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The t5 French CL cruiser will be nerfed.

the reload time will be changed from 12s to 13s.

that awesome ship had already a huge time to reload 12s and now will be worst.

I don't get it.

why WG instead of nerfing the ships, why not buff them?

I just heard this, and I don't know why or what they are nerfing against.

But they could buff that ship to have 8s reload time and buff the others ships like dds also, to maintain the balancing.

So, a t5 ship that sees t7 ships will be nerfed , I guess MM wasn't enough.

 

And I don't know what torps Emile Bretin will end up, but according to Notser they will be changed to.

really, WG?

A dd flotilla leader, a cl, 152 mm cannons  with that change.

clap, clap, clap.

 

t6 Aoba 6x203mm =11s

t5 furutaka 6x203mm= 13s

t5 Emile Bertin 9x152mm=13s

t5 Kirov 9x180mm=13.5s

t5 Omaha 10x152mm and all the others t5s with 152mm=7s/7.5s

 

Go figure this out.

 

It makes no sense.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

t5 Omaha 10x152mm and all the others t5s with 152mm=7s/7.5s

Omaha can fire 7 guns at the same time and Emerald 6.

Königsberg has 9 guns but has to be played at max range because it's so glass and the KM 150mm shells suck.

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36 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

Maybelline because that ship is strong?

So, if t5 Emile Bertin  is strong make the others strong too, not weaker.

And don't forget t7s...

 

27 minutes ago, Nechrom said:

Omaha can fire 7 guns at the same time and Emerald 6.

Königsberg has 9 guns but has to be played at max range because it's so glass and the KM 150mm shells suck.

 Still, don't make any sense.

CAs with a better and same reload than a Cl...

 

yeah.

N.O. 13s reload time 9x203mm

t7 t9x203mm =t5 9x152mm according to WG logic

 

And Emerald... :Smile_facepalm:

it will receive a 7 kms torps instead of 6km and a detectability (concealment?) buff, instead of what that ship really needs, more armour.

 But hey, what do I know?

I'll still citadel Emeralds with HE. And Danaes with 140 mm plain HE (no IFHE involved)

 

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I absolutely love my Bertin, but will be the first to say this nerf was well deserved.

 

She is the strongest tier 5 cruiser in the game currently. And it is always easier to nerf the odd one out rather than buff the rest.

 

Also: what else were they going to nerf? Armor? Nope, she doesn't have any. In fact her armor is so bad that giving her more armor would actually be a nerf not a buff.

 

Mobility? Due to above it's the  one thing that keeps her alive.

 

Therefore any Bertin nerf had to be to the armament.

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44 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

It makes no sense.

 

Really?

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I am not a fan of the change either, but the ship is very strong.

Instead of decreasing her offensive power, WG could decrease her defensive power. For example, reduction in HP, redcution of rudder shift or turning circle.

 

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What WG could have done, is to lower the max speed and give the ship the Speed Boost consumable. Fits the line, lowers the overall strength of the ship.

But no, they had to nerf it to the ground, taking away the majority of the offensive power. After the nerf Emiles will be fast cruisers that can only die.

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4 minutes ago, lafeel said:

I absolutely love my Bertin, but will be the first to say this nerf was well deserved.

 

She is the strongest tier 5 cruiser in the game currently. And it is always easier to nerf the odd one out rather than buff the rest.

I don't think that way, perhaps within t5 battles.

but what about against Gneise/sharns, N.O., Shchors, and all the others?

but what about against t6s?

t5s have the second worst MM in this game after t8s. And they aren't as good as t6 are.

 

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To be honest, the only fix it needed was taller citadel.

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18 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Really?

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I am not a fan of the change either, but the ship is very strong.

Instead of decreasing her offensive power, WG could decrease her defensive power. For example, reduction in HP, redcution of rudder shift or turning circle.

 

t7s?

 

Emile it's already a little sluggish, the only thing that makes it agile it's the speed.

E.g.

Emile bertin               LaGal

670m turning circle   650m

7.4s rudder                   6.1s

 

 

19 minutes ago, Comodoro_Allande said:

Just move along to the supreme french sealclubber: the Friant :cap_cool:

 

yeah, sealclubbing t7s in a nerfed t5.:Smile_sceptic:

And Friant it's not as exciting as Emile is...was.

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The EB is the best performing tier 5 silver ship (52.6% win rate). They need to nerf it to make the pay to win for GC (58% win rate) et al stronger. :etc_swear:

 

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36 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

So, if t5 Emile Bertin  is strong make the others strong too, not weaker.

And don't forget t7s...

Are you familiar with the term "power creep"?

Plus what @lafeel said. Balancing a single ship around the rest is easier then balancing the rest around a single ship...

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It is just WG enforcing their pay2progress scheme some more.

 

Truth is, every tier 5 cruiser atm is extremely weak, just by the good grace of the matchmaking that will make you face scharnhorsts, lyons & belfasts 80% of the time.

A lot of them are weak regardless of that consideration and deserