CV Rework Discussion

[EgyptOverseer]

Well, What else are you supposed to play these days? A surface ship? 

[Tirande]

9 minutes ago, EgyptOverseer said:

Well, What else are you supposed to play these days? A surface ship? 

DDs can't shoot down planes they said, AA too weak they said. 2 CVs couldn't do jack to me and the only reason I ended up dying was cuz a CL came to save them while the rest of my team was fapping behind 2 layers of islands. What was that about AA not being OP? Either I'm some sort of AA jesus or some anti-CV radicals are spreading a false narrative. v.v

[HaachamaShipping]

18 minutes ago, EgyptOverseer said:

Well, What else are you supposed to play these days? A surface ship? 

Well, I do like playing some lucky ship...

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[Yukikaze_AL]

Vor 9 Minuten, Cagliostro_chan sagte:

Well, I do like playing some lucky ship...

  Inhalte verstecken

 

I like your commitment to the Yukikaze!

[El2aZeR]

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*insert something that mocks people who believe the rework is more balanced than the RTS iteration here*

 

Man, can't even get <10 min Kraken when top tier. smh

@Bear_Necessities told you Enterprise is too weak. WG pls buff urgently.

 

[EgyptOverseer]

Enterprise can delete a full health, AA spec, fully upgraded, AA captain Hipper through DefAA and with Fighter up.

 

Great rework. 

[Bear__Necessities]

23 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

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*insert something that mocks people who believe the rework is more balanced than the RTS iteration here*

 

Man, can't even get <10 min Kraken when top tier. smh

@Bear_Necessities told you Enterprise is too weak. WG pls buff urgently.

 

Stop showing off, I've told ya that before 

 

Also really liking Saipan, which totally needs a buff. Like Totally needs more planes. Too few planes please buff plane amount WeeGee!!

[EgyptOverseer]

This is totally fine...

 

BTW, it was perhaps the most obnoxious and willfully malicious in chat CV captain I have ever faced. Thoroughly calling others noobs and the like, as he easily deleted ships left right and centre.

 

I hope WG understands the dumpsterfire they created.

[El2aZeR]

9 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Stop showing off, I've told ya that before 

 

But how will people know how utterly WEAK CVs are otherwise? 

 

3 minutes ago, EgyptOverseer said:

I hope WG understands the dumpsterfire they created.

 

Your mind is wander close to fantasy comrade.

[Bear__Necessities]

27 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

But how will people know how utterly WEAK CVs are otherwise? 

 

 

Your mind is wander close to fantasy comrade.

Yes... “weak” 

[159Hunter]

6 hours ago, Tirande said:



DDs can't shoot down planes they said, AA too weak they said. 2 CVs couldn't do jack to me and the only reason I ended up dying was cuz a CL came to save them while the rest of my team was fapping behind 2 layers of islands. What was that about AA not being OP? Either I'm some sort of AA jesus or some anti-CV radicals are spreading a false narrative. v.v

So why don't you show the entire battle results? Because there were tier 6 CVs in game? Or because you lost the game? Or because if we'd check those CVs they'd be utter potatos with their stats who don't know how to play CVs.

This little image shows nothing about what you claim.

 

Oh and: the fact that you claim AA isn't weak and DDs can shoot planes with a Kidd as example just shows you don't understand DD gameplay in this meta. 

[Besserwisser3000]

Vor 11 Stunden, Saiyko sagte:

Then why first refer to wtr/pr, with is a stat that takes all games into consideration, and not only recent ones. Cause you can't feel like a "besserwisser" then? (at least until you find someone who knows what to look for in your glorious stats?)

 

Then why not stick with your old account then? Could have saved you some euro's too.

 

Nope, no one by that name registered.

 

 

My old account was permanently suspended from chat. Went a bit overboard there, was never good at losing.

I`m not about stat shaming, but when a low wtr guy tells me or others to adapt and overcome in the new and improved CV meta (*cough* beastofwar *cough*), I will mention them.

 

As for the name, I made a mistake yet AGAIN: "Saikyo" was the one I found.

[Procrastes]

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9 hours ago, EgyptOverseer said:

It just makes sense. Prime time MM in World of Warplanes.

 

9 hours ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Yet people still go on "WG caters to the 10%".

