CV Rework Discussion

[Tirande]

1 minute ago, rage1750 said:

 

I know people that report anyone (including friendlies) just because they are in a CV.

Yeah and if you say anything as a CV you get QQ chatbanned by the little ***s. :)

[Hundigo]

11 minutes ago, Tirande said:

So here's a thing, we got the anti-CV radicals whining about how CVs ruin the game for everyone; but how is it that this is acceptable behaviour:

The person in question died to my Haku torps;

I mean I've obviously reported him straight to WG support via ticket but still; I'm getting more than a little fed up with this.

 

 

that's the way to do it of course, you can report players that misbehave in chat. 

I self never insult the CV players, it's not their fault, they play with what them is given. 

You have also the opposite, CV players that insults other players. Yesterday I had a game where the opponent CV player was 'streaming'. You've seen his tekst in the chatbox ? Totally harrasments and insults to other players in the game. 

It would be nice if you mention these actions also 

It's easy now to post such things, because you've blocked the players name, what you should also by the rules. But it makes also you can hide behind everything because it can be annyone of the other players in the game . 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hundigo]

5 minutes ago, Tirande said:

Yeah and if you say anything as a CV you get QQ chatbanned by the little ***s. :)

For WG it isn't an issue, they've told that already in the past. It's just the same we as DD players has. We also get constantly 'reported' because some cruiser or BB player is not happy when he's been attacked by the opponents. It's Always the DD's players fault. A loss in the game, DD's fault. 

 

Today I was not even 2 minutes in the game, one was already chatting that the rest of the team had to report me. Several times I"ve been reported in the past, even I was amongst the first 3 in points at the end of the game. That system is systematicly abused in the past already, not now with the new CV rework. 

[DFens_666]

7 minutes ago, Hundigo said:

For WG it isn't an issue, they've told that already in the past. It's just the same we as DD players has. We also get constantly 'reported' because some cruiser or BB player is not happy when he's been attacked by the opponents. It's Always the DD's players fault. A loss in the game, DD's fault. 

 

Today I was not even 2 minutes in the game, one was already chatting that the rest of the team had to report me. Several times I"ve been reported in the past, even I was amongst the first 3 in points at the end of the game. That system is systematicly abused in the past already, not now with the new CV rework. 

 

Might aswell say, everyone gets reported for anything.

I think the class i report the most are BBabies sitting in the back...

[Tirande]

1 minute ago, Hundigo said:

 

 

that's the way to do it of course, you can report players that misbehave in chat. 

I self never insult the CV players, it's not their fault, they play with what them is given. 

You have also the opposite, CV players that insults other players. Yesterday I had a game where the opponent CV player was 'streaming'. You've seen his tekst in the chatbox ? Totally harrasments and insults to other players in the game. 

It would be nice if you mention these actions also 

It's easy now to post such things, because you've blocked the players name, what you should also by the rules. But it makes also you can hide behind everything because it can be annyone of the other players in the game . 

 

 

 

 

 

Redacting the player's name is mandatory under the 'rules' of the forum, and I'm getting more than fed up with the amount of flak I'm taking for playing CV and stomping some surface peasant's face in. Yes, I will target low AA targets first and yes I will keep smiting those targets till there is nothing left of them but ash and sorrow. And no, I don't take random QQ about not flying back and forth between 2 crybabies on my team who DEMAND I give them fighters or they'll start hurling abuse/reports at me. "CV MUST PROTEC LOW AA TEAM, NO DAMAGE FARM!" and I don't just spot for some campers; they can sod off and put their big boy pants on and not fap at the mapborder.

 

2 minutes ago, Hundigo said:

For WG it isn't an issue, they've told that already in the past. It's just the same we as DD players has. We also get constantly 'reported' because some cruiser or BB player is not happy when he's been attacked by the opponents. It's Always the DD's players fault. A loss in the game, DD's fault. 

 

Today I was not even 2 minutes in the game, one was already chatting that the rest of the team had to report me. Several times I"ve been reported in the past, even I was amongst the first 3 in points at the end of the game. That system is systematicly abused in the past already, not now with the new CV rework. 

Oh I fully expect to be perma reported when they push their "Playing CV punishment timer" since I'll just not move till the timer is up. Since I see no reason to be active when the game tells me I'm not allowed to do anything anyway; there is no point in moving with the Auto Pilot completely broken as it is. WG could and should own up to the fact that the rework is a failure and that fixing things atm is nothing but a soggy band aid... but that doesn't make them money so they don't really care for that.

 

Speaking of fixing things... :D just had my rocket planes going into strike mode but unable to fire the rockets, which was fun and engaging! After that they came out of strike mode and uncontrollably flew into a sudden flak wall! WG, can you fix things to make stuff more playable please? Or do I need to deal with a buggy client and a rushed unfinished rewan..rework.

