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Come ON!

 

This is just a example... seriously................ 1 tiers 8 per side in this match, Wthell...........

 

How stupid this can be? I mean this just desmotivates a person to the GROUND, what is so fun playing a match like this....

 

Also i tend go suicide mode at this kind of matches.

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Games like that are very rare and even in them, you can still make a difference and be useful. Suicide is not an answer.

Imagine you are top tier and your only destroyer on the team decides to suicide, because he doesn't like the matchmaker...

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Crusherheads said:
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Come ON!

 

This is just a example... seriously................ 1 tiers 8 per side in this match, Wthell...........

 

How stupid this can be? I mean this just desmotivates a person to the GROUND, what is so fun playing a match like this....

 

Also i tend go suicide mode at this kind of matches.

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*khm* posted at about 1 AM to 3 AM throughout the Europe, depending on which time zone you are in *khm*

 

You are playing during the night when the servers are rather unpopulated, what did you expect? :fish_sleep:

 

And t8 BBs (with the exception of Monarch) are more than capable of fighting tier 10 ships :cap_tea:

 


 

30 minutes ago, Crusherheads said:

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What you have written there is "suck is". I'm sure you meant "sucks" without the apostrophe. I find it rather hilarious that the only "bad English" part of your whole post is your signature containing the "my English may be bad" message  :Smile_trollface:

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You can do a lot for Your team so no need to suicide, that only benefits the enemy and you let Your team Down …. make the best of it every game 

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5 minutes ago, Ulvesnutepostei said:

You can do a lot for Your team so no need to suicide, that only benefits the enemy and you let Your team Down …

If you ram a tier X BB it's a good deal :Smile_coin:

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Vor 1 Stunde, Crusherheads sagte:

Come ON!

 

This is just a example... seriously................ 1 tiers 8 per side in this match, Wthell...........

 

How stupid this can be? I mean this just desmotivates a person to the GROUND, what is so fun playing a match like this....

 

Also i tend go suicide mode at this kind of matches.

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This is the World Of Warships Forum, not the Let Every Noob Make His Own Matchmaking Whine Thread Forum.

The only problem here is you going suicide.

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2 hours ago, wilkatis_LV said:

*khm* posted at about 1 AM to 3 AM throughout the Europe, depending on which time zone you are in *khm*

 

You are playing during the night when the servers are rather unpopulated, what did you expect? :fish_sleep:

Server population does not justify such a MM, we could easily wait a bit longer to have fair game. 

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And t8 BBs (with the exception of Monarch) are more than capable of fighting tier 10 ships :cap_tea:

It depends what do you mean by "fighting". Vs HE spam they are extremely vulnerable (lower hp/armor stats + artificial fire chance increase), and they are much less accurate and weaker. Apart from the US ones they are food for T10 CV, without much resistance. 

 

Anyway, the problem of +/-2 tier MM is not limited to Tier 8 battleships. Plenty of ships from tiers 5-8 suck when uptiered, and having only 1-2 lowest tier ships in a team is not rare at all. 

 

I recently took my Texas for a single ride, and was glad seeing carriers in queue - but what I got was... almost purely T7 game with T7 carrier. In an unturnable weakly-armored BB with 16km range, 34+ second reload on weak guns and 20.5 kn speed (fully upgraded premium with 19-point survival specialist!) it was the opposite of fun. The only T5 in teams were BB (me) and a DD.  "We" won, the poor enemy NewYork of course finished last on the scoreboard. 

 

2 hours ago, Skyllon said:

Games like that are very rare

having only 1-2 lowest tier ships in a team is not rare at all. 

 

1 hour ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

This is the World Of Warships Forum, not the Let Every Noob Make His Own Matchmaking Whine Thread Forum.

 

Well, this simply means that the "World of Warships" problem persists. Ignoring it by "Unicums that vote it is OK, because it doesn't affect them" doesn't change the fact :fish_glass:

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full yolo, die, blame wg and mm. thats what i would do too.

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50 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said:

full yolo, die, blame wg and mm. thats what i would do too.

Don't forget to blame your team as well for camping, not radaring the enemy DD and lack of spotting by your CV.

 

@OP: suicide is not the option. You'll never learn anything from those games and that'll keep you clueless on how to play in such a game as bottom tier. Which in turn will make you more annoyed and angry the next time it happens. Plus, you're letting your team down because of your feeling, pretty selfish move no?

