skill, often in a DD the measure of victory is me not falling prey to the CV, or simply having him waste his sqdns chasing me into a wall of AA.

 

2 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Just remember the last ranked with this new mode - people are mad like every match even without CVs

Been playing DD's adn CV's on PTS in ranked - it's been fine. Yes, blobbing for AA, but still fine. People have adapted.