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Please leave any feedback on the updated "Operation Dynamo" here.

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Just something I thought was missing, but it should be possible to use Commonwealth ships in the mission, thinking of the HMCS Haida here (as the criteria is tier 6 & 7 DDs), as I noticed Poland was included as an accepted nation to use in the mission, and as the Commonwealth is an extension of the RN it would kinda make sense, more so than the Russian DDs that are allowed.

 

You could also include Pan Asia as well as the tier 6 & 7 in the line are Russian and RN ships originally.

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Just now, AndyHill said:

How is this going to be balanced when you can have 0-7 full AAA-spec Mahans in your team?

 

What about AA spec'd Sims? :cap_rambo:

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CAVEATS:

- I only played it once, 3 stars, 3rd in the team....meh!

- I am not a big fan of operations any more

- the motor torpedo boats are extremely annoying opponents in a Farragut (in anything really)

 

OBSERVATIONS:

- I think that the type and number of opponents is just right

- The new mechanics for the minefields are better since they give you a fairer chance of navigating through them

- The choice of ships is a joke (US & Russian in PT) What happened to the French & British DDs that were loaned to players for the original Dunkirk op?

-  Respect to the US Forces in WW2 but US Voice is not appropriate for the voiceovers. It is just a straight-up historical blunder.

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Hi WG.

 

Well done on Operation Dynamo Blunder

 

You at WG have well and truly drop the ball on this opt Dynamo.

 

It's was a British and French opt and you lot forgot that, there's no British or French ship in this scenario instead you have put in American and Russian ships HOW DISRESPECTFUL IS THAT.    

 

America was not in the war at that time and i think Russia was signing agreements with Germany as war broke out so no Russian ships help in Dynamo.

 

This link may help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_evacuation

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15 minutes ago, Jessa_Doom said:

Hi WG.

 

Well done on Operation Dynamo Blunder

 

You at WG have well and truly drop the ball on this opt Dynamo.

 

It's was a British and French opt and you lot forgot that, there's no British or French ship in this scenario instead you have put in American and Russian ships HOW DISRESPECTFUL IS THAT.    

 

America was not in the war at that time and i think Russia was signing agreements with Germany as war broke out so no Russian ships help in Dynamo.

 

This link may help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_evacuation

The reason that there are no French and RN DDs is that it is on the PTS server and so you don't have Aigle or Galant, and by the time the OP goes live the RN DDs will have been released, that's why there are only RU and US ships, cause that is all that there is available, they are wanting opinions on the enemy balance and any tech issues, not a historical accuracy lecture.

 

Also I am fine with there being a larger ship selection option as it will allow players that haven't grind'ed the only line you could use (RN), + 3 premiums as of now.

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1 minute ago, Chaos_Umbra said:

The reason that there are no French and RN DDs is that it is on the PTS server and so you don't have Aigle or Galant, and by the time the OP goes live the RN DDs will have been released, that's why there are only RU and US ships, cause that is all that there is available, they are wanting opinions on the enemy balance and any tech issues, not a historical accuracy lecture.

 

Also I am fine with there being a larger ship selection option as it will allow players that haven't grind'ed the only line you could use (RN), + 3 premiums as of now.

That's not strictly true.

The last time that Dunkirk was on the PTS server Wargaming provided a British and a French destroyer (the "Anthony" and the "Cyclone"), and loaned this to everyone when the patch went live.

You give me one good reason why they could not have done it this time?

(Of course if you say "Sheer incompetence" or "Just Bloody Mindedness" I will have to conceded that you have a point):Smile_smile:

 

 

Also, I though that this Op was to be released in 0.7.9 ( I could be wrong), whereas we don't get the Royal Navy boats until 0.7.10?

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47 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

That's not strictly true.

The last time that Dunkirk was on the PTS server Wargaming provided a British and a French destroyer (the "Anthony" and the "Cyclone"), and loaned this to everyone when the patch went live.

You give me one good reason why they could not have done it this time?

(Of course if you say "Sheer incompetence" or "Just Bloody Mindedness" I will have to conceded that you have a point):Smile_smile:

 

 

Also, I though that this Op was to be released in 0.7.9 ( I could be wrong), whereas we don't get the Royal Navy boats until 0.7.10?

 

I think the idea was that since last time the op was available WG were gonna re-balance it for use in the normal rotation of OPs. When we had it before the only non given ship that could be used was the Gallant, and it was primarily balanced around those 2 given DDs which had very different stats to normal tier 5 DDs, plus they both had Def AA available. The whole Aircraft to AA balance needed to be reworked for it to work on the normal DD lines, plus it has changed from tier 5-6 to tier 6-7 so that also needs to be accounted for.