 

Buff a certain ship type so much that it owns the battlefield, and people will play it until it is nerfed. Once Wargaming gets around to rebalancing the new carriers to more reasonable levels of game impact, those numbers will most likely change.

 

But yes, that is one seriously bizarre queuing screen. What tier was it?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

I've stopped playing CV since Sub_Octavian on reddit announced further tweaks (likely nerfs) coming with 0.8.4. ☆

But at this point it will all be for nothing because Enterprise will likely just take Midways place as Number #1 CV performer in the game if the rockets and DBs recieve further tweaks (Midways). ♡

Let's see what's going to come and then it's back to harvesting tears ☆♡☆

[Sub_Human]

12 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I've stopped playing CV since Sub_Octavian on reddit announced further tweaks (likely nerfs) coming with 0.8.4. ☆

But at this point it will all be for nothing because Enterprise will likely just take Midways place as Number #1 CV performer in the game if the rockets and DBs recieve further tweaks (Midways). ♡

Let's see what's going to come and then it's back to harvesting tears ☆♡☆

Im not sure that its going to be tweaks, might just be that they are recapping what has been done and how it has affected the performace of the carriers (and other ships). Also we might get a glimpse of what they want for the future, but Im not sure they have decided on that yet.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 10 Minuten, Systergummi sagte:

Im not sure that its going to be tweaks, might just be that they are recapping what has been done and how it has affected the performace of the carriers (and other ships). Also we might get a glimpse of what they want for the future, but Im not sure they have decided on that yet.

As far as i know they wanted to have the CVs being balanced with the arrival of patch 0.8.4 so i can see some tweaks for individual CVs coming and i strongly believe Prem.CV will not see any nerfs except for the announced Plane takeoff restriction for their respective tiers. ☆♡☆

 

It's very likely that we will get either a HE Bombs dispersion or alpha nerf on Us CVs. I would call a higher Bomb dispersion even a buff to HE bombs since then they cover more of the BBs surface and can set more fires LOL ☆.

WG so far has always nerfed what the community complained about. They still complain about HE Bombers so it's very likely ♡.

[Sub_Human]

Played three games this morning, and Im not sure that I think the whole revork is as bad for DDs as people make it out to be. Yes there are still instances where you as a DD are completely at the mercy of the CV, especially if they gang up on you 2 or more. Im not playing t10 DDs any more, they are to clumpsy and easy to hit, both for the CVs and the people taking pot shots (as they should) when you are spotted. But t8s and 9s are ok most of the time. You definately have to be more careful with positioning, but radar already made this a thing, also juking shots by people you cant see should be done If you are spotted ever so briefly. The reason Im posting is that my win rate has skyrocketed the last month or so. I think I came back at 0.8.2 after taking a break at 0.8.0. It might be that Ive been lucky with MM, Im playing more low/mid tiers then before, or that a lot of good players have left the game. But I feel Im winning about 70% of games and have been for more then a month.

 

I still dont like carriers and think that they make the whole experience less fun, but they are not making it impossible to play DDs.

 

For me personally; making them easier to punish would go a long way towards making the experience better, knowing that if they misposition and get caught they suffer, just as a DD does when caught by planes in a cap (open water is less bad).

Bring back some form of fire that prevents them from launcing planes, or as Ive suggested make HE hitting the deck destroy planes. CV survivability (at high tiers) is already 70+%, lets bring that down a little. Also lower the time they have to deal a last strike from 2 minutes to 1 minute.

 

Thx for reading, and here are todays screens all games with CVs. Also note that all CVs survived besides the one I killed in the Kidd game.

 

 

 

[Asakka]

26 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

As far as i know they wanted to have the CVs being balanced with the arrival of patch 0.8.4 so i can see some tweaks for individual CVs coming and i strongly believe Prem.CV will not see any nerfs except for the announced Plane takeoff restriction for their respective tiers. ☆♡☆

 

It's very likely that we will get either a HE Bombs dispersion or alpha nerf on Us CVs. I would call a higher Bomb dispersion even a buff to HE bombs since then they cover more of the BBs surface and can set more fires LOL ☆.

WG so far has always nerfed what the community complained about. They still complain about HE Bombers so it's very likely ♡.