 

[Xevious_Red]

48 minutes ago, Tirande said:

So here's a thing, we got the anti-CV radicals whining about how CVs ruin the game for everyone; but how is it that this is acceptable behaviour:

So while according to the forums everyone hates CV, meanwhile in game;

[ApolloF117]

3 hours ago, Xevious_Red said:

So while according to the forums everyone hates CV, meanwhile in game;

Well, when the cv helps the side that needs to be helped , sure i compliment those cvs too, but when 3 ship spawn on the other side , and the

dipstick still go helps the blob, now thats annoying... 

3 hours ago, Tirande said:

Or do I need to deal with a buggy client and a rushed unfinished rewan..rework

Yes, everyone dealing with wgs unfinished crap , mostly the rest of the other 3 shipclass ,except some cv fanatic doesent want to accept that crap does high damage in high tiers, and aa is a garbage along with every aa related module and skill, "uuu flak does high damage" well you can stick that right up where you want, because most of the time , flak doesnt do nothing, 60k dmg in a full AA speced jean bart, guess how many planes i took down, exactly 7, like what the hell, think in the rts system that would be 40, still get droped, but at least the cv doesn't fly away with most of its plane, just to come back and loose another 40....

 

 Core of the problem is planes gets too low direct damage , and everyone has to rely on how idiot the cv is , can we control our AA on the ships to lead target? no, we are playing with a bot on our ship that only can hit things if its moving in a straight line... Can we control our own AA when its needed? No , because wg thinks we are unable to multitask... The devs think if they are unable to do it, how could the players do... Only thing i can think of is, some imbecile from the wot team got invited to help make the new rework, and it happens to be an arty player..

 

Or this is the year of the cv that was promised in the end of 2017

[Seepheerd]

 

... and a banhammer killed before the idea were really opened up :D

[B051LjKo]

11 hours ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

Noone cares about you average Joe! xD

But if potatos of the world unite, they will have to care!

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 5 Minuten, B051LjKo sagte:

But if potatos of the world unite, they will have to care!

 

[El2aZeR]

Spoiler

 

*p2w intensifies* 

[Procrastes]

Spoiler

17 hours ago, Tirande said:

So here's a thing, we got the anti-CV radicals whining about how CVs ruin the game for everyone; but how is it that this is acceptable behaviour:

The person in question died to my Haku torps;

I mean I've obviously reported him straight to WG support via ticket but still; I'm getting more than a little fed up with this.

 

This is not acceptable behaviour. Not even in the slightest. You did absolutely right to report the author of that disgusting chat line. I'd report anyone who wrote something like that, irrespective of which team he belonged to.

 

No matter how frustrated we might be by a certain feature or game mechanic, it is never acceptable to take that frustration out on other players. We still have a predominantly polite and civil gaming community in WoWs, and it's up to us to keep it that way.

[bloodynicknames]

1 hour ago, Procrastes said:

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This is not acceptable behaviour. Not even in the slightest. You did absolutely right to report the author of that disgusting chat line. I'd report anyone who wrote something like that, irrespective of which team he belonged to.

 

No matter how frustrated we might be by a certain feature or game mechanic, it is never acceptable to take that frustration out on other players. We still have a predominantly polite and civil gaming community in WoWs, and it's up to us to keep it that way.

 

bloody snowflakes

[McGough]

1 hour ago, bloodynicknames said:

 

bloody snowflakes

I don't see a /s so I presume that to be a genuine response.  If you missed it, then as you were,  carry on.

 

Otherwise,

 

No. 

 

My kids also play this game and if I see someone being abusive and insulting in their chat then they will get reported.  Simple as that.

 

You want to be insulting and abusive in chat?  Don't cry about the consequences, this isn't your safespace.

 

[Procrastes]

10 minutes ago, WynnZeroOne said:

Also, what the f***?

I'd assume the post you're referring to, to be a deliberate provocation. My advice would be: Don't dignify it with a quotation, just report it and move on.

[bashenzen]

Normally I never post a comment in the forums, but I'm starting to get sick and tired of what CVs are now. They really feel like those OP monsters that even their supposedly natural counters should fear. Today in my Worcester I played against an enemy Hakuryu. I shot down like 65 planes, and the team combined shot down over 100 planes. To my horror the enemy CV kept coming back with full squadrons, only slight being depleted at the very last seconds of the game. This may be fun for the CV, but it's deeply frustrating for all the other ships involved. Even the help from our CV didn't help, the first strikes nearly always made it through to cause huge damage. 

