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[ROBBYD]

Hi All

 

Am I being a bit simple here or are the japanese boats,be coming harder  to play??? Due poor amour  slow turrents  and constantly being pinged by radar, it seems most of the ships in battle now are American,German with a few Russian and brit boats chucked in for good luck.This is not a rant but just a personal observation.

[ROBBYD]

Lol forgive the heading not sure what happened there think predictive  txt on phone may have had a head fit

[JH_87]

"ARE IN BOARD BECOMING INPOSSIBKE TO PLAY"

 

 

[JH_87]

IJN ships are still good, Zao for example received a major buff. Shima is awesome for BB hunting. Yamato is still powerful. 

Akizuki is insanely good after the recent buff. 

[Affeks]

14 minutes ago, ROBBYD said:

Hi All

 

Am I being a bit simple here or are the japanese boats,be coming harder  to play??? Due poor amour  slow turrents  and constantly being pinged by radar, it seems most of the ships in battle now are American,German with a few Russian and brit boats chucked in for good luck.This is not a rant but just a personal observation.

In general many IJN ships have been powercrept, though most important ships have been kept alive by recent buffs. Low tiers probably have it worst, but all tier Xs have gotten due buffs and are all adequate imo. 

 

Personally Ibuki still needs a major touch up. Now that Cleve completely outguns Mogami and has the utility to outclass her as well she probably needs some minor buff. Idk about DDs, but at least Akizuki can hold her own.

[BrusilovX]

You do realize that if you edit your first post you should be able to edit the title?

 

[evp66]

2 hours ago, Affeks said:

In general many IJN ships have been powercrept, though most important ships have been kept alive by recent buffs. Low tiers probably have it worst, but all tier Xs have gotten due buffs and are all adequate imo. 

 

Personally Ibuki still needs a major touch up. Now that Cleve completely outguns Mogami and has the utility to outclass her as well she probably needs some minor buff. Idk about DDs, but at least Akizuki can hold her own.

I play Aki a lot and now after last patch it is good.If it is buffed moore it will be maby OP against its own tier DDs,but at least lower tier.

[Affeks]

1 hour ago, evp66 said:

I play Aki a lot and now after last patch it is good.If it is buffed moore it will be maby OP against its own tier DDs,but at least lower tier.

Thats exactly why I said she could hold her own. Shes close to last on my list on underpowered IJN ships.

[El2aZeR]

IJN CVs still rule supreme (barring at T7 where the abomination called Saipan exists).

IJN BBs perform fine.

IJN cruisers are okay to pretty good. Some ships could use some minor buffs.

IJN DDs are largely obsolete.

 

That's one IJN line being completely swept over by powercreep. And to be fair no line should be as utterly useless in the face of their competition as the IJN DD line is, but that's pretty much it.

[AnEvilJoke]

6 hours ago, JH_87 said:

"ARE IN BOARD BECOMING INPOSSIBKE TO PLAY"

 

 

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

7 hours ago, ROBBYD said:

Lol forgive the heading not sure what happened there think predictive  txt on phone may have had a head fit

 

You could at least change it now. 

Looks f.ucking ridiculous. 

[Pametrada]

Please don't correct the title of this thread. Post #3 cracked me up.

[Yedwy]

Just Wait for the next “start 15 Fires and do 100000k fire damage in a single battle with a t6+ cruiser” (TM) marathon mission and u will see zaos and mogamis pop up everywhere 

[Mr_Snoww]

19 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

IJN CVs still rule supreme (barring at T7 where the abomination called Saipan exists).

IJN BBs perform fine.

IJN cruisers are okay to pretty good. Some ships could use some minor buffs.

IJN DDs are largely obsolete.

 

That's one IJN line being completely swept over by powercreep. And to be fair no line should be as utterly useless in the face of their competition as the IJN DD line is, but that's pretty much it.

In randoms the the midway completely out classes the haku but yes at all other tiers the IJN cvs are better. Unless we are count g enterprise. 

[El2aZeR]

7 minutes ago, Mr_Snoww said:

In randoms the the midway completely out classes the haku but yes at all other tiers the IJN cvs are better.

 

Nah, Haku is better in literally every way but is also more difficult to play. In that she kinda strikes balance with the Midway.

Enterprise is actually worse than Shokaku overall. It's just that people love playing ships vulnerable to AP bombs.

[evp66]

47 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Just Wait for the next “start 15 Fires and do 100000k fire damage in a single battle with a t6+ cruiser” (TM) marathon mission and u will see zaos and mogamis pop up everywhere 

Or when they release Kitakaze and Harugumo...sky full of shells...

[RAHJAILARI]

Weel, I do think they might be generally speaking somewhat underpowered when compared to others. Especially in the gun department. But what should be done about it? Hmmm...

 

Perhaps IF we were to be so bold, as to make the sk. "Gunboats" actually able to engage other DD's with their guns (buff traverse and reload a bit) and I mean especially tiers 5-7? from Akitsuki onwards they are already OK. Then perhaps improve the stealth of Fubuki by 200m and Akatsuki 500m to make them stealthier. Or maybe switch places with shiratsuyu and Akatsuki, since Akatsuki is the better gunboat of the 2 anyways.

 

So basically put most of the TRB-optional ships (Shira, Kagero and Yugumo) into the Torpedoboat line and maybe the faster DD's into the gunboat line (well Akitsuki  exempted). That would also make sense in terms of differentiating the 2 DD lines in some meaningful way.