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39 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

Don't forget to blame your team as well for camping, not radaring the enemy DD and lack of spotting by your CV.

 

@OP: suicide is not the option. You'll never learn anything from those games and that'll keep you clueless on how to play in such a game as bottom tier. Which in turn will make you more annoyed and angry the next time it happens. Plus, you're letting your team down because of your feeling, pretty selfish move no?

 

 

I am the cv, I wont blame myself. Where you got that brilliant idea :D

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11 hours ago, Skyllon said:

Games like that are very rare and even in them, you can still make a difference and be useful. Suicide is not an answer.

Imagine you are top tier and your only destroyer on the team decides to suicide, because he doesn't like the matchmaker...

 

 

no it is not rear after the new grind for the Tir 10 ships. I have bin top tir once the past week with a tir 8 ship, rest of the time is was like OPs Pic.

 

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12 hours ago, Crusherheads said:

Come ON!

 

This is just a example... seriously................ 1 tiers 8 per side in this match, Wthell...........

 

How stupid this can be? I mean this just desmotivates a person to the GROUND, what is so fun playing a match like this....

 

Also i tend go suicide mode at this kind of matches.

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im new player (450 battles) just unlocked tier 8 and imidietly started having huge issues that until then i didnt have at all. i played abt 50 battles so far andabt 90% if not more look exactly like this ss, im still half stock, and ewen if i were full this would still be extreamly wrong and unfair. i get like 6 tier10 matches and than like 1 tier9 or 8, and than again 7 tier10.... and to top it all off when i say tier10 match i dont mean "oh there's 2-3 ter10 ships, oh no, there is like 10 of them and 1-2 tier 8, mby 1 tier9........ what kind of fairness is that? when i asked in chat wtf is wrong with mm? answer i get by tier10's is "it works just fine for me", when i wrote ticket, answer i got was generalized, and completly unrelated to my issue, only thing that gm achieved is to close my ticket. 

pls spare me from saying that i probably play in weird (late) hours, cuse its not the case, and telling me that i can still winn matches, cuse im not complaining abt wining or loosing matches.

i dont expect that this crap will get anny beter soon (if ewer), and i certanly do not intend to be annyone's practice target... i'm gonna play bit more, but result that i see is me soon not playing this game any more, "like came like go". this just one of several issues i found with this game, and while i could mby put up with other issues, i will not tolerate this one at all. good luck geting new players, and more players, with such incompetent divelopers... i guess some games have barely 50K players and some other have 5M and far more. bdw good luck is just saying, i honestly dont whish WG anny sucess.

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Vor 16 Minuten, plisicK sagte:

im new player (450 battles) just unlocked tier 8 and imidietly started having huge issues that until then i didnt have at all. i played abt 50 battles so far andabt 90% if not more look exactly like this ss, im still half stock, and ewen if i were full this would still be extreamly wrong and unfair. i get like 6 tier10 matches and than like 1 tier9 or 8, and than again 7 tier10.... and to top it all off when i say tier10 match i dont mean "oh there's 2-3 ter10 ships, oh no, there is like 10 of them and 1-2 tier 8, mby 1 tier9........ what kind of fairness is that? when i asked in chat wtf is wrong with mm? answer i get by tier10's is "it works just fine for me", when i wrote ticket, answer i got was generalized, and completly unrelated to my issue, only thing that gm achieved is to close my ticket. 

pls spare me from saying that i probably play in weird (late) hours, cuse its not the case, and telling me that i can still winn matches, cuse im not complaining abt wining or loosing matches.

i dont expect that this crap will get anny beter soon (if ewer), and i certanly do not intend to be annyone's practice target... i'm gonna play bit more, but result that i see is me soon not playing this game any more, "like came like go". this just one of several issues i found with this game, and while i could mby put up with other issues, i will not tolerate this one at all. good luck geting new players, and more players, with such incompetent divelopers... i guess some games have barely 50K players and some other have 5M and far more. bdw good luck is just saying, i honestly dont whish WG anny sucess.

Yeah man, it's totally the T8 matchmaking at fault. That's also why your T8 stats are way better than your  T7 stats, right? Oh, wait, that doesn't make any sense.

