[GOEPT] Crusherheads [GOEPT] Weekend Tester 559 posts Report post #1 Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) Come ON! This is just a example... seriously................ 1 tiers 8 per side in this match, Wthell........... *edited* I mean this just desmotivates a person to the GROUND, what is so fun playing a match like this.... Also i tend go suicide mode at this kind of matches. Edited January 20, 2019 by hierrark comment edited for inappropriate remarks 2 4 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyllon Players 2,588 posts Report post #2 Posted July 28, 2018 Games like that are very rare and even in them, you can still make a difference and be useful. Suicide is not an answer. Imagine you are top tier and your only destroyer on the team decides to suicide, because he doesn't like the matchmaker... 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] wilkatis_LV [THROW] Players 5,061 posts 10,702 battles Report post #3 Posted July 28, 2018 On 7/28/2018 at 2:55 AM, Crusherheads said: Spoiler Come ON! This is just a example... seriously................ 1 tiers 8 per side in this match, Wthell........... *edited* I mean this just desmotivates a person to the GROUND, what is so fun playing a match like this.... Also i tend go suicide mode at this kind of matches. *khm* posted at about 1 AM to 3 AM throughout the Europe, depending on which time zone you are in *khm* You are playing during the night when the servers are rather unpopulated, what did you expect? And t8 BBs (with the exception of Monarch) are more than capable of fighting tier 10 ships On 7/28/2018 at 2:55 AM, Crusherheads said: suck's What you have written there is "suck is". I'm sure you meant "sucks" without the apostrophe. I find it rather hilarious that the only "bad English" part of your whole post is your signature containing the "my English may be bad" message 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VAR] Ulvesnutepostei Players 636 posts 8,871 battles Report post #4 Posted July 28, 2018 You can do a lot for Your team so no need to suicide, that only benefits the enemy and you let Your team Down …. make the best of it every game 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HU-SD] Prospect_b Players 2,655 posts 14,214 battles Report post #5 Posted July 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ulvesnutepostei said: You can do a lot for Your team so no need to suicide, that only benefits the enemy and you let Your team Down … If you ram a tier X BB it's a good deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Commander_Cornflakes WG Staff, WoWs Wiki Team 3,711 posts 15,747 battles Report post #6 Posted July 28, 2018 On 7/28/2018 at 2:55 AM, Crusherheads said: Come ON! This is just a example... seriously................ 1 tiers 8 per side in this match, Wthell........... *edited* I mean this just desmotivates a person to the GROUND, what is so fun playing a match like this.... Also i tend go suicide mode at this kind of matches. This is the World Of Warships Forum, not the Let Every Noob Make His Own Matchmaking Whine Thread Forum. The only problem here is you going suicide. 5 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdiJo Players 1,419 posts 11,712 battles Report post #7 Posted July 28, 2018 2 hours ago, wilkatis_LV said: *khm* posted at about 1 AM to 3 AM throughout the Europe, depending on which time zone you are in *khm* You are playing during the night when the servers are rather unpopulated, what did you expect? Server population does not justify such a MM, we could easily wait a bit longer to have fair game. Quote And t8 BBs (with the exception of Monarch) are more than capable of fighting tier 10 ships It depends what do you mean by "fighting". Vs HE spam they are extremely vulnerable (lower hp/armor stats + artificial fire chance increase), and they are much less accurate and weaker. Apart from the US ones they are food for T10 CV, without much resistance. Anyway, the problem of +/-2 tier MM is not limited to Tier 8 battleships. Plenty of ships from tiers 5-8 suck when uptiered, and having only 1-2 lowest tier ships in a team is not rare at all. I recently took my Texas for a single ride, and was glad seeing carriers in queue - but what I got was... almost purely T7 game with T7 carrier. In an unturnable weakly-armored BB with 16km range, 34+ second reload on weak guns and 20.5 kn speed (fully upgraded premium with 19-point survival specialist!) it was the opposite of fun. The only T5 in teams were BB (me) and a DD. "We" won, the poor enemy NewYork of course finished last on the scoreboard. 