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So I'm just wondering how you are supposed to play against a Harugumo in Ranked provided you are in an american DD - Obviously Gearing (which basically just transformed overnight from a brawler to a pussy because WG want the suckers to grind towards the "new" jap dd?   /s

 

WG seems to be interested in making people grind (and obviously spend money in the process)  with every patch. This Hargumo is OP as [edited]right now  in ranked as it can contest and flush /kill other dd's with ease.  Same old crap money making tactics like in WoT. Pathetic.

 

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It has drawbacks. Tougher to yolo a flank in a gearing or YY now though. You might have to change your tactic a bit.

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On 28/08/2018 at 9:12 PM, ColonelPete said:

Teamplay? Just an idea....

LoL. In Ranked? There are so many bad players that don't listen to anyone playing  ranked now that i would never mention the word "team". 

 

Dd's should be balanced against OTHER dd's not [edited]make it balanced against other ships in my team. Right now you don't have any chance against one unless you keep it spotted and run while praying someone in your retarded team is not that bad to aim but other than that it's impossible to contest cap due to the enormous firepower harugumo has. It is a [edited]cruiser with DD name. You need your entire team to focus fire on it to die as quickly as possible and that just doesn't happen most of the time.

 

Anyway . good job *edit .

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On 28/08/2018 at 9:20 PM, clocky said:

Dd's should be balanced against OTHER dd's not [edited]make it balanced against other ships in my team. Right now you don't have any chance against one unless you keep it spotted and run while praying someone in your retarded team is not that bad to aim but other than that it's impossible to contest cap due to the enormous firepower harugumo has. It is a [edited]cruiser with DD name. You need your entire team to focus fire on it to die as quickly as possible and that just doesn't happen most of the time.

 

Anyway . good job *edit .

So... what do you think shima players think about meeting Gearings? dds aren't supposed to be balanced against each other (as in match ups/counters), other when it comes to WR.

 

edit: just for clarification purpose... Some dds counter other dds easily, just like as it is with cruisers.. Gearings can torp Harugumos, but are probably the underdog in a straight up gunfight. Can't yolo like you used to.

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1 hour ago, clocky said:

So I'm just wondering how you are supposed to play against a Harugumo in Ranked provided you are in an american DD - Obviously Gearing (which basically just transformed overnight from a brawler to a pussy because WG want the suckers to grind towards the "new" jap dd?   /s

Just play cautiously and outspot him?

Harugumo might not have Khaba level of concealment but it sure as hell doesn't pass for actual DD concealment either. Your Gearing is still a brawler but even then - I don't expect you doing much brawling against light cruisers and that's basically what Harugumo is - even if for a cruiser the stealth is amazing. Still, you want your team to kill her when you spot her or - that being impossible for some reason - you want to kite her and hope for the best (where the best is the rest of the team finally remembering to shoot at the overextenting Harugumo).

 

1 hour ago, clocky said:

WG seems to be interested in making people grind (and obviously spend money in the process)  with every patch. This Hargumo is OP as [edited]right now  in ranked as it can contest and flush /kill other dd's with ease.  Same old crap money making tactics like in WoT. Pathetic.

Harugumo has powerful artillery and huge health pool (for a DD) for which she pays with

 - bad stealth

 - bad maneuwverability

 - extreme reload on torps (and when the TRB runs out - a very low number of torps, without the "ghost launcher" from the consumable you're left with pitiful 1x6 on t10)

 - mediocre speed (although this she shares with Gearing).

 - vulnerability to carrier drops (although that's less important in Ranked where you almost never meed CVs, especially if you consciously avoid them)

Gearing is an extremely versatile DD. She's anywhere from "pretty good" to "REALLY good" in pretty much any role you'd want a DD to play. Why do you believe that she should be on even ground in a straight-up gun duel against a DD single-mindedly specialized for straight-up gun duels? It's the fact that Gearing can compete with Shima in torping that's an abomination, NOT the fact that she gets ripped to ribbons when finding herself in mano-a-mano with Harugumo...

 

1 hour ago, clocky said:

Dd's should be balanced against OTHER dd's not [edited]make it balanced against other ships in my team. Right now you don't have any chance against one unless you keep it spotted and run while praying someone in your retarded team is not that bad to aim but other than that it's impossible to contest cap due to the enormous firepower harugumo has. It is a [edited]cruiser with DD name. You need your entire team to focus fire on it to die as quickly as possible and that just doesn't happen most of the time.

So...