I've the Midway myself, and I'm not going to lie, I'm a giant potato in it, but it still doesn't feel fair to other ships. The only thing I'm risking are my planes, other ships risk their HP. My planes infinitely regenerate, their health doesn't. I've been frustrated with both new and old CVs, but at least before the rework they weren't as common, and when their planes are gone they were useless. Especially recently I got more and more frustrated with CVs, and I have even stopped playing my DDs almost entirely. One game a week in them is a lot for me. I'm also starting to move away from BBs, because they are basically sitting ducks if I try to outflank the enemy. After today's game in my Worcester I'm seriously considering to just quit the game altogether. If an AA skills Worcester can't defend itself against an enemy CV even with help, what is the point?

I love the game, I really do, but the way it is now I just don't have fun playing it. It's not that I'm bad at the game. I have a nice winrate of 56%, and my average damage is not bad either. I can get over idiotic teammates, the enemy has them as well usually, and I can play around it. With CVs it's more like I can't do anything against them. If they want me dead, no matter what I do, I will most likely die. If not by his planes, it's by the spotting he gives to his teammates. I won't lie that I'm also on the verge of crying right now. Call me a baby all you want, but I see a game I have loved for a long time going to crap, thanks in large part to the CVs. It hurts. I'm not a particular well known player, but please Wargaming if you read this, do something! If you have read this whole piece of text, thank you whoever you are. If you are someone who has influence in this matter, please spread it, because I know I'm not the only one feeling this way. I will probably pop in once in a while to see what they've changed, but for now I will say goodbye, and thanks for all the fun games! May your recent experiences be better than mine.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

"Snowflake is a derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are over-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions."

 

That sounds like many of the players that go on rants in chat, then come to the forum to whine that the are being held accountable for violating WG policy.

[Procrastes]

4 hours ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

"Snowflake is a derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are over-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions."

 

That sounds like many of the players that go on rants in chat, then come to the forum to whine that the are being held accountable for violating WG policy.

Indeed. The hilarious part about the "bloody snowflakes" response, assuming it's genuine, is the frankly staggering amount of double standards it takes to pull off. At best, it is used by someone who has himself learned to shake off insults and abuse - which is a good strategy, by the way - but who can't muster any sympathy for those of a less fortified disposition. At worst, it is used by a bully whining about people questioning his right to bully, and saying they are whiners... I honestly find it puzzling, why people would choose to actually make a stand for the right to behave badly.

[_Teob_]

Cleaned the last pages of this thread so if your post disappeared, that's why.

Please try to be constructive. I understand that people feel very strongly about this topic but it won't help anyone if you break the rules and get sanctions.

[TheBrut3]

Why not make people select if they wanna be matched with or without CV? Make platoons sit in the with CV pool.

This way we all be happy.

[rising_uk]

Well just popped down to T6 to give the Spite a spin and it's a total joke having 2 CVs in a game, when are they going to put a stop to this?. Wave after endless wave of planes and absolutely zero enjoyment.

Have to thank WG tho' as I didn't realise how addicted I was to the game and how much cash I was spending. I've gone from an annual premium account and playing hours every day to a standard account and playing ten games at the weekend just to help the clan in naval battles. I just don't get the urge to even start the game up nowadays when before I couldn't stop thinking about playing the bloody thing all the time. Congrats WG as you have lived up to what the WoT boys said you'd do to the game sooner or later, that is, introduce some form of arty into the game and destroy any semblance of fun gameplay for the majority.

[rising_uk]

4 minutes ago, TheBrut3 said:

Why not make people select if they wanna be matched with or without CV? Make platoons sit in the with CV pool.

This way we all be happy.

Because pretty much everyone will choose 'without' CV and the CV players will quit and stop buying the premiums.

[Culiacan_Mexico]

6 minutes ago, TheBrut3 said:

Why not make people select if they wanna be matched with or without CV? Make platoons sit in the with CV pool.

This way we all be happy.

That would be an acknowledgement by WG that the multi-year CV rework had failed.

 

That would never happen.

[Sidian42]

9 minutes ago, TheBrut3 said:

Why not make people select if they wanna be matched with or without CV?

Because it wouldn't work without having a lot of CV players waiting for 5 Minutes only to fight 3 CVs vs 3 CVs. It would basically remove the CV class from the game which will not happen.
And on the other hand, if you allow people to select if they want to have CVs in matches, other players want to have the option for other shipclasses, too, which would completely destroy matchmaking, balance and in the end, the game.

[rising_uk]

Except I think most would agree that if they are ships they should be in the game. It's that the CV's are now really aeroplanes and it's a mix of an WoWP's and WoWs which just really is never going to work. But it doesn't matter as WG must have ground their numbers and know that players entering will fork out cash to P2W and outweigh the loss of those who leave in disgust, not least because they really have no competitor in this field. However if someone does enter the market with a good replacement or even a good sail based battleship game then my bet is WoWs members will desert in droves. I would as it's a total wind-up being a beta tester for WGing after I've spent my cash and I'm just thankful that my premium ran out just before this fubar rework.