2 hours ago, Skyllon said: Games like that are very rare having only 1-2 lowest tier ships in a team is not rare at all. 1 hour ago, Commander_Cornflakes said: This is the World Of Warships Forum, not the Let Every Noob Make His Own Matchmaking Whine Thread Forum. Well, this simply means that the "World of Warships" problem persists. Ignoring it by "Unicums that vote it is OK, because it doesn't affect them" doesn't change the fact 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RJCTS] Boris_MNE Players 1,568 posts 10,303 battles Report post #8 Posted July 28, 2018 full yolo, die, blame wg and mm. thats what i would do too. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #9 Posted July 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said: full yolo, die, blame wg and mm. thats what i would do too. Don't forget to blame your team as well for camping, not radaring the enemy DD and lack of spotting by your CV. @OP: suicide is not the option. You'll never learn anything from those games and that'll keep you clueless on how to play in such a game as bottom tier. Which in turn will make you more annoyed and angry the next time it happens. Plus, you're letting your team down because of your feeling, pretty selfish move no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RJCTS] Boris_MNE Players 1,568 posts 10,303 battles Report post #10 Posted July 28, 2018 39 minutes ago, 159Hunter said: Don't forget to blame your team as well for camping, not radaring the enemy DD and lack of spotting by your CV. @OP: suicide is not the option. You'll never learn anything from those games and that'll keep you clueless on how to play in such a game as bottom tier. Which in turn will make you more annoyed and angry the next time it happens. Plus, you're letting your team down because of your feeling, pretty selfish move no? I am the cv, I wont blame myself. Where you got that brilliant idea :D 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mangrey Beta Tester, Players 740 posts 20,955 battles Report post #11 Posted July 28, 2018 11 hours ago, Skyllon said: Games like that are very rare and even in them, you can still make a difference and be useful. Suicide is not an answer. Imagine you are top tier and your only destroyer on the team decides to suicide, because he doesn't like the matchmaker... no it is not rear after the new grind for the Tir 10 ships. I have bin top tir once the past week with a tir 8 ship, rest of the time is was like OPs Pic. mang 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EON] plisicK Players 4 posts 6,860 battles Report post #12 Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) On 7/28/2018 at 2:55 AM, Crusherheads said: Come ON! This is just a example... seriously................ 1 tiers 8 per side in this match, Wthell........... *edited* I mean this just desmotivates a person to the GROUND, what is so fun playing a match like this.... Also i tend go suicide mode at this kind of matches. im new player (450 battles) just unlocked tier 8 and imidietly started having huge issues that until then i didnt have at all. i played abt 50 battles so far andabt 90% if not more look exactly like this ss, im still half stock, and ewen if i were full this would still be extreamly wrong and unfair. i get like 6 tier10 matches and than like 1 tier9 or 8, and than again 7 tier10.... and to top it all off when i say tier10 match i dont mean "oh there's 2-3 ter10 ships, oh no, there is like 10 of them and 1-2 tier 8, mby 1 tier9........ what kind of fairness is that? when i asked in chat wtf is wrong with mm? answer i get by tier10's is "it works just fine for me", when i wrote ticket, answer i got was generalized, and completly unrelated to my issue, only thing that gm achieved is to close my ticket. pls spare me from saying that i probably play in weird (late) hours, cuse its not the case, and telling me that i can still winn matches, cuse im not complaining abt wining or loosing matches. i dont expect that this *edited* will get anny beter soon (if ewer), and i certanly do not intend to be annyone's practice target... i'm gonna play bit more, but result that i see is me soon not playing this game any more, "like came like go". this just one of several issues i found with this game, and while i could mby put up with other issues, i will not tolerate this one at all. ... *edited* i guess some games have barely 50K players and some other have 5M and far more. bdw good luck is just saying, i honestly dont whish WG anny sucess. Edited January 20, 2019 by hierrark comment edited for inappropriate remarks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Commander_Cornflakes WG Staff, WoWs Wiki Team 3,711 posts 15,747 battles Report post #13 Posted July 28, 2018 On 7/28/2018 at 3:55 PM, plisicK said: im new player (450 battles) just unlocked tier 8 and imidietly started having huge issues that until then i didnt have at all. i played abt 50 battles so far andabt 90% if not more look exactly like this ss, im still half stock, and ewen if i were full this would still be extreamly wrong and unfair. i get like 6 tier10 matches and than like 1 tier9 or 8, and than again 7 tier10.... and to top it all off when i say tier10 match i dont mean "oh there's 2-3 ter10 ships, oh no, there is like 10 of them and 1-2 tier 8, mby 1 tier9........ what kind of fairness is that? when i asked in chat wtf is wrong with mm? answer i get by tier10's is "it works just fine for me", when i wrote ticket, answer i got was generalized, and completly unrelated to my issue, only thing that gm achieved is to close my ticket. pls spare me from saying that i probably play in weird (late) hours, cuse its not the case, and telling me that i can still winn matches, cuse im not complaining abt wining or loosing matches. i dont expect that this *edited* will get anny beter soon (if ewer), and i certanly do not intend to be annyone's practice target... i'm gonna play bit more, but result that i see is me soon not playing this game any more, "like came like go". this just one of several issues i found with this game, and while i could mby put up with other issues, i will not tolerate this one at all. *edited*.. i guess some games have barely 50K players and some other have 5M and far more. bdw good luck is just saying, i honestly dont whish WG anny sucess. Yeah man, it's totally the T8 matchmaking at fault. That's also why your T8 stats are way better than your T7 stats, right? Oh, wait, that doesn't make any sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #14 Posted July 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Boris_MNE said: I am the cv, I wont blame myself. Where you got that brilliant idea :D You can always play at low tiers with two CVs. In that case: blame the other guy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] Strapps [TOXIC] Players 1,135 posts 5,968 battles Report post #15 Posted July 28, 2018 14 hours ago, Crusherheads said: How stupid this can be? I mean this just desmotivates a person to the GROUND, what is so fun playing a match like this.... Am I strange for enjoying being in that sort of situation? It's a challenge and I relish the chance to see how well I can perform when the chips are down and not simply playing a ship by rote. Sure, I'm not such a fan when I get a run of such battles but if I think that's happening I'll change ships to break the cycle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdiJo Players 1,419 posts 11,712 battles Report post #16 Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, wilkatis_LV said: Lower HP - yes. Quote Lower armour - no. US BBs are nearly in their final form. KM BBs have their armour almost "finished", just that the armoured zones are smaller. RN & MN BBs already have their final armour. Only IJN are going to change a lot, but that's due to 9 & 10 being drastically different from anything that comes before. And Amagi is one of the most HE resistant ships in the game. Still, it is much easier to heavily AP hit a NC than a Montana, Bismarck than Kurfurst, Amagi than Izumo (especially from range). And you don't need 460mm guns for that. Quote Easier to set on fire - yes. But once that fire is there you can't set another one on the same spot. It is quite rare to parade with 3-4 fires anyway, the problem usually arises when you get a fire after you repaired previous ones... Quote And this creates the situation where they burn very similarly. Even more so - fire is % max HP, so it hurts both identically Yes, T10 gives more "dmg output" for a spammer, but there are many buts: harder to ignite, bouncing HE shells, ... greater threat of returning (more accurate) fire Quote Much less accurate? No, not really. Of course. All T10 are more accurate than T8-9 from same line. Not only US ones which have the module, but even with the same nominal dispersion you have more shells flying, so higher probability for a hit. Quote Much weaker? No, not really. Any, including USN, BB that is going solo is a free target for a t10 CV, regardless of tier. For a good/very good CV player, yes. But typical T10 CV potato which I met recently had 30-40% win rate, 50-80k dmg, and attacked with one squad at a time... Quote As I already said - tier 8 BBs perfectly fine for dealing with 10s. In fact, unless the game is Yamato / Musashi heavy, those 8s are better off in their +2 MM than a t7 BB in a +1 MM game. Yeah sure ;) Sorry, I'm not convinced. And I recently played Republique quite a lot, for example - T8 BB are food for her Quote DDs - 5s are fine when uptiered, 6s and 7s suffer vs 8s and 9s bcuz of the concealment module Still DD manage quite well, and many +/-2 advocates here on the forum are specialized in them Quote BBs - 5s (19mm bow = 272mm gun = every BB they meet) get shafted by overmatch. 