 

That's why it was being reworked so it can be added like Hermes was.

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1 hour ago, Chaos_Umbra said:

it was primarily balanced around those 2 given DDs which had very different stats to normal tier 5 DDs, plus they both had Def AA available.

Fair enough. :Smile_honoring:

But the trouble now is that they are balancing it round two DDs which should not even be in the operation in the first place.

Leave the damn thing in development until there is a line of British AND French DDs....and THEN re-introduce it.

 

The last thing we need is YET ANOTHER OP FOR ALLIED SHIPS ONLY.

How many of these do we need for Heaven's Sake!

Let's have some German or Japanese ONLY missions for a change.:Smile_izmena:

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

The last thing we need is YET ANOTHER OP FOR ALLIED SHIPS ONLY.

How many of these do we need for Heaven's Sake!

Let's have some German or Japanese ONLY missions for a change.:Smile_izmena:

 

 

Axis OP called the Channel Dash anyone? :cap_rambo:

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from the original devblog post:

 

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at the moment US and Soviets are the only nations with tree DDs that can be used for this operation, so of course it does make sense to balance the operation mainly against those ships because they should be the most 'common' used later on the live server

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Can WG confirm if the Live version of the Operation will revert to the original ships, or the expanded Allied DD list we're seeing now?

 

I started playing after this Operation was created, so was very excited to see in the patch notes that it would be coming back. I read that Icarus took part in the evacuation as well, so hope to see her there when RN DDs are released.

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14 hours ago, Dahula said:

Pls, for the love of god, ask jingles to do the voice for the mission @MrConway

 

Too late I am afraid :(

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Are WG expecting players to respec their DD and captains into an AA config just to participate in the scenario?  That seems a touch unreasonable to me.

 

It worked last year because you had special boats and dedicated captains, I can't see how you are going to balance it around tech tree ships that most likely will be played in a normal stealth config rather than a highly unusual BFT/AFT/SI/SSE config.

 

Also, there was no such thing as a Colonel in the Royal Air Force last year and that is still the case, the correct rank is Group Captain.

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Hi All.

 

Some say that British & French DD are not available and yet they were for the last time this opt was in play.

 

Some disagree that it's don't have to be historical, well say that to the those that were there and how would the Russian developers of this game would like if a games company made a game of the Russian wars using other nations instead of Russian.

 

It's not just historical, it's respect and common sense and this sort of augment would have been avoided.

 

If the new British DD tree is soon to be implemented into the game why are we not testing those ships now in this test opt or why update this opt if it's not correct or the British & French ships are not ready.      

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13 hours ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

Fair enough. :Smile_honoring:

But the trouble now is that they are balancing it round two DDs which should not even be in the operation in the first place.

Leave the damn thing in development until there is a line of British AND French DDs....and THEN re-introduce it.

 

The last thing we need is YET ANOTHER OP FOR ALLIED SHIPS ONLY.

How many of these do we need for Heaven's Sake!

Let's have some German or Japanese ONLY missions for a change.:Smile_izmena:

 

 

Hi H Nelson. & all

 

Agree but not many Axis battles apply in any opt,  yes there are a few Japanese ones like the task force at the Battle off Samar where they were up against Halsey's battle force Taffy 3, or the Perl Harbor attack and etc but they all result in Allies defending a win.

 

The only German one of any good would be the battle of Jutland WWI but they went back to port with their tails between their legs. (That was not a win or lose battle)

 

Maybe there are others, but nearly all battles were Allied orientated wins, and axis battle attacks were they won were very rear.

 

Yes i do think we all would like a Axis Battle from their perspective as a what if they one opt.     

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Just watching you guys play this on the livestream. Could the difficulty scale depending on the friendly team composition? I.E. For AA specialised T7 DDs have harder red planes, more HP and/or more planes per squadron.

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5 hours ago, Jessa_Doom said:

Hi H Nelson. & all

 

Agree but not many Axis battles apply in any opt,  yes there are a few Japanese ones like the task force at the Battle off Samar where they were up against Halsey's battle force Taffy 3, or the Perl Harbor attack and etc but they all result in Allies defending a win.

 

The only German one of any good would be the battle of Jutland WWI but they went back to port with their tails between their legs. (That was not a win or lose battle)

 

Maybe there are others, but nearly all battles were Allied orientated wins, and axis battle attacks were they won were very rear.

