Summer Sale 2018: finished

[Uglesett]

8 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

This is part of what I do for a living; if you're any good at it, one of the key lessons to learn is "you may very well be wrong"...!

I'm an engineer*, not an economist. I did, however, have a couple of uni courses that dealt with economics and market analysis and stuff. And the one thing I can say I did walk away with from that was just how much your assumptions influence your final result. There's a reason sensitivity analyses are a thing.

 

*Which means that I also make a lot of assumptions, but they tend to be conservative assumptions that make things unnecessarily big and expensive.

[pzkpfwv1d]

With regards to the Tirpitz, where is 617 squadron when you really need them, the ship is an icon yes just for being in existence but it was actually a waste of resources as it hardly ever ventured out of harbour in its entire existence and was actually sunk by land based bombers after having already been damaged by the same bombers previously 

 

I am actually only interested in one premium which I doubt will be on sale - the Graf Zepplin 

[Aragathor]

9 minutes ago, Uglesett said:

I did, however, have a couple of uni courses that dealt with economics and market analysis and stuff.

Same, almost. I loved how the professors reminded everyone that the Homo Economicus is a myth and people tend to act based on irrational reasons.

My takeaway from those courses was, that many companies will go for a short term success that looks good on the quarterly report, even if it kills the product in the long run. Especially if a good report is combined with fat bonuses for management.

[Verblonde]

 

1 hour ago, pzkpfwv1d said:

With regards to the Tirpitz, where is 617 squadron when you really need them, the ship is an icon yes just for being in existence but it was actually a waste of resources as it hardly ever ventured out of harbour in its entire existence and was actually sunk by land based bombers after having already been damaged by the same bombers previously 

I've seen it argued that the Tirpitz wasn't as big a waste of resources as we often think, on the grounds that (until the 617 mob did the necessary) she tied up a disproportionate amount of RN ships merely by existing.

 

I think the suggestion is that if she'd come out and engaged in mortal combat, the RN would have sunk her (possibly with one or two losses on our side), and that would have been that - assets freed up to do other things. As it was, more than one BB's worth of resources were chasing round after her...

 

1 hour ago, Uglesett said:

I'm an engineer*, not an economist. I did, however, have a couple of uni courses that dealt with economics and market analysis and stuff. And the one thing I can say I did walk away with from that was just how much your assumptions influence your final result. There's a reason sensitivity analyses are a thing.

I do buying/planning things in a corporate retail office; you only need to do that for a few years before you realise that almost all of your planning is just guessing (albeit in an educated way)...!

My finest hour involved a product several years ago that I *knew* wouldn't sell (I only put it in to liven up an otherwise fairly conservative range, and budgeted to reduce the things heavily at the end of the season); b*gger me, if they didn't sell out in under a week...!

 

On my turf, we have the 80:20 rule, whereby 80% of your profit will come from 20% of your products; I gloomily translate that as "well done - 80% of your buy sucked!"...

(Edit to change vintage slang that reads a lot ruder nowadays than I meant)

[Uglesett]

9 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

I've seen it argued that the Tirpitz wasn't as big a waste of resources as we often think, on the grounds that (until the 617 mob did the necessary) she tied up a disproportionate amount of RN ships merely by existing.

The concept known as a fleet in being. Same thing applied to a great extent to the Regia Marina during the war.

 

I mean, it's a pretty general concept of warfare that a small unit that can operate somewhat unpredictably tends to require a lot of resources to defend against. It's the same thing with partisans and commandos - you need to hold off a disproportionate amount of manpower and resources for rear area security just to protect stuff from relatively small units that wouldn't make much of a difference in a front line battle.

3 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

On my turf, we have the 80:20 rule, whereby 80% of your profit will come from 20% of your products; I gloomily translate that as "well done - 80% of your buy sucked!"...

[Aragathor]

16 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

On my turf, we have the 80:20 rule, whereby 80% of your profit will come from 20% of your products; I gloomily translate that as "well done - 80% of your buy sucked!"...

On your turf? Dude, that's the Pareto principle, and it's more than a hundred years old.

Also, 80% of feedback is generated by 20% of the player base (or complaints).

 

[Prospect_b]

1 hour ago, xenopathia said:

Infact I owe a HUGE  thanks to WG for not taking my money. 

Yup, same here.

 

With +-50 % discount I might have been tempted to buy ships I'd never buy otherwise (dirpitz or Eugen come to mind). But 30% for ships that I will hate quite fast because of their matchmaking, xaxaxa

 

 

[Verblonde]

38 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

On your turf? Dude, that's the Pareto principle, and it's more than a hundred years old.

 

True - I didn't say it was exclusive to my area...

[Uglesett]

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

(Edit to change vintage slang that reads a lot ruder nowadays than I meant)

Bit of a digression, but for the record: I grew up in the 80s without cable television. The Norwegian state broadcasting channel has always cooperated closely with the BBC, which means that I was pretty much raised on Monty Python, Fawlty Towers etc. (plus a fair bit of David Attenborough).

