American/Japanese Tier 7 DD differences

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Aren't the American torps highly inferior compared to Japanese? So while it might seem unfair on a destroyer vs destroyer basis things balances out when you consider the fact that most people sail bigger slower ships. 

[Takeda92]

Yeah but this thread is about tier 7. Onthat tier IJN torps are superior only in damage and range. US get more torps, faster and slightly better reload.

[Orlunu]

Aren't the American torps highly inferior compared to Japanese? So while it might seem unfair on a destroyer vs destroyer basis things balances out when you consider the fact that most people sail bigger slower ships. 

 

No.  The US have universally better DPM.  The Japanese have an alpha and range advantage.  Speed is kinda in the balance, with a tiny favour to the Japanese.  The range isn't really that much of a difference since a good BB player can move out of the way of a perfect torp spread fired at about 8km now that we have the super-special-hand-holding spotting range.  So, it comes down to a mild alpha advantage vs a strong DPM advantage.

 

Which one's better than the other is very much situational at best.

[Duncandonut]

Yes IJL torps are superior to US Torps. However when it comes to a battle a US Destroyer outguns an IJL Destroyer everytime. US guns turn twice as fast and fire 3x times faster than there IJL counterpart. Also it is so easy to dodge Torps in a DD and with the 1:30 reload time an IJL DD is basically a sitting duck for an US DD. 

 

Have just added all modules to my T7 IJL DD and it gets even worse. Like T6 we lose a gun turret and get almost nothing. The only real difference is the addition of +12 AA guns. This to me is not an upgrade, I am downgrading my DD.

[3Form]

Well at tier 7 Mahan I'm at the point of shooting stuff with my guns because there's very little opportunity to use torpedoes anyway, regardless of the crumby range.

 

Maybe that's why I envy IJN destroyers with longer range torpedoes.

 

But either way I find myself agreeing with Fominator's posts on this forum.

[Broevaharo]

Well to be honest, the Crapsuharu is the worst DD in the game I think, I can pretty much work with every DD in the game but tier 7 IJN is almost unplayable.

[Orlunu]

Well, my Hatsuharu just bumbled into a Nicholas and a half-health Atlanta and 1v1'd them in a gun duel.  None of us walked out alive.  For the least gun-dependant surface ship type in game, she can still brawl passably.

 

On a related note, I need to learn how to enable replay recording.

[Fominator]

I'm just saying that balancing the game around such players isn't good balance.

 

I can't agree more. Sadly the latest changes seems to cater to them.

 

And you don't need to lecture me on CAT.  I was in there long enough to know that.

 

Maybe I worded it badly but  that wasn't aimed at you, it was for the CBT players, as a general explanation.

[Orlunu]

I can't agree more. Sadly the latest changes seems to cater to them.

 

 

Maybe I worded it badly but  that wasn't aimed at you, it was for the CBT players, as a general explanation.

 

Yeah, it is a real shame, but hopefully it'll be reversed when they start to think about end-game, which is where the real money is to be earned for them anyway.

 

Sorry that I kicked off on you a bit, too.

[Duncandonut]

Well to be honest, the Crapsuharu is the worst DD in the game I think, I can pretty much work with every DD in the game but tier 7 IJN is almost unplayable.

 

Sadly I regret buying it now. Any idea how bad the T8 IJN DD is ? Is it worth pursuing or should I try something else ?

[Takeda92]

 

Sadly I regret buying it now. Any idea how bad the T8 IJN DD is ? Is it worth pursuing or should I try something else ?

It's not UNPLAYABLE, just struggles with having no clear advantage on the battlefield from the rest of the DDs in your tier spread, even the lower ones.

 

Fubuki has nice torpedoes, and you should play the ship and test the ships rather than not playing because otherwise how can they balance the ship if no one plays it?

[Orlunu]

Sadly I regret buying it now. Any idea how bad the T8 IJN DD is ? Is it worth pursuing or should I try something else ?

 

Well, like the Hatsuharu, it's better than it seems because everyone misuses it.  On the other hand:

 

If you are using them like most people do...  Yeah, pick another line.  It still gets worse.  A whole lot worse.

[Takeda92]

 

Well, like the Hatsuharu, it's better than it seems because everyone misuses it.  On the other hand:

 

If you are using them like most people do...  Yeah, pick another line.  It still gets worse.  A whole lot worse.

Which line is which? (please don't say red is IJN DDs)

[Duncandonut]

It's not UNPLAYABLE, just struggles with having no clear advantage on the battlefield from the rest of the DDs in your tier spread, even the lower ones.

 

Fubuki has nice torpedoes, and you should play the ship and test the ships rather than not playing because otherwise how can they balance the ship if no one plays it?

 

I didn't say I am going to stop using it. I just don't like it and feel it is a misplaced Tier DD. The whole purpose of Beta Testing is to find these issues. I will still continue to play the DD. 

 

On another note, had my first game in a CV today and must say I quite enjoyed it. Not enough to take me away from DD's though.

[Fominator]

Which line is which? (please don't say red is IJN DDs)

 

Which line starts at tier 2 and is useless after tier 5?

 

Anyways, I don't know why Fubuki have worse WR than Badtsuharu or Kagero AKA "Bad Fubuki".

[Orlunu]

Which line is which? (please don't say red is IJN DDs)

 

Oh, it is.  It is indeed.  AM is American, the other prefix is Japanese (Yap).  Backwards-E M is destroyer, KP is cruiser, AB is carrier, and the Lambda K is battleship.