Lets just adapt when the changes come :)

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 2 Minuten, Asakka sagte:

Lets just adapt when the changes come :)

The only ones who will need to adapt are the anti CV crowd calling for nerfs because they won't find much more to cry about and i don't give a ☆♡☆ about changes as i will continue milking anti CV crowds tears with Midway and Enterprise ♡☆♡

[Tirande]

4 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

So why don't you show the entire battle results? Because there were tier 6 CVs in game? Or because you lost the game? Or because if we'd check those CVs they'd be utter potatos with their stats who don't know how to play CVs.

This little image shows nothing about what you claim.

 

Oh and: the fact that you claim AA isn't weak and DDs can shoot planes with a Kidd as example just shows you don't understand DD gameplay in this meta. 

I didn't show those cuz I didn't feel like redacting names but if you want to be a little plebtato:

So no, no T6 CVs and I redacted the names because you're actively NOT allowed to name and shame. And considering the DD Gestapo claims no DDs can AA anything at all invalidates your next complaint.

 

4 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

The only ones who will need to adapt are the anti CV crowd calling for nerfs because they won't find much more to cry about and i don't give a ☆♡☆ about changes as i will continue milking anti CV crowds tears with Midway and Enterprise ♡☆♡

Prefer Graf Zeppelin myself; dashing into close range AA, dropping and speeding out at 260-300 kts usually is more efficient; it's just a shame they neutered her damage.

[Sub_Human]

1 hour ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

As far as i know they wanted to have the CVs being balanced with the arrival of patch 0.8.4 so i can see some tweaks for individual CVs coming and i strongly believe Prem.CV will not see any nerfs except for the announced Plane takeoff restriction for their respective tiers. ☆♡☆

 

It's very likely that we will get either a HE Bombs dispersion or alpha nerf on Us CVs. I would call a higher Bomb dispersion even a buff to HE bombs since then they cover more of the BBs surface and can set more fires LOL ☆.

WG so far has always nerfed what the community complained about. They still complain about HE Bombers so it's very likely ♡.

He bombs are what is the hardest to deal with as a DD. They might even be the reason I tend to avoid playing t10 DDs right now. Getting chunked with 5-10k over and over when you have 20-25k health is heart wrenching. If you are good I cant mitigate that damage, while bad players will miss repeatedly. But Im not sure how they should change them so they wont be total crap. From my perspective dispersion sounds kinda good, but as you said It might hurt BBs more (fires) and cause potatoes to land more bombs on DDs when they miss .

[DFens_666]

33 minutes ago, Tirande said:

 And considering the DD Gestapo claims no DDs can AA anything at all invalidates your next complaint.

 

It does not, since you are referring to a premium DD So lets trash all Tech Tree DDs, and everyone can play Kidd, so noone has to whine!

Also how come, you dont have a single plane kill in one of your other DDs from the past week? I thought, DDs are those plane shredder machines

[Tirande]

5 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

It does not, since you are referring to a premium DD So lets trash all Tech Tree DDs, and everyone can play Kidd, so noone has to whine!

The DD Gestapo changes its narrative to suit the misinformation campaign it's enforcing yet again. Also, plenty of tech tree DDs can reliably AA down planes, stop spreading blatant and rampant lies about AA being too weak just because you want to be like your Twitter idols.

[black_falcon120]

2 minutes ago, Tirande said:

The DD Gestapo changes its narrative to suit the misinformation campaign it's enforcing yet again. Also, plenty of tech tree DDs can reliably AA down planes, stop spreading blatant and rampant lies about AA being too weak just because you want to be like your Twitter idols.

Well they can but you usually have to get a hull which sacrifices a gun or something...

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, Tirande said:

The DD Gestapo changes its narrative to suit the misinformation campaign it's enforcing yet again. Also, plenty of tech tree DDs can reliably AA down planes, stop spreading blatant and rampant lies about AA being too weak just because you want to be like your Twitter idols.

 

Yeah, im the DD gestapo

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The one who is spreading BS is youself here. When someone says, DDs are bad in shooting down planes, and your example is a PREMIUM DD, which has good AA (+ enemy Kaga seemed to be a retard ), which is supposed to "proof" that DDs are fine, then one can only facepalm to such nonsense.

How many planekills you can shoot down, even in a low AA ship, is down to how stupid the enemy CV is. Especially if its Kaga with its paper planes.

So you didnt prove anything with your 71 planekill kidd game.