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7 hours ago, Boris_MNE said:

 

 

I am the cv, I wont blame myself. Where you got that brilliant idea :D

You can always play at low tiers with two CVs. In that case: blame the other guy :cap_cool:

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18 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Yeah man, it's totally the T8 matchmaking at fault. That's also why your T8 stats are way better than your  T7 stats, right? Oh, wait, that doesn't make any sense.

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i dont see what do t7 stats have to do with t8, nor what are you trying to say. fact that my t8 stats are bit better  than t7 (judgeing on 50 matches in t8) ewen if those stats were realted, cant proowe or show annything, my t7 stats might have been the same at 50 battles, and that my t8 stats might get worse by the time i play as much battles as i did in t7 (if i do that is). bdw what stats are you refering to, winn %? i didnt complane abt wining or looseing matches, i guess was lucky to get beter teams so far, but sadly i didnt do much to contribute to most of those winns, cause i couldnt do much, cause t8 cant compeate with t10, and if such matches were rare, and if there was few t10's, i could tolerate it, but i have to constantly play against full tier10's, which is not funn at all, and thats what im complaneing abt.

in your comment i dont see any meaningfull, constructive, or correct statements, i only see desperate atempt to say annything against my post, i supose you didnt say annything better cuse there is nothing you can say to argue me? or you just arent smart enough to think of annything better. unless you have something concrete to say im not gona bother wasting my time to reply anny more.

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14 hours ago, Crusherheads said:

How stupid this can be? I mean this just desmotivates a person to the GROUND, what is so fun playing a match like this....

Am I strange for enjoying being in that sort of situation? :Smile_hiding:

 

It's a challenge and I relish the chance to see how well I can perform when the chips are down and not simply playing a ship by rote. Sure, I'm not such a fan when I get a run of such battles but if I think that's happening I'll change ships to break the cycle.

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Vor 3 Minuten, plisicK sagte:

i dont see what do t7 stats have to do with t8, nor what are you trying to say. fact that my t8 stats are bit better  than t7 (judgeing on 50 matches in t8) ewen if those stats were realted, cant proowe or show annything, my t7 stats might have been the same at 50 battles, and that my t8 stats might get worse by the time i play as much battles as i did in t7 (if i do that is). bdw what stats are you refering to, winn %? i didnt complane abt wining or looseing matches, i guess was lucky to get beter teams so far, but sadly i didnt do much to contribute to most of those winns, cause i couldnt do much, cause t8 cant compeate with t10, and if such matches were rare, and if there was few t10's, i could tolerate it, but i have to constantly play against full tier10's, which is not funn at all, and thats what im complaneing abt.

in your comment i dont see any meaningfull, constructive, or correct statements, i only see desperate atempt to say annything against my post, i supose you didnt say annything better cuse there is nothing you can say to argue me? or you just arent smart enough to think of annything better. unless you have something concrete to say im not gona bother wasting my time to reply anny more.

Why should I put any work into answering you, when you are just one of hundred players that cry about the matchmaking instead of getting better themselves?

 

Would you even listen to me when I say that being lowtier actually is a big advantage?

The enemies underestimate you. You get a nice XP and credit boost for being lowtier and the difference in ship strength isn't even that big.

The only problem is you being not good enough, not the ship or the matchmaker.

 

I have more than 20 times your games. You can believe me when I say that I have been lowtier far more often than you. And do you see my complaining?

 

The only ship class that has any right to complain about being lowtier are CVs, because the increase in AA is really high.

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34 minutes ago, plisicK said:

i dont see what do t7 stats have to do with t8, nor what are you trying to say. fact that my t8 stats are bit better  than t7 (judgeing on 50 matches in t8) ewen if those stats were realted, cant proowe or show annything, my t7 stats might have been the same at 50 battles, and that my t8 stats might get worse by the time i play as much battles as i did in t7 (if i do that is). bdw what stats are you refering to, winn %? i didnt complane abt wining or looseing matches, i guess was lucky to get beter teams so far, but sadly i didnt do much to contribute to most of those winns, cause i couldnt do much, cause t8 cant compeate with t10, and if such matches were rare, and if there was few t10's, i could tolerate it, but i have to constantly play against full tier10's, which is not funn at all, and thats what im complaneing abt.

in your comment i dont see any meaningfull, constructive, or correct statements, i only see desperate atempt to say annything against my post, i supose you didnt say annything better cuse there is nothing you can say to argue me? or you just arent smart enough to think of annything better. unless you have something concrete to say im not gona bother wasting my time to reply anny more.

