ARP ships -- do they need to be gimped?

[jss78]

Speaking specifically about the camos, and the inability to mount one that gives the gameplay (not economic) advantages?

 

I don't really care with the Kongo, but with Myoko these things are all important. Especially with an increasing number of BB's pushing into the same concealment range (which another, but separate, topic for discussion)

 

As it is, I find it hard to justify playing the Myoko at all, when I have a good selection of non-gimped CL/CA.

 

Might WG consider simply giving the lock-in anime camo the regular -3% concealment and +4% dispersion? Literally every other ship always runs these, and I don't see how this would break the game.

[hgbn_dk]

Mine are port queens for the exact same reason. Plain grey which doesn't bother me. It's the camo bonuses or lack of same.

[Jvd2000]

I agree, even if free the most bare camo (without xp or silver bonussen) should be applied. As an paid Atago owner the free Takao did iniitially  ruffle my feathers but giving it basic camo would be fair. Although the ships now provide ideal JPN captain training even without camo modifiers...  that 300 meters, why not WG.

 

 

[DFens_666]

Not too long ago i saw MrConway say that he would forward that i believe. So maybe they are thinking about it already. Not sure where it was tho, so dont pin me down on it^^

[Verblonde]

It's not like the idea of 'built-in' camo having regular camo bonuses is unprecedented: it's exactly what they do already in WOT...

 

 

[Yedwy]

Sold off all exept takao, and i kept her  mostly as a memento and to Play occasional bout in it, works ok for me as such

[WashedandDeceased]

While I agree with OP, I could play devil's advocate and point out that you can put any captain on an ARP ship, which is nice (e.g. Yamamoto with 19pt. on the Hiei) 

[RAHJAILARI]

I have them all, but have barely played any. Somehow I have kept them tho. Perhaps it is finally time to bow to the inevitable and sell them off already, since I see little reason for keeping them. Might keep some of the higher-point captains tho.

[Miessa3]

22 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

I have them all, but have barely played any. Somehow I have kept them tho. Perhaps it is finally time to bow to the inevitable and sell them off already, since I see little reason for keeping them. Might keep some of the higher-point captains tho.

Why sell them? Nachi is excellent bait for trolling.

[RAHJAILARI]

6 minutes ago, Miessa3 said:

Why sell them? Nachi is excellent bait for trolling.

True dat, but I kinda never play them actually. The only reason I have not sold them yet is that I still have some port slots left and don't really need the credits either so it kinda does not matter either way. But on the whole, it doesn't really make sense keeping ships that you're not going to actually use. Unless just for decorative purposes perhaps?

[NothingButTheRain]

Give me all your ARP ships! I will gradly take them from your heavy loaden backs! 

[eliastion]

14 hours ago, jss78 said:

Speaking specifically about the camos, and the inability to mount one that gives the gameplay (not economic) advantages?

 

I don't really care with the Kongo, but with Myoko these things are all important. Especially with an increasing number of BB's pushing into the same concealment range (which another, but separate, topic for discussion)

 

As it is, I find it hard to justify playing the Myoko at all, when I have a good selection of non-gimped CL/CA.

 

Might WG consider simply giving the lock-in anime camo the regular -3% concealment and +4% dispersion? Literally every other ship always runs these, and I don't see how this would break the game.

"Do they need"? Well, the short answer would probably be "yes" - they were introduced in a different era. Were they to appear now, they would likely not be ships but special perma camos (and they wouldn't be obtainable for free  ) - but then they got added as ships. And their main defining trait was how they looked, so this couldn't really be made customizable... And as the game progressed and devs learned to do different things differently... the collab is over and WG doesn't really touch these ships anymore.

I don't really see them adding an option to mess with camos to any extent. The most likely scenario if WG were to even do anything, ever, would be them just buffing the ships by slapping the standard camo combat modifiers on them by default.

[Miessa3]

11 minutes ago, eliastion said:

"Do they need"? Well, the short answer would probably be "yes" - they were introduced in a different era. Were they to appear now, they would likely not be ships but special perma camos (and they wouldn't be obtainable for free  ) - but then they got added as ships. And their main defining trait was how they looked, so this couldn't really be made customizable... And as the game progressed and devs learned to do different things differently... the collab is over and WG doesn't really touch these ships anymore.

