CV Rework Discussion

[HaachamaShipping]

I caution against playing late at night. Go to sleep, it's better for your surface ships.

[DFens_666]

4 hours ago, Yamato942 said:

CV OP? 5AM, no players to play so MM worked like 5vs5, well one of that 5 was I in Midway, what can i say you? See screenshots, i killed almost every ship of enemy 5. And im not even the best cv player on server( around 70th position on wows stats). I mean cmon, dont be blind, fix it so im not stucked with Midway every day. Its simple not fair to other class, i feeling bad after this, its so bad that i need to chose do i want to be sadist who will ruin fun for all or even worse be a victim of other sadist in cv.

 

Yeah, please keep that up. Hopefully, people will quit the game and WG is forced to do something.

 

3 hours ago, Torped1ne said:

Keep on doing it they were not innocent they were the one's Who asked for rework so let them feel how the rework taste

1. you admit its broken

2. People are not Borg, if SOMEONE wanted the rework, doesnt automatically mean EVERYONE wanted a rework. And for sure nobody wanted that. Either way, doesnt matter what we want, WG wanted to sell more CVs. Only way to sell more CVs, is to get people to play CVs. RTS CVs were not popular because being RTS. Now its different, more people like it = more money for WG.

[Procrastes]

30 minutes ago, Tirande said:

Ah salty DD Gestapo tears, would you like to have all secondaries removed from BBs and CVs while you're at it so you can be the masterrace again? Why don't we also remove the Radar, Hydro and give all DDs 0.1m detectable torps? Sod off with your fake news narrative about CVs being OP due to unlimited reserves, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Leaving aside the complete irrelevancy of your reference to a 20th century police organisation, and a frequently misquoted 19th century philosopher, I find the idea of a weeping-child depiction of Herr Otto Flick quite hilarious.

Do go on.

[Panocek]

10 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

PROVIDE ANTI AIRCRAFT FIRE SUPPORT ! SUPPORT PROVIDE AA FIRE SUPPORT PROVIDE AA FIRE SUPPORT fml

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 49 Minuten, Panocek sagte:

 

I'm now holding records on total planes killed in Yamato (109) and Enterprise (104) on EU since rework because CV OP pls nerf

[Torped1ne]

43 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Yeah, please keep that up. Hopefully, people will quit the game and WG is forced to do something.

 

1. you admit its broken

2. People are not Borg, if SOMEONE wanted the rework, doesnt automatically mean EVERYONE wanted a rework. And for sure nobody wanted that. Either way, doesnt matter what we want, WG wanted to sell more CVs. Only way to sell more CVs, is to get people to play CVs. RTS CVs were not popular because being RTS. Now its different, more people like it = more money for WG.

During all the game i've done in RTS CV extremely rarely i've seen someone stand against the cv hate shitstorm so i assume the vast majority was ok with that so now i do not waste My piety for them.

They do not wanted this kind rework? Well neither me but i can adapt while they just moan

The only one's i can stand their complains are dd's because of course they Got punished too hard by these changes

So the reason of all of this is the profit? Yhea of course it is, but the game quality had dropped so i hope they won't get their due this time, in order to do not see such mistakes in future

 

[Uglesett]

25 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I'm now holding records on total planes killed in Yamato (109) and Enterprise (104) on EU since rework because CV OP pls nerf

Some players don't know how to avoid damage. News at 11.

[DFens_666]

26 minutes ago, L0V3_and_PE4CE said:

I'm now holding records on total planes killed in Yamato (109) and Enterprise (104) on EU since rework because CV OP pls nerf

Just shows that WG neither reduced the skillgap between CV players, nor did they even try to do that (which they openly admitted). Bad players fail even harder than before.

 

6 minutes ago, Torped1ne said:

During all the game i've done in RTS CV extremely rarely i've seen someone stand against the cv hate shitstorm so i assume the vast majority was ok with that so now i do not waste My piety for them.

They do not wanted this kind rework? Well neither me but i can adapt while they just moan 

The only one's i can stand their complains are dd's because of course they Got punished too hard by these changes

So the reason of all of this is the profit? Yhea of course it is, but the game quality had dropped so i hope they won't get their due this time, in order to do not see such mistakes in future

I think, a lot of people didnt like the RTS part of the old CVs, thats why they hated them. Suddenly that changed, and they became biggest CV fanboys   Proof? Forums... some streamers i watch...

Even RTS CV players admitted that something needs to change, but WG only did things which made it worse (AP bombs). I was also saying, that old CVs needed some changes. But this only made it worse, atleast when i look at my fun playing the game now.

And id say, not everybody is moaning because they cant adapt - some things are off balance, but the biggest problem i have, is just that its no fun to play anymore due to the meta change.

[Procrastes]

3 hours ago, Sprockett said:

and even if you manage to sink the CV hull they can still get a squadron of planes into the air and sink you and other ships for upto 3 minutes after you have sunk their ship!

