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Kaiser, König, Bayern bow shapes?

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Does anybody know why they gave these WWI vintage BBs more or less pronounced raked bows? All the pictures I've seen show the typical, more or less inverted bow shapes of their time. They do obviously look better this way and fit in better with the more modern German ships in the game (as well as the paper ships).

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I think they did it because they were like that - the shape is to reduce bow wave, which reduces the drag (gives more speed).

 

Kaiser class BB:

sms-kaiser-friedrich-iii-his-majestys-sh

 

König class BB:

1200px-SMS_Kronprinz_Wilhelm_in_Scapa_Fl

 

Bayern class BB:

SMS_Bayern_in_Scapa_Flow.jpg

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As large ships with inverted and straight bows got faster, they had increasing problems with wet decks and flooding of frontal comparments. The 'what if' modernisations of the German BBs ingame have restructured bows to maintain seaworthiness with upgraded propulsion and the increased weight of new fire control and AA systems lowering them in the water.

 

This practice doesn't appear to have been very common however. Kongo was one of the biggest offenders with regard to flooding at speed, but appears to have kept a straight bow through all modernisations. So I think the fact it was done for the fictional upgrades may be due to the Russian-ness of the dev team if the heavily restructed bow of Gangut/Oktober is any indication. They're more familiar with a ship like that and put their own experience and expectations into thoughts about what the Kriegsmarine might do.

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10 minutes ago, StringWitch said:

As large ships with inverted and straight bows got faster, they had increasing problems with wet decks and flooding of frontal comparments. The 'what if' modernisations of the German BBs ingame have restructured bows to maintain seaworthiness with upgraded propulsion and the increased weight of new fire control and AA systems lowering them in the water.

 

This practice doesn't appear to have been very common however. Kongo was one of the biggest offenders with regard to flooding at speed, but appears to have kept a straight bow through all modernisations. So I think the fact it was done for the fictional upgrades may be due to the Russian-ness of the dev team if the heavily restructed bow of Gangut/Oktober is any indication. They're more familiar with a ship like that and put their own experience and expectations into thoughts about what the Kriegmarine might do.

 

The “what-if” upgrades on these ships are uninformed and utter garbage and prove that the team doesn’t have the slightest clue about ship building unfortunately. It is a fully random assortment of existing elements slapped on these ships without any consideration to purpose, feasibility, cost vs benefits and Naval thinking in DE at that time. 

 

A huge disappointment for anyone remotely interested in these ships. Agree to a degree that WG might have been misguided by the (useless) Ganguts which only showed how much Russia lost connection to modern shipbuilding after Tsushima and WW1. If WG would have been interested in delivering something plausible they could have looked at the evolution of the much more similar Revenge, Iron Duke and Queen Elizabeth ships. Or even better - considering the question “how much do I invest into older designs?” - at Yavuz/Goeben (she survived into the 1950s).

 

TL;DR: WG failed big time and created a disastrous low tier line-up with those ships. 

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