 

Yes i do think we all would like a Axis Battle from their perspective as a what if they one opt.     

You speak the truth about real life!  :Smile_honoring:

 

It should not be a problem though. WG could just make something up, just like they make up practically everything else in the game in the interests of playability.

e.g

reload of torpedoes at sea

firing from smoke

magic circles in the ocean that give you something called "capture points"

ship repairs at sea which in real months would have taken months in dry-dock

super-strong fantasy russian ships  to please the russian players and p-off all the other players who are not russian. :Smile_smile:

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6 hours ago, Jessa_Doom said:

Battle off Samar where they were up against Halsey's battle force Taffy 3

Minor point: Halsey was in charge of the 3rd fleet, Task Force 77 was part of the 7th fleet and thus were under the command of Thomas Kinkaid.

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One other point, there is no rank of Colonel in the RAF, it's either going to be Squadron Leader or Wing Commander... So when the defensive fighters appear, the announcement sort of sucks. Just Check Wikipedia for the evidence of what the ranks should be...

 

Agree with the suggestion above - the channel dash by Scharnhorst and Gnesenau would be interesting.  Could also look at destroyer missions for German & UK DD relating to the Norway Campaign.

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Historically it is hinky to have US Navy ships when the USA was still neutral (in the British Empire's favour) and Soviet ships when the Nazi-Soviet Pact was still in operation, and since part of that pact was the partitioning of Poland between them and the USSR did invade and occupy part of Poland the crew of the Blyskawica might be tempted to have an accident with their Torpedoes at the sight of Soviet ships.

 

Gameplay wise though I understand (as I said in another thread) why they needed to include the USN and Soviet navy and avoid the operation being premiums only(pending the release of the RN DDs. I also wondered if RNCS Haida was being excluded because 1/4 speed is slow enough both to be safe in the minefields and for her creeping smoke, so she wouldn't be enough hampered by straying into those.

 

Agree with the comments about there not being a rank of Colonel in the RAF, commented last time that was either an impostor or someone who in twenty years hadn't yet got over the fact he was no longer in the Royal Flying Corp (which used Army ranks until being merged with the Royal Navy Air Service to form the RAF). Other problem with the announcements, that I think was also commented on last time, was that it talks about English and French soldiers being rescued and I don't think the little-ships left behind all the Scots and Welsh and other nationalities than English or French behind. Though there are Scots who'd be quick to point out that was Scottish soldiers who held the line while the British (and allied) forces cut off from reaching Dunkirk were evacuated through other ports, and to single out that those forces included Englishmen. 

 

One concern I have about the scenario is that the AA on the Gallant is abysmal (2 quad machine guns), just like the AA on the "special" DDs last time was, but last time that was balanced by making the planes weak enough for the AA to still be effective. This time though the planes are strong enough to stand up to the sort of firepower the Mahan or Minsk can put out, so it seems the Gallant would be useless against them. It is hard to not be cynical and wonder if this is purposeful to get people to Free-XP to RN DDs with useful AA or grind for or buy the Cossack, with the profits that people paying for doubloons for XP-Conversion or buying the Cossack would bring. Is going to be interesting to see just how bad the Gallant will be for this, and if taking her into the scenario will get any salt from people.

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47 different Royal Navy, French Navy Destroyers and Polish Navy (single ship) are listed as having been involved in operation Dynamo. HMS Gallant as a prem ship has been available and HMS Icarus at lvl VI of the tech tree is due, both of these were there.

 

       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_at_Dunkirk

 

The real issue is why would you use anything other than USA Destroyers like the Mahan or Sims, a few of these with an AA build and defensive fire manage to clear the planes without many issues as their range and DPS is well above anything you can do with the other ships.

 

As for HMS Jervis the new lvl VII Royal Navy Destroyer, she may have been sent, but at the time was stuck in dock, having repairs done as she was involved in a collision. 

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7 hours ago, Capra76 said:

Minor point: Halsey was in charge of the 3rd fleet, Task Force 77 was part of the 7th fleet and thus were under the command of Thomas Kinkaid.

Hi I know that i just made it simple for the ones that don't fully know all the facts of that battle.

 

Though Halsey left taffy 3 to go on a glory hunt, taffy 3 they were still part of the full battle group, and i was just making a reference to Axis forces battles as part of the enemy side of What if scenarios to Admiral H Nelsons comment. 

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