Do I understand you correctly, that there is a time limit of three minutes on how long a flight squadron can remain in the air after their carrier? I thought the little buggers could fly around until they had either emptied their bomb/rocket loads, or else been shot down...!

 

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

They already do tho.

In fact getting close to the CV actually gives the CV the advantage at distances above ~7km as it allows them to bring a ton of DPM to bare.

Now that I think about it, I've had a hard time sinking enemy carriers even close up and one-on-one. And this was in my Exeter, no less... I am somewhat mystified as to why Wargaming has seen fit to supply our new carriers with fairy fire fighters... they just wave their little wands, and POOF! - the flames are out...!

 

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, Procrastes said:

I am somewhat mystified as to why Wargaming has seen fit to supply our new carriers with fairy fire fighters

 

Because WG believes players are too stupid to be given manual hull control.

Which is a completely true assessment of average skill tbh.

[black_falcon120]

11 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Because WG believes players are too stupid to be given manual hull control.

Which is a completely true assessment of average skill tbh.

It doesn't help that most of the time, players are concentrating on bombing the enemy, not on their carrier, it would probably be a few buttons too far to be a fun experience. 

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

Probably suggested before, but well.

Despite CVs being "Special" it still would be nice to see what my carrier is doing. Would be nice to have a HUD what shows what my boat is doing; the rudder, speed and what my damage con is doing... 

[black_falcon120]

BTW my planes keep getting bugged when i do the 'quck recall' is there a way of avoiding it?

[Panocek]

3 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

BTW my planes keep getting bugged when i do the 'quck recall' is there a way of avoiding it?

Only icon bugs out, it disappears when planes return home. And it happens on normal recalls as well.

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, black_falcon120 said:

BTW my planes keep getting bugged when i do the 'quck recall' is there a way of avoiding it?

 

You mean they hang around?

No, but don't worry about it. They become ghost planes and still return to your CV as normal. You just won't see them do so.

[black_falcon120]

2 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Only icon bugs out, it disappears when planes return home. And it happens on normal recalls as well.

 

2 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

You mean they hang around?

No, but don't worry about it. They become ghost planes and still return to your CV as normal. You just won't see them do so.

Thank you!

 

I was worried i was doing somethign wrong!

[159Hunter]

49 minutes ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

Probably suggested before, but well.

Despite CVs being "Special" it still would be nice to see what my carrier is doing. Would be nice to have a HUD what shows what my boat is doing; the rudder, speed and what my damage con is doing... 



CV players can't multitask, didn't you read the memo?

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

2 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

CV players can't multitask, didn't you read the memo?

[Sprockett]

5 hours ago, Procrastes said:

Do I understand you correctly, that there is a time limit of three minutes on how long a flight squadron can remain in the air after their carrier? I thought the little buggers could fly around until they had either emptied their bomb/rocket loads, or else been shot down...!

 

Now that I think about it, I've had a hard time sinking enemy carriers even close up and one-on-one. And this was in my Exeter, no less... I am somewhat mystified as to why Wargaming has seen fit to supply our new carriers with fairy fire fighters... they just wave their little wands, and POOF! - the flames are out...!

 

yup 3 mins of flying and striking with there last squadron airborn, so even when they are Hull dead they can still wreck your game.

as this replay shows at the end, after I have killed of the CV he kills me and another DD after his hull was dead. Balance...

https://replayswows.com/replay/46684#stats

 

[Sn0rkS]

WG...getting really tired of this. 1,5 minute into the game as a DD. Carrier spots me and takes 20k of me in 30 seconds (2 strikes)
I maneuver as heavily as I can with speedboost engaged. Still no chance.

Whole team saw it and everybody agreed in chat  (as usual) that your so called "BALANCED GAMEPLAY" is absolutely bs

Please REMOVE carriers all together. It ruins the gameplay.

What do u want to keep - 5-10% carrier base players or 90-95% other players??

[Hundigo]

14 hours ago, Yamato942 said:

CV OP? 5AM, no players to play so MM worked like 5vs5, well one of that 5 was I in Midway, what can i say you? See screenshots, i killed almost every ship of enemy 5. And im not even the best cv player on server( around 70th position on wows stats). I mean cmon, dont be blind, fix it so im not stucked with Midway every day. Its simple not fair to other class, i feeling bad after this, its so bad that i need to chose do i want to be sadist who will ruin fun for all or even worse be a victim of other sadist in cv.

Well WG isn't blind and they know exactly what is going on. The issue for them is not our complains, the issue for them is they can get away with it. 

I never played WoT, but it seems they did the same over there and many players left (quit playing and paying for it) that game , but most of them ended up here on WoW. So for WG it wasn't a big issue, they had the losses from WoT compensated by the gaines of WoW. The issue about the game self here now , WG knew from the start at the testservers and later on the metaservers from the start. Even at the testservers, all the testers informed WG that it would be totally harrasments from the CV's and that many ships , not the DD's alone would suffer a lot and not able to counterattack the CV's. 