 

 

Dont listen  @Commander_Cornflakes he is forum troll. Listen to me, blame teammates and problem solved. thats what ive been doing for over 2 years now. I am far above their skill but they keep dragging me down down down else i would have at least 80% avg win rate.

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30 minutes ago, plisicK said:

but sadly i didnt do much to contribute to most of those winns, cause i couldnt do much, cause t8 cant compeate with t10,

 

And how do you contribute when you are playing T7 which is more often toptier than not? You didnt... Since your WR isnt good, and neither do you deal more damage than on T8.

 

We just played one match 3x T8 division (benson, mogami, Bismarck), enemy had 3x T10 division to balance division. Seems unfair? well kinda, and still we did win. You just have to learn how to deal with it. If the DD is in an unfavorable position (Enemies had Hydro DD + Gearing) its better to spot first, and get the cap later. When the DD dies however, its much faster going downhill from there, since the enemy DDs can roam more freely.

Mogami is a floating Citadel, still he can harass BBs with Fire.

And I? I played Bismarck, and did manage to tank the enemy GK for a while too. He did less damage to me than i did to him (only problem was, he fucked up 2 of my turrets in one salvo). Also you can citadel T10 Cruisers as good as with other BBs, ask Moskva, Zao and Baltimore :Smile_teethhappy:

When you are lowtier, you are not the one making the move (normaly). Your firepower is still valuable, and so is your spotting when you are a DD. Playing like its lost from the beginning will ofc make you lose more.

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3 hours ago, Mangrey said:

no it is not rear after the new grind for the Tir 10 ships. I have bin top tir once the past week with a tir 8 ship, rest of the time is was like OPs Pic.

 

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You were often the only T8 in T10 battle? Really?

T8 is bottom tier most of the time - that is true - but rarely you are outtiered by 2 being the only of the lowest tier ships in the battle.

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12 hours ago, EdiJo said:

It depends what do you mean by "fighting". Vs HE spam they are extremely vulnerable (lower hp/armor stats + artificial fire chance increase), and they are much less accurate and weaker. Apart from the US ones they are food for T10 CV, without much resistance.

Lower HP - yes.

Lower armour - no. US BBs are nearly in their final form. KM BBs have their armour almost "finished", just that the armoured zones are smaller. RN & MN BBs already have their final armour. Only IJN are going to change a lot, but that's due to 9 & 10 being drastically different from anything that comes before. And Amagi is one of the most HE resistant ships in the game.

Easier to set on fire - yes. But once that fire is there you can't set another one on the same spot. And this creates the situation where they burn very similarly. Even more so - fire is % max HP, so it hurts both identically

 

Much less accurate? No, not really. Much weaker? No, not really. Any, including USN, BB that is going solo is a free target for a t10 CV, regardless of tier.

 

As I already said - tier 8 BBs perfectly fine for dealing with 10s. In fact, unless the game is Yamato / Musashi heavy, those 8s are better off in their +2 MM than a t7 BB in a +1 MM game.

 

12 hours ago, EdiJo said:

Anyway, the problem of +/-2 tier MM is not limited to Tier 8 battleships. Plenty of ships from tiers 5-8 suck when uptiered, and having only 1-2 lowest tier ships in a team is not rare at all. 

DDs - 5s are fine when uptiered, 6s and 7s suffer vs 8s and 9s bcuz of the concealment module

BBs - 5s (19mm bow = 272mm gun = every BB they meet) get shafted by overmatch. 6s and 7s (25mm bow = 358mm gun = almost every BB they meet) get shafted by overmatch.

8s, unless the game is, as already said, Yamato / Musashi heavy are as strong armour wise as 10s are. They don't have this problem.

 

CA/Ls are shafted regardless of MM tier (including top tier games)

CVs are shafted by their UI

 

 

Normally you'd have loads more than just 1..2. bottom / mid tier ships. Don't play during the night and your MM will be fine. Play during the night and expect to see the stupidest things happen as the MM is trying to get any game going.

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1 hour ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Lower HP - yes.

