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For crying out loud.

 

can you(WG) please stop carriers div. - to be able, to play against none carriers div.   ------  it is almost cheating.!!!!

 

thank you.

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Soooo..... CV players shouldnt be able to div AT ALL or wait in queue for 20 hours to wait for another carrier-div to come online?

Too bad for you but it aint gonna happen.

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7 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Soooo..... CV players shouldnt be able to div AT ALL or wait in queue for 20 hours to wait for another carrier-div to come online?

Too bad for you but it aint gonna happen.

 

He’s right thou, a CV paired with two AA cruisers is a huge advantage over the enemy .. Pair my Kaga with Flint/Atlanta and you end up with 95% wins

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lets make 3 people have a fun time!..... cheers. ! good logic, lets then make 12 people having some real crap time, cause we "need" cv div. to have the right to abuse MM!.  nice logic.!

9 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Soooo..... CV players shouldnt be able to div AT ALL or wait in queue for 20 hours to wait for another carrier-div to come online?

Too bad for you but it aint gonna happen.

 

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Why would WG change something when CVs will get changed (rumors say even this year, even tho I'm not to sure about that)... and btw., there is a nice saying I once heard: "If u can't fight them, join them." :Smile_hiding:

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12 minutes ago, plammbeach said:

lets make 3 people have a fun time!..... cheers. ! good logic, lets then make 12 people having some real crap time, cause we "need" cv div. to have the right to abuse MM!.  nice logic.!

 

In that logic lets ban all 45% and below winrate CV players because they make 11 people on their team have "a real crap time".

And while we are at it: lets ban all 70%+ winrate CV players because they make 12 enemies have "a real crap time".

Just deal with it man. Sure some games are almost lost from the start due to a so called "cancer division". We all have to deal with that from time to time.

Yesterday I played a game in my Leningrad against an enemy division (Belfast, Belfast, Saipan). Was a defeat obviously, but I didnt cry about it. Just try and do the best you can and try to get your team to work together and that is all you can do.

There is just no chance you run into the same carrier division game after game, unless you play TX CV at 5am.

Sorry to be that guy but this wining about carrier divisions just makes you look like a potato.

 

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I have never seen when one side had a CV and the other didn't (I'm only T6 maybe that's it). 

 

Besides, if they div up with AA-specced cruisers, well, they aren't any good at all in a regular match.

When the other side has no CV, their use is pretty limited IMO. 

 

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9 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

I have never seen when one side had a CV and the other didn't (I'm only T6 maybe that's it). 

 

Besides, if they div up with AA-specced cruisers, well, they aren't any good at all in a regular match.

When the other side has no CV, their use is pretty limited IMO. 

 

He means a solo CV vs a CV with a division (most likely AA ships), which is pretty hard to defeat, but doable if the division CV is bad, the one without div is way better or the whole team of the division CV is way under average (speaking of experience right there). And u will always have a CV on both sides (till T7 sometimes even two), otherwise that would be really unbalanced.

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31 minutes ago, Corvi said:

Pair my Kaga with Flint/Atlanta and you end up with 95% wins

Pair a 40% WR Kaga with 2x 40% WR Flints / Atlantas and you end up with 5% WR

 

Division of 3 skilled players have a high likelihood of dictating the game, no matter what ships they are in, in the exact same way as 3 potatoes have a high likelihood of throwing that same game

 

12 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

I have never seen when one side had a CV and the other didn't (I'm only T6 maybe that's it). 

 

Besides, if they div up with AA-specced cruisers, well, they aren't any good at all in a regular match.

When the other side has no CV, their use is pretty limited IMO.

What are you even...? Games where one team has a CV and the other one doesn't are impossible, they are hard-mirrored

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1 minute ago, GER_Sushi_Lover said:

He means a solo CV vs a CV with a division (most likely AA ships), which is pretty hard to defeat, but doable if the division CV is bad, the one without div is way better or the whole team of the division CV is way under average (speaking of experience right there). And u will always have a CV on both sides (till T7 sometimes even two), otherwise that would be really unbalanced.

I misunderstood then. 

 

Well I have seen that, indeed they do have a certain strategy there. 

But then again, you must deal with it, I usually try to get our (solo) Cv to spot the other Cv and then I go after him (if I'm in a CL).

When I meet the AA-CLs they are toast pretty soon.

 

 

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1 minute ago, wilkatis_LV said:

What are you even...? Games where one team has a CV and the other one doesn't are impossible, they are hard-mirrored

Also thought it was noty possible, but hey, I have seen lots of T7, some T8. No T9 or T10 so what do I know.

I've seen 'miracles' like 2CVs + 5DDs, or games without a BB, so you never know. 

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44 minutes ago, Corvi said:

 

He’s right thou, a CV paired with two AA cruisers is a huge advantage over the enemy .. Pair my Kaga with Flint/Atlanta and you end up with 95% wins

Yeah he is right it is a huge advantage, but how many players can do divisions like that? Top 0,1%?

An average CV with average division mates isnt going to have 70% winrate.

This is the same old triple-unicum-division-is-rekking-me-mimimi that has been around since the start of this game.

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2 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

This is the same old triple-unicum-division-is-rekking-me-mimimi that has been around since the start of this game.

 

I've seen some, but never any great ones. Usually their AA cruisers get blapped by BBs.

Sometimes they think they are so good, their CV doesn't hide, well... BLAP!

 

Better are the ones pairing a CV with a BB. CV spots CLs. and then his own BB blast them out of the water.

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If your CV is unable to deal with a CV division he won't be able to deal with an AA division or an expert CV player anyway.