 

So if there was anything in there that could be seen as rude... I probably didn't notice 

[Verblonde]

1 minute ago, Uglesett said:

Bit of a digression, but for the record: I grew up in the 80s without cable television. The Norwegian state broadcasting channel has always cooperated closely with the BBC, which means that I was pretty much raised on Monty Python, Fawlty Towers etc. (plus a fair bit of David Attenborough).

Sounds like a very solid education to me - thumbs up to Norway!

 

As a further digression: I'm hoping that it turns out that David Attenborough is in fact an immortal - I really don't think Britain will be able to cope if he ever shuffles off...

[pzkpfwv1d]

1 hour ago, Uglesett said:

Bit of a digression, but for the record: I grew up in the 80s without cable television. The Norwegian state broadcasting channel has always cooperated closely with the BBC, which means that I was pretty much raised on Monty Python, Fawlty Towers etc. (plus a fair bit of David Attenborough).

 

So if there was anything in there that could be seen as rude... I probably didn't notice 

You forgot the classic comedies such as the carry on films, the original St Trinian's films etc etc, or may be you are a little young for those 

[Hades_warrior]

4 hours ago, TerTerro said:

50% on all ships.

And why it's bad to want more discount?

Maybe you want to buy for full price?

30% discount are not bad. If you want 50+ then you should try in walmart or some other store.

 

I dont wanna buy them at any prices because I have 0 interest in premium ships shop.

[Kauvana]

Here's hoping for 50% off Giulio Cesare, Molotov, Anshan, or De Grasse... or 30% off Scharnhorst.

[Klopirat]

[TerTerro]

11 hours ago, Hades_warrior said:

30% discount are not bad. If you want 50+ then you should try in walmart or some other store.

 

I dont wanna buy them at any prices because I have 0 interest in premium ships shop.

So why you against better discount if you not buying them?

Why concern yourself with it?

People that want to buy, want better deals, that's simple. Why spend more if you can get better discount?

[FearsomeFlotsam]

Oh boy.... Atlanta.... I'm tempted now BUT Atlanta also has dire stats. 27K average damage per game at T7????? I'm getting almost double that with Indianapolis.

[Odo_Toothless]

17 hours ago, Hades_warrior said:

What you need? 70-90% discounts?

This is not a walmart on black friday.

There is already discount or promotion for doubloons going on, in both on WOT/WoW WWW store. You can buy them from 5%  to 78% less. It depends from account ... The cheapest price is 21 EUR for 30500 doubloons. On mine it was 60%, so 30.500 = 37 EUR.

 

However opening store from a game shows the standard price - 93 EUR. (converting from local currency)

[invicta2012]

Ah, Atlanta's on sale,. Bought in last year's sale and hated for every moment until I sold it again. It'll be fun having lots of these floating around with newbie captains (not).

[Blixies]

14 minutes ago, DangerousDave2k said:

Oh boy.... Atlanta.... I'm tempted now BUT Atlanta also has dire stats. 27K average damage per game at T7????? I'm getting almost double that with Indianapolis.

Atlanta is one of a kind. There is no ship like her in her tier spread. I love the ship to death and even though I'm not that great of a captain, the results in her are quite nice for me.

Spoiler

 

[ColonelPete]

If you want to learn how to sail US CL, train on Atlanta.

When you master Atlanta, you know how to use US CL.

[Admiral_Noif]

As 300+ matches on Atlanta I can recommend to buy here asap if you dont own it. It is badass *OP HE MG* ship if you know how to play on her correct.

[Arakus]

For me its really simple.

 

After the their change of compensation there is atm no reason for me to buy anything on this so called "sale" because i don't buy gold for the normal price as i think its to high!

So WG don't want money from the players who already shown that they will spent a good amount of money on the game.

I think this is a stupid decision because they earn much less money as they could!

 

5 hours ago, Odo_Toothless said:

There is already discount or promotion for doubloons going on, in both on WOT/WoW WWW store. You can buy them from 5%  to 78% less. It depends from account ... The cheapest price is 21 EUR for 30500 doubloons. On mine it was 60%, so 30.500 = 37 EUR.

 

However opening store from a game shows the standard price - 93 EUR. (converting from local currency)

 

Where do you see a gold discount in the WoWS shop?

Link?

 

[Blixies]

4 minutes ago, Arakus said:

 

Where do you see a gold discount in the WoWS shop

Link?

 

There is no doubloon discount.

[Odo_Toothless]

4 minutes ago, Arakus said:

Where do you see a gold discount in the WoWS shop

Link?

Some players have gold discount in the Premium Shop starting from 5% to 75% - both WOW/WoT, although it is not marked as such or announced in the news page. There is only one link about it in WOT English forums: http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/679155-gold-discounts/

[Klopirat]

Gerade eben, Blixies sagte:

There is no doubloon discount.

he is refering to