 

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Lower armour - no. US BBs are nearly in their final form. KM BBs have their armour almost "finished", just that the armoured zones are smaller. RN & MN BBs already have their final armour. Only IJN are going to change a lot, but that's due to 9 & 10 being drastically different from anything that comes before. And Amagi is one of the most HE resistant ships in the game.

Still, it is much easier to heavily AP hit a NC than a Montana, Bismarck than Kurfurst, Amagi than Izumo (especially from range). And you don't need 460mm guns for that. 

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Easier to set on fire - yes. But once that fire is there you can't set another one on the same spot.

It is quite rare to parade with 3-4 fires anyway, the problem usually arises when you get a fire after you repaired previous ones... 

 

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And this creates the situation where they burn very similarly. Even more so - fire is % max HP, so it hurts both identically

Yes, T10 gives more "dmg output" for a spammer, but there are many buts: harder to ignite, bouncing HE shells, ... greater threat of returning (more accurate) fire

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Much less accurate? No, not really.

Of course. All T10 are more accurate than T8-9 from same line. Not only US ones which have the module, but even with the same nominal dispersion you have more shells flying, so higher probability for a hit. 

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Much weaker? No, not really. Any, including USN, BB that is going solo is a free target for a t10 CV, regardless of tier.

For a good/very good CV player, yes. But typical T10 CV potato which I met recently had 30-40% win rate, 50-80k dmg, and attacked with one squad at a time...

 

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As I already said - tier 8 BBs perfectly fine for dealing with 10s. In fact, unless the game is Yamato / Musashi heavy, those 8s are better off in their +2 MM than a t7 BB in a +1 MM game.

Yeah sure ;)  Sorry, I'm not convinced. And I recently played Republique quite a lot, for example - T8 BB are food for her :cap_cool:

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DDs - 5s are fine when uptiered, 6s and 7s suffer vs 8s and 9s bcuz of the concealment module

Still DD manage quite well, and many +/-2 advocates here on the forum are specialized in them :cap_popcorn:

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BBs - 5s (19mm bow = 272mm gun = every BB they meet) get shafted by overmatch. 6s and 7s (25mm bow = 358mm gun = almost every BB they meet) get shafted by overmatch.

8s, unless the game is, as already said, Yamato / Musashi heavy are as strong armour wise as 10s are. They don't have this problem.

Overmatch is one thing. Range, fire power, general armor values, speed, HP pool, fire chance. BB suffers quite heavily when being 2 tier lower minority

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CA/Ls are shafted regardless of MM tier (including top tier games)

Cruisers have problems even with their own tier - but being -2 also means they are food for ... other cruisers. So typically it is impossible for them to do their tasks at all.

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CVs are shafted by their UI

;)  I'm not CV player, but I see that typical T6-T8 CV suffers greatly when facing AA 2 tiers higher. 

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Normally you'd have loads more than just 1..2. bottom / mid tier ships.

Really? My last 16 Zao games:

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In 5 of 16 games you have 1-2 T8 vs swarm of T10. On average we had 3x more T10 ships than T8 in a game. Foooood! :cap_look:

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Don't play during the night and your MM will be fine. Play during the night and expect to see the stupidest things happen as the MM is trying to get any game going.

What kind of advice is it? I play when I have a time. There is absolutely zero justification to "assemble" games like above (and most of above table was played at full weekend in broad daylight...). If there is overabundance of top tier (or any...) ships, the MM should just make 12 vs 12 of them!

 

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This isnt such a big issue in this game as it is in WoT. Also remember that you get much more xp from shooting tier 10s with a tier 8 ships than vice versa.

HOWEVER, certain ships, especially ships focused on secondaries can become very frustrating and down right boring to play when youre constantly in tier 10 games, Massachusetts, Tirptiz, Bismarck. You cant really lead the charge like you would if you were top tier, so their speciality becomes rather meaningless.

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16 hours ago, Skyllon said:

Games like that are very rare and even in them, you can still make a difference and be useful. Suicide is not an answer.

Imagine you are top tier and your only destroyer on the team decides to suicide, because he doesn't like the matchmaker...

 

 

Not that rare. has happened me several times in my stock hull Hipper that I've just started grinding.

 

Suicide is definitely not the answer, just be more cautious play defensively and with support. Being bottom tier is actually a huge opportunity @Crusherheads  to earn more XP by killing higher tier enemies

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