 

You need something big to make sure that WG can not do that anymore and not get away again with it. And I'm pretty sure with the help of lawyers and the European commision and parlement we gonna be able to bring WG on their knees. I give 2 example's that worked also in the past and against company's that are much bigger then WG, it was against Facebook. In these 2 cases , the company lost and had to change. It created also a snowball effect, Facebook had to pay a lot to the European Gouvernement, because all of a sudden they found also other issue's. And all the Facebookusers also agreed with the policy and agreements of that company at the start. But it wasn't a free ride for Facebook at the end. We gonna have the same issue over here in WarGaming. You never thought that the person from Switserland never had the issue and the remarks he would never be able to achieve against the big company Facebook is ? He did, but he was willing to go for it and achieved it also at the end. The second one is also the same at the start. But she achieved it also, that was in the Netherlands. 

 

For me is, I'm a DD player and like I told in the past, I also bought different premium DD's. All know for their stealth. It was my choice. But when WG is changing the gamemechanics so drasticly that 'stealth' isn't a value anymore with the CV rework, then it becomes a customers issue. WG is on purpose misleading players/customers. 

 

Today I had a game where I was sailing just beside ( 20 meters) an AA cruiser of my team. That Midway CV player wrecked me anyway. I couldn't do anything and that AA cruiser was not able to help me, even he was fully AA upgraded. 

 

I self never blame the CV players, they play with what them is given. But everybody knows it is destroying the fun and the game for everyone else. DD's suffer the most yes, but all the other ships have the same problems with it. 

 

WG never accepted the impact that the CV's would have on the game. It's not that WG doesn't know it. It's just they can't solve it anymore, because then they are back to before the rework. None shall play the CV's. From the moment they start to change the CV rework again in the benefit of the other players, most of the current CV players shall stop playing CV's. So then WG is back off to zero. 

 

It's nice that Yamato942 is honoust about his feelings he had with the game. But it's not something WG didn't knew. It's almost 4 months now the CV rework is here. A lot of hotfix and other upgrades never changed the impact the CV's has on the game. And the rest of the players are stucked with it. And WG is laughing at the end. Probably the laugh with all our remarks. We payed them somehow in anyway so they don't care , they already have our money that I spend on the premium DD's for their 'stealth' 

 

But I self personally, I'm willing to take the step to go against WG at legal and courtrooms route.  And I'm pretty sure, they shall have to bow. It shall take some time, but yeah, I can have it. The last courtroom in the Netherlands against Facebook, such a big company. 2 weeks the time Facebook had, to make sure it would never be able to happen again. 2 weeks, not only to solve the issue, but also to make sure it would never be able to happen again. 

 

I may find the first WG employee that can explain that DD's are good ships about 'stealth' with CV's in the game. None shall ever be able to explain in a courtroom that DD's are good when CV's are also in the game. And the few AA strength a DD has in the game. WG can only advice to 'turn it off'. Then why a DD should even have any AA ? If your only solution for the problem is; "turn it off". 

 

By the first upgrade, you asked the players too continue playing, it would help WG to collect data. Even we had already the same issue's we have still today. With the time of the testservers, WG already had 6 months the time, to collect the data and to solve the issue. How much time WG need more ? You really think you can have "eternity" to solve the issue for the 'none CV players' ? It's not only that the CV's can do in the game, it's also that the other players can't counter them. The AA and automatic reaction of it isn't enough. To make it verry 'blunt' if a CV player can take any ship out within the first 3 minutes gameplay, why can't the rest of the  team can't take the CV out in the first 3 minutes of the game ? YOu wish Always 'constructive' answers. Well mine is, give all the players a 'nuke' button that every player can 'nuke' the CV out of the game in the first 2 - 3 minutes of the game. 

 

 

 

[ThePopesHolyFinger]

16 hours ago, Stony_mayhem said:

Here is my thoughts. Oh my. Where to start. .

This CV-Rework made the game awful.

 

 

 

Solution.

Un-Fubar what was Fubar'd

 

 

A simpler solution :)

[Sprockett]

CV's in WoWs - No fun for you - as a wise sage Claus say

[peter_943_2017]

and than stil putting t 8 ships  in a battle with t 10 carriers

what kind of a sick joke is that

[Pascalinov]

Dear WG.

Can someone from the WG team can respond to this message?

CV rework is a failure.. As a dd main, I can't play any T6 and up game. Its getting worse with 2 CV's per side.

If a CV wants you dead (dd is an easy target always) you can't do anything.

I tried Neptune in a T10 match and the Midway was harassing me bad.

 

I want a clear answer. Are oyu going to do anything with the CV's? Currently there is no fun, all the time trying to avoid the planes, hiding in a smoke with disabled aa, etc..

 

If theres is no answer I will stop playing and giving money in this game.. (still have more of 300 days premium)

 

Thank you in advance for your answer.