6s and 7s (25mm bow = 358mm gun = almost every BB they meet) get shafted by overmatch. 8s, unless the game is, as already said, Yamato / Musashi heavy are as strong armour wise as 10s are. They don't have this problem. Overmatch is one thing. Range, fire power, general armor values, speed, HP pool, fire chance. BB suffers quite heavily when being 2 tier lower minority Quote CA/Ls are shafted regardless of MM tier (including top tier games) Cruisers have problems even with their own tier - but being -2 also means they are food for ... other cruisers. So typically it is impossible for them to do their tasks at all. Quote CVs are shafted by their UI ;) I'm not CV player, but I see that typical T6-T8 CV suffers greatly when facing AA 2 tiers higher. Quote Normally you'd have loads more than just 1..2. bottom / mid tier ships. Really? My last 16 Zao games: In 5 of 16 games you have 1-2 T8 vs swarm of T10. On average we had 3x more T10 ships than T8 in a game. Foooood! Quote Don't play during the night and your MM will be fine. Play during the night and expect to see the stupidest things happen as the MM is trying to get any game going. What kind of advice is it? I play when I have a time. There is absolutely zero justification to "assemble" games like above (and most of above table was played at full weekend in broad daylight...). If there is overabundance of top tier (or any...) ships, the MM should just make 12 vs 12 of them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Floofz ∞ Players 1,246 posts 7,392 battles Report post #17 Posted July 28, 2018 This isnt such a big issue in this game as it is in WoT. Also remember that you get much more xp from shooting tier 10s with a tier 8 ships than vice versa. HOWEVER, certain ships, especially ships focused on secondaries can become very frustrating and down right boring to play when youre constantly in tier 10 games, Massachusetts, Tirptiz, Bismarck. You cant really lead the charge like you would if you were top tier, so their speciality becomes rather meaningless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] Fat_Maniac [HOO] Players 2,337 posts 4,238 battles Report post #18 Posted July 28, 2018 16 hours ago, Skyllon said: Games like that are very rare and even in them, you can still make a difference and be useful. Suicide is not an answer. Imagine you are top tier and your only destroyer on the team decides to suicide, because he doesn't like the matchmaker... Not that rare. has happened me several times in my stock hull Hipper that I've just started grinding. Suicide is definitely not the answer, just be more cautious play defensively and with support. Being bottom tier is actually a huge opportunity @Crusherheads to earn more XP by killing higher tier enemies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #19 Posted July 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, EdiJo said: Still, it is much easier to heavily AP hit a NC than a Montana, Bismarck than Kurfurst, Amagi than Izumo (especially from range). And you don't need 460mm guns for that. Quote No. That's isn't true at all. NC armor scheme, for example, is the same as Montana. Only difference is that Montana is a far bigger ship. Survivability wise, only downside of NC in a tier 10 matchmaking is the HP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EON] plisicK Players 4 posts 6,860 battles Report post #20 Posted July 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Boris_MNE said: Dont listen @Commander_Cornflakes he is forum troll. Listen to me, blame teammates and problem solved. thats what ive been doing for over 2 years now. I am far above their skill but they keep dragging me down down down else i would have at least 80% avg win rate. but if we get in same team than il end up blameing you, and dragging you down, (JK) 4 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said: Why should I put any work into answering you and yet you did, ewen tho i didnt require it 5 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said: You get a nice XP and credit boost for being lowtier that would make sense, but i honestly didnt know nor notice that at all, can someone pls confirm 5 hours ago, Strappster said: It's a challenge and I relish the chance to see how well I can perform when the chips are down mby to go against one t10 would be chalange, but than there