I don't really see them adding an option to mess with camos to any extent. The most likely scenario if WG were to even do anything, ever, would be them just buffing the ships by slapping the standard camo combat modifiers on them by default.

Renember when they gave out anime captains for "free"? Jeah good old times.

[eliastion]

8 minutes ago, Miessa3 said:

Renember when they gave out anime captains for "free"? Jeah good old times.

Well, this collab they actually gave me one for free so it wasn't as bad as HSF.

I also have a silent hope that some of that stuff in future collabs will become available in Arsenal for one resource or another (even doublons that are possible to earn in-game, even if only in limited quantities).

[HaachamaShipping]

3 hours ago, eliastion said:

Well, this collab they actually gave me one for free so it wasn't as bad as HSF.

I also have a silent hope that some of that stuff in future collabs will become available in Arsenal for one resource or another (even doublons that are possible to earn in-game, even if only in limited quantities).

HSF gave you one for free too. Don't you appreciate captain Grumpycat Isoroku?

[Yedwy]

Wait wasnt nelson free as Well?

[eliastion]

19 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

HSF gave you one for free too. Don't you appreciate captain Grumpycat Isoroku?

No. It has an anti-voiceover that's so unbearable that I checked it out and then forgot this captain even existed

[HaachamaShipping]

4 minutes ago, eliastion said:

No. It has an anti-voiceover that's so unbearable that I checked it out and then forgot this captain even existed

At least HSF collab gave a free permacamo for TX Yamato with almost all the bonuses (most importantly -50% to maintainance). So, it's not like HSF was worse than AL. Imo, AL in pretty much all ways other than free Nelson over free Isoroku is a worse deal than HSF. From the extra stuff that comes in the bundle (HSF bundle had doubloons, dragon/wyvern/hydra signals and the Isoroku camo to inflate the price, AL came with Siren camos) to the crappy permacamos they sell for insane prices (basically the T7/8 equivalent of space camos, just that space camos look like someone actually put in effort). And a complete lack of ships.

[Procrastes]

19 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Not too long ago i saw MrConway say that he would forward that i believe. So maybe they are thinking about it already. Not sure where it was tho, so dont pin me down on it^^

I remember this as well. I think it would be a good idea. And as it probably wouldn't cost Wargaming too many man-hours of programming, and very likely sell them a neat bunch of ARP ships if they time it well, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes through.

[eliastion]

3 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

I remember this as well. I think it would be a good idea. And as it probably wouldn't cost Wargaming too many man-hours of programming, and very likely sell them a neat bunch of ARP ships if they time it well, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes through.

The collaboration has long ended so they won't be selling any ARP ships, though...

[Ubertron_X]

Why not grant all ARP ships the ability to mount any camo, which however is just not displayed? This way this more or less regular ships could mount and use camo like any regular ship does?

[Jvd2000]

6 hours ago, Miessa3 said:

Why sell them? Nachi is excellent bait for trolling.

Not only that, her voice is atleast quite easy to listen to. That 20 Russian kills though... 

[JapLance]

I use some of the Myokos regularly, and the Takao every now and then. Kongos not really because I don't usually play tier5, not because the ships themselves.

 

I think they're all perfectly playable even without the camouflage bonus.

[jss78]

2 hours ago, JapLance said:

I use some of the Myokos regularly, and the Takao every now and then. Kongos not really because I don't usually play tier5, not because the ships themselves.

 

I think they're all perfectly playable even without the camouflage bonus.

 

Yeah, of course they're playable. They're strong ships.

 

It's just a psychological sticking point. You never, ever, in any other scenario, need to play without those basic gameplay bonuses. Whether on silver tree ship with Type 5, whether premium ship, whether any perma/event/whatever camo. Just makes you want to play something else. 

[Zemeritt]

7 hours ago, Ubertron_X said:

Why not grant all ARP ships the ability to mount any camo, which however is just not displayed? This way this more or less regular ships could mount and use camo like any regular ship does?

 

Pretty much this or make their camo a premiumcamo by itself. It does't even need to have many bonusses.

 

6 hours ago, Jvd2000 said:

Not only that, her voice is atleast quite easy to listen to. That 20 Russian kills though... 

 

Yes, Nachi is one of my favourite VO in this game.