 

We could also think about improving their torp stealth a bit to make them more viable. OR maybe just improve their speedboost a bit to make it easier to disengage, when in a doodoo (because TB's are painfully slow) ? I like the basic TB idea anyways, so we just need to balance it out correctly that's all.

[Mr_Snoww]

13 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Nah, Haku is better in literally every way but is also more difficult to play. In that she kinda strikes balance with the Midway.

Enterprise is actually worse than Shokaku overall. It's just that people love playing ships vulnerable to AP bombs.

Haku used to be better than midway untill the AA heavy meta. It can out last a haku, and out strike a haku. Unfortunately the days of the haku are over. I've easily beaten super unicum haku even with the special upgrade fairly comfortably. And there's a reason the haku is harder to play. Because it's not foas good lol. The only situation where the haku is better is when you need to kill a lot of dds very quickly at the end of a game as it can get its 1 strike out faster. But during a game where all AA ships are in play the midway can either delete the AA ships with AP bombs or attack 2 separate targets on either end of the map forcing the haku to sit its fighters making it possible for a midway to 1v1 a fighter and bully its strike through. Whereas a haku only has 1 main strike group as the bombers are just dot damage and usually has to use the majority of its fighters to get a strike through useless it is late game. 

[ROBBYD]

Well gents I did not expect so many comments on this topic so the dodgy heading served  it's purpose. But still think jap DD,s are struggling and B&B shell dispersion is a bit hit and miss but hey hoo still enjoying the game

[Excavatus]

20 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

IJN CVs still rule supreme (barring at T7 where the abomination called Saipan exists).

IJN BBs perform fine.

IJN cruisers are okay to pretty good. Some ships could use some minor buffs.

IJN DDs are largely obsolete.

 

That's one IJN line being completely swept over by powercreep. And to be fair no line should be as utterly useless in the face of their competition as the IJN DD line is, but that's pretty much it.

IJN BBs...

 

- Oh hello edinburgh! Lets bur you shall we? ( in my Ibuki )

- waiting anxiously!... tick! tock! tick! tock!

- Boooom! 8K hit with full HE salvo, 2 fires.. nice!

.

.

ok..

someone targeting my...

edin.. is that you?

nope??

who is that... ? I hope thats not the Republiq over there..?

nope?

UCHUUU SENKAN YAAA-MAAA-TOOO!

 

ringing in the ears, citadelled from aft! lost %40 of my hp.. from 24kms away.. !

 

Ok.. I should go silent then! Sorry edin!

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Apart from that, I find IJN cruisers are very well designed.

I love germans more, but It only comes down to the captain when you go 1 on 1 with them..

 

I do not agree with you completely, that the IJN DD line is dead,

yes very UP with the recent changes.. but Shima has a great spot and used very very frequently in CB. That should say something.

 

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On the other hand?

I am just curious.. why people call SAIPAN an abomination?

and I heard some for KAGA as well??

A little enlightment may be?

[Yedwy]

T9 planes in T7 cv - so they limited number of planes in squad, but that was not “user friendly” so they made it not loose a fighter when strafing out of click on lock,  meaning not only are your fighers faster then others and have shitload of ammo (so can strafe for ages) but they can strafe in and out without penalty and if u re espetially prone if ruining another cvs day u have 3 sqads of those. An example - i click u on and u re locked, i bring in my other squad in strafing and simultanrously strafe out with the first, result - if u strafe out immediately (on time) and evade my strafe you are already plane Down (not to mention vulnerable to follow up strafe or re-lock from the first sqad) if i manage to strafe out and “stun” your sqad they ll be decimated while i dont take any losses doing it so even if i miss u so its a lose lose for u... ofc if u outplay me u outplay me but it violates the basic strafe out sacrafise machanic giving an unfair advantage

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, Mr_Snoww said:

I've easily beaten super unicum haku even with the special upgrade fairly comfortably.

 

Likewise I've easily bullied enemy super unicum Midways in my Haku.

 

1 hour ago, Mr_Snoww said:

And there's a reason the haku is harder to play. Because it's not foas good lol.

 

Nah, Haku just scales better with skill but also demands a higher skill floor to play effectively.

 

I will agree that having AP bombs is hilarious against AA cruisers, tho. Then again AP bombs shouldn't exist in the first place.

[Mr_Snoww]

23 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Likewise I've easily bullied enemy super unicum Midways in my Haku.

 

 

Nah, Haku just scales better with skill but also demands a higher skill floor to play effectively.

 

I will agree that having AP bombs is hilarious against AA cruisers, tho. Then again AP bombs shouldn't exist in the first place.

And how do you propose that it requires higher skill? 

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, Mr_Snoww said:

And how do you propose that it requires higher skill? 

 

A lot of squads + faster service times and the fact that individually Midway fighters are stronger means that Haku requires much better map awareness, decision making, micromanagement and perhaps most importantly a good grasp on fighter combat. The faster playstyle alone is often enough to throw people off.

if you are capable of doing all that however then Haku unleashes potential that you can often only dream of in a Midway. For every strike a Midway flies you can almost fly two. Every time a Midway spends her fighters you can fly two strikes. You can use your DBs as expendable scouts if you wish to do so. Your fighters service so fast you can afford to resupply every time a Midway has to turn around. And so forth and so on.

[Excavatus]

1 hour ago, Excavatus said:

On the other hand?

I am just curious.. why people call SAIPAN an abomination?

and I heard some for KAGA as well??

A little enlightment may be?

@El2aZeR you don't love me anymore?

why you pass on my quest for enlightment!?