are 2 more behind him... that reminds me, earlier i found myself in pure 1v1 situation me with bismarck vs france t10 BBS (republique?) both full hp, i went front inn cuse from side im dead in 3 shots, but he gave me full clear side, and entire time (mby 2-3min) i had shots on his side, i ended up doing arround 15k dmg (i believe i do know where to shoot) till i was dead. i dont think he was noob to give me side, he just knew i couldnt do crap, and i didnt ewen managed to get close for ramm atempt... i just played several matches and for the first time i got 4 matches in row not t10, i almost got worried (lol), and 5. match wasnt full 10's it was abt half, so that was satisfiying. i mostly did below awerage, but im not complaining at all, i know when and how i fkt up, at leest i had chance to do something if i played beter, but with 450 ish battles im noob understandable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] Strapps [TOXIC] Players 1,135 posts 5,968 battles Report post #21 Posted July 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, plisicK said: mby to go against one t10 would be chalange, but than there are 2 more behind him... Don't you think I'd have a couple of tier 10s behind me in that situation too? I'm not claiming that I'd be the match-winner or even that I'd do much more than sailing forward and giving the enemy a gift of some free xp and credits - I said I relish the challenge, not that I'd dominate. The challenge comes from getting a decent result despite being bottom tier. For the sake of an example, if I'm playing as top tier DD I might push caps and harass BBs. If I'm a bottom tier DD, I'd relegate myself to a second-line role because I'm going to be out-spotted and hit by radar if I tried playing the same way. Too many players have a "DD go here, BB go there" attitude to the game and the required tactics have a lot more depth than such simple reductions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,192 posts Report post #22 Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, plisicK said: that would make sense, but i honestly didnt know nor notice that at all, can someone pls confirm If you damage higher tier ships then you most definitely get more XP and credit rewards than if you did the same damage to a ship of the same tier. 1 hour ago, plisicK said: mby to go against one t10 would be chalange, but than there are 2 more behind him... that reminds me, earlier i found myself in pure 1v1 situation me with bismarck vs france t10 BBS (republique?) both full hp, i went front inn cuse from side im dead in 3 shots, but he gave me full clear side, and entire time (mby 2-3min) i had shots on his side, i ended up doing arround 15k dmg (i believe i do know where to shoot) till i was dead. i dont think he was noob to give me side, he just knew i couldnt do crap, and i didnt ewen managed to get close for ramm atempt... That depends on range to an extent, Bismarck is saddled with poor dispersion at much past 12km, Republique is not, plus his secondaries would be hitting you harder than yours would hit him if you were in secondary range, additionally T8 secondaries struggle to set fires on T10 ships, there's a built in reduction of fire chance shooting at higher tier ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[U-F-G] The_AnnOying_FrOggy Players 4 posts 24,729 battles Report post #23 Posted September 19, 2018 What about this 10 min game , 4 ranked players against 1 0 kills against 8 1 player whit 33% winrate 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TRRC] Wilkinson87 [TRRC] Players 250 posts 6,722 battles Report post #24 Posted September 19, 2018 I tried to grind my charles martel, but gived up....when you 3rd time alone in TX games with a stock cruiser, I realised no chance....used all my free exp camos, flags with TX ships and bought doublons again.....-.-1 ship left to grind and is the yueyang...at least a dd can handle well the plus 2 tier difference...This new match making is I think all about to people spend more on the game by free exp tx ships from T8. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Commander_Cornflakes WG Staff, WoWs Wiki Team 3,711 posts 15,747 battles Report post #25 Posted September 19, 2018 Vor 3 Stunden, Curd_GSA sagte: What about this 10 min game , 4 ranked players against 1 0 kills against 8 1 player whit 33% winrate So what? I have seen enough matches where the team with less Rank 1 players won. This doesn't say anything. Here for example we won with 2 vs 5 Rank 1 players: Vor 26 Minuten, Wilkinson87 sagte: This new match making It's not new, has been the same since months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