If your CV is actually capable of dealing with a CV division (which is very much possible contrary to popular belief) then it's not the fault of the CVs that you lost.

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19 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Also thought it was noty possible, but hey, I have seen lots of T7, some T8. No T9 or T10 so what do I know.

I've seen 'miracles' like 2CVs + 5DDs, or games without a BB, so you never know. 

A long long time ago it used to be possible, but it's ages since CVs need to have an opposing CV of the same tier. This rule, especially during the night, is the basis on almost all cases of "MM screwing up" (like 1 CV + 11 BBs per team)

 

Basically:

  • CV of tier Z will always fight CV of tier Z
  • tier 4, 5, 6 and 7 CVs can be in 1x CV or 2x CV per team games
  • tier 8, 9 and 10 CVs will always be in 1x CV per team games
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Yeah I knw I could get 1-1- or 2-2 CVs in T6, T7 and T8.

But i didn't know a T8 CV could only get solo. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, plammbeach said:

For crying out loud.

 

can you(WG) please stop carriers div. - to be able, to play against none carriers div.   ------  it is almost cheating.!!!!

 

thank you.

Agreed

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3 hours ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Pair a 40% WR Kaga with 2x 40% WR Flints / Atlantas and you end up with 5% WR

 

Division of 3 skilled players have a high likelihood of dictating the game, no matter what ships they are in, in the exact same way as 3 potatoes have a high likelihood of throwing that same game

 

What are you even...? Games where one team has a CV and the other one doesn't are impossible, they are hard-mirrored

 

I remember a battle (2 vs 2 carriers) with an enemy Division of a Ryujo + 2 Clevelands. I thought "This is going to be tricky" and attacked like I usually do. The funniest thing was to see one of their Clevelands stayed on the bottom of the map next to their carrier and the second one went to the other corner of the map almost borderhugging it. I had almost free reign on the sky (usual fighter and combat stuff). The escort Cleveland stayed with it's carrier to the very end (funny thing, I never attack an enemy carrier unless there is a straight path between us AND no other priority target around). They just shoot down two or three planes. I just removed others ships, protected my team from enemy air strikes and let the team sink these Clevelands instead of sending my planes to die in their AA.

 

I don't understand why so many people complains about the so called "cancer divisions". I meet them in battle and often I wait until the cruisers are destroyed or just attack somewhere else (this works on all levels except tier IX and X, there is way too much AA there everywhere). I play solo, and barely play in a division and I have a decent winrate on all carriers except Ranger and Hakuryu (and no, I don't have Midway).

 

So... No frigging excuses!!!

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4 hours ago, plammbeach said:

For crying out loud.

 

can you(WG) please stop carriers div. - to be able, to play against none carriers div.   ------  it is almost cheating.!!!!

 

thank you.

If the cvs are semi equal skill then the one in the division plainly gains an advantage in a way that doesn't happen with "normal" non cv divisions. Also surprised you didn't touch on anchoring in your OP plamm ;)

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4 hours ago, Corvi said:

 

He’s right thou, a CV paired with two AA cruisers is a huge advantage over the enemy .. Pair my Kaga with Flint/Atlanta and you end up with 95% wins

Pair  3 uniqums in Sims, Belfast, Belfast  div and you will get same result. 

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27 minutes ago, 15JG52Adler said:

Pair  3 uniqums in Sims, Belfast, Belfast  div and you will get same result. 

Nope, they can only ruin 1 flank while the enemy can win on the other flank. You can also torp their smoke with 2-3 targets inside for easy hits.

 

The CV div can send an AA ship each flank, while CV can be anywhere.

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16 hours ago, 22cm said:

Nope, they can only ruin 1 flank while the enemy can win on the other flank. You can also torp their smoke with 2-3 targets inside for easy hits.

 

The CV div can send an AA ship each flank, while CV can be anywhere.

Yes they can shut down other CV. My example shut down whole enemie team. Torpig smoke is like 40 WR 200 PR guy trying to blindeshoot in smoke. 

 

Endless smoke + almost endless radar + endless hydro + constant spot = win

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On 7/21/2018 at 1:25 PM, GarrusBrutus said:

Just try and do the best you can and try to get your team to work together and that is all you can do.

Try to get your team to work together? On summer holidays? :cap_haloween:

I have feeling we are not playing the same game.

 

On 7/21/2018 at 1:25 PM, GarrusBrutus said:

Sorry to be that guy but this wining about carrier divisions just makes you look like a potato.

Yea, whenever we see some OP division its not allowed to criticize.

How dare we!

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21 hours ago, 22cm said:

The CV div can send an AA ship each flank, while CV can be anywhere.

 

And how exactly is this supposed to impact CV play? Unless a flank gets overrun both CVs are in a stalemate and cannot do anything thanks to a little something called "fighters".

Also a CV can be everywhere lol. How about using the minimap, the clock and some common sense to determine where the enemy is most likely going to be? Is that too hard for you Mr. "CVs are OP because they punish me when I'm camping"?

 

2 hours ago, Hades_warrior said:

Try to get your team to work together? On summer holidays?

 

Does your team and in extension you deserve to win when they fail to do so?

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1 hour ago, Hades_warrior said:

Try to get your team to work together? On summer holidays? :cap_haloween:

I have feeling we are not playing the same game.

 

Yea, whenever we see some OP division its not allowed to criticize.

How dare we!

The enemies work together equally bad, what's your point? Should I say: camp in the back untill your team is dead and then proceed to the forum to complain about how some kids defeated you in a game? 

Sure you can complain and criticise but it just doesn't make you look better, that's all. But by all means, do what you want.

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