You need to play against it kinda like any torp-focused DD plays against a gunboat or hybrid? Stand to reason that a hybrid meeting a gun super-specialist should play out similarly. Even if in this case the hybrid for some reason can go toe-to-toe in torping with THE torpboat of t10 and - until now - sported the best t10 DPM. I can understand that finally meeting a specialist that's clearly better than your "jack of all trades" in their specialty might be a bit of a shock :Smile_teethhappy:

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2 hours ago, clocky said:

 

 

WG seems to be interested in making people grind (and obviously spend money in the process)  with every patch.

 

 

You don't say!

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For every good ship there will always be a stupid person playing it or someone having a bad day or making bad choices. Wait for those moments and then own them. In other words, change your strategy, pick your fight. As OB1 said: his over-confidence is his weakness'..or something like that...or was it DV? Can't remember. On the other hand, what you can remember is you can't win them all.

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2 hours ago, clocky said:

Dd's should be balanced against OTHER dd's not [edited]make it balanced against other ships in my team. Right now you don't have any chance against one unless you keep it spotted and run while praying someone in your retarded team is not that bad to aim but other than that it's impossible to contest cap due to the enormous firepower harugumo has. It is a [edited]cruiser with DD name. You need your entire team to focus fire on it to die as quickly as possible and that just doesn't happen most of the time.

 

Ever used torpedos? The Haru turns like a brick.

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They are slow, large and turn like oil tankers. Do not attempt to enter into a posterior kicking contest with a porcupine and get into a trading match with them. Instead bait them into opening fire then disengage and let your team deal with them. I've also had a lot of success torpedoing them, especially creeping up on them whilst they are busy spamming from smoke or just torping an area I expect them to take up residence in. RPF is very handy for making sure you don't bump into them head first with your pants down. If I think one is near I adjust my angling or speed so that when I meet it I can quickly smoke up or turn away once they open fire and preserve my hp pool whilst my team takes care of theirs.

 

If they do slow and smoke they are easy to torpedo before they can angle/relocate in the smoke screen and also pretty easy to continue blind firing even when you've lost vision.

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4 hours ago, clocky said:

So I'm just wondering how you are supposed to play against a Harugumo in Ranked provided you are in an american DD - Obviously Gearing (which basically just transformed overnight from a brawler to a pussy because WG want the suckers to grind towards the "new" jap dd?   /s

 

WG seems to be interested in making people grind (and obviously spend money in the process)  with every patch. This Hargumo is OP as [edited]right now  in ranked as it can contest and flush /kill other dd's with ease.  Same old crap money making tactics like in WoT. Pathetic.

 

 

Well if you decide to duke it out in a cap with a t10 gunboat you might win but you will at best have half your hit points left. Seems like a fairly stupid way to play DDs. You will live more often with a Harugumo but you will still have that clumsy ship with the stupidly OP guns and the very slow reload on your torpedoes. 

 

It's slow, easy to hit in smoke, does not steer worth a damn and accelerates like a mid tier cruiser. Stay out of caps unless you have a Minotaur or Des within a few km. It's probably worth respecing as a torpedo boat for ranked. 

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oh... a gunboat captain is crying because there is a better gunboat now owning him :)

how fun to see that...

 

what do you think IJN DD captains face against a fletcher or ognevoi in a Yugumo,

or a grozovoi or a gearing or a YY in shima..

 

do you think we cry and whine?...

 

 

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11 hours ago, eliastion said:

 - bad stealth

 

6.2km.

Gearing got 6.0, YueYang got 5.9.

Even with a small and agile DD like YueYang, you still have more than 600 meters of turning radius. You can't seriously outspot the Harugumo with only 200 to 300 meters of buffer.

 

However, everything else you said is true. Harugumo isn't agile at all, and the trick is to deny the gunboat contest and instead make it so your allies can shot at him. Harugumo melt his HP as soon as a BB or a CA starts shooting at it. In the end between a YueYang/Gearing and Harugumo, it's only the skill of both player that will make the difference. Harugumo out-DPM by a mile and can send a large carpet of 6 or 12 torpedoes, while Gearing and YueYang are way more agile and spots a little faster. Also, Gearing can torp the oil-tanker quite easily while with YueYang you can always get out of detection range and radar.

 

I admit I am myself surprised by the efficiency of the Harugumo in ranked. I tried it a bit randomly, thinking "at least it should be a bit fun" and I was met with unexpected success. The sheer DPM it can provide, alongside the 12km torpedoes I didn't expect to work this well is very interesting. And since most DD player are very, very bad, it's actually quite easy to keep your star if you killed one or two of them in case of defeat. Like, yesterday, I lost a game in which I landed a torpedo and sunk a Khabarosvk, and killed a full HP YueYang in a straight gunfight.

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Soo i guess the PT - PM - LS - BFT (or DE) - CE - IFHE - AFT is the way to go? 

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12 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Soo i guess the PT - PM - LS - BFT (or DE) - CE - IFHE - AFT is the way to go? 

Nope, AFT is too expensive to take.

PT-LS-AR-BFT (or SE) -SI-CE-IFHE and 3 million range module is best. Unlike Khebab, you have actually access to the range module, and it's a very interesting option to take.

You can also trade AR for JOAT or for two 1 points skill like PM+IFA of course.

 

EDIT : Ironically, the biggest danger for Harugumo is the Shimakaze. It really is outspot by the Shima, which is also much faster, can take some opportunity shot and can send 15 torpedo his way.

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Harugumo is slow and has all the agility of a pregnant cow close to labour, this is a non-issue. Every other DD can dictate the engagement 1vs1. Where it gets nasty is when the Harugumo teams up with the one actually way OP ship right now - Worchester and her stealth radar. That's when you realise you just grabbed your ankles... But the thing that needs fixing isn't the IJN DD, it's concealment less than radar range.

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How can a Gearing dictate terms vs Harugumo? Better stealth of Gearing is definately useful, but not nearly enough to dictate the engagement. Normally he will also spot you, and then you will take a shitton of damage until you can disengage (and it is not like the Gearing just runs away).

 

I did try torping them one game, two torp hits! After that he proceeded to kill me. Turns out they can actually survive two Gearing torps. Overall they sure have their downsides, but the DPM is imo too much. Especially since it is vs everything. The downside of the line used to be small caliber guns. But who cares if HE penetration has been improved till that of a larger caliber. What does caliber even matter at all if there is no relation to penetration on a bunch of ships anyway?

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I wonder what it's legendary module will do.... unless some one already knows, it's not on the wiki?

 

I've seen a few in ranked, they go down just as quickly as any other ship when addressed properly.

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13 minutes ago, Sissors said:

How can a Gearing dictate terms vs Harugumo? Better stealth of Gearing is definately useful, but not nearly enough to dictate the engagement. Normally he will also spot you, and then you will take a shitton of damage until you can disengage (and it is not like the Gearing just runs away).

 

I did try torping them one game, two torp hits! After that he proceeded to kill me. Turns out they can actually survive two Gearing torps. Overall they sure have their downsides, but the DPM is imo too much. Especially since it is vs everything. The downside of the line used to be small caliber guns. But who cares if HE penetration has been improved till that of a larger caliber. What does caliber even matter at all if there is no relation to penetration on a bunch of ships anyway?

Was that a serious question? In any competitive mode I assume you got RPF on Gearing, even if Harugumo has it too - which I don't really see all that often - you know from what direction you will get spotted and have superior concealment, speed and agility. Keep spotted, force smoke, torp smoke, wait for radar cruiser to react to F3-spam, smoke up yourself, gun down, if still at all necessary.

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1 hour ago, ShinGetsu said:

Gearing got 6.0 5.9, YueYang got 5.9 5.8.

:fish_glass:

 

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How to dictate the fight with and deal with haragumo:

 

Me in a (pure gunboat build) yueyang, enemy in haragumo. We both go to the nearest cap at the start of the game. I spot him a little sooner so I start turning away and as I am turning he spots me.

 

The gunduel starts but my aim is perfect because i had that 3 sec buffer and he has to adjust and shoot at a kiting, faster and more agile dd while i am shooting at a ship bigger than khaba. So even though his dpm is far greater the initial engagement is in my favor.

 

I keep this up until he starts to land more shells so I smoke up. The guy smokes up aswell but his ship is so big and clumsy that I can still hit him in his smoke even though I have no vision. (If the enemy is really good he can shoot you back just as good so then its wiser to hold your fire obviously). Ofcourse he torps me so I will not sit in my smoke like a potato so I get out of there. I can cap later. 

 

But the 300m stealth buffer is essential for your survival (and rpf ofcourse so you know where he is coming from). This way you can always have that first strike opportunity. 

 

Rinse and repeat.

 

Note: in this situation i did not account for friendlies/enemies helping out or whatever. Just a pure 1v1. 

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force him to slow down and smoke and then torp him.
also hope your team realizes the danger this ship poses and focuses it .

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Its hilarious how easy this HE spam cancer is to play in Ranked.

Flambass was yesterday rank 6 just by playing this crap, and today is probably very close to rank 1, if not achieve it already.

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The Harugumo is not a premium ship so why you say about the money.

 

I agree with you that it is the most OP ship now of th eentire game.

 

Cant wait to get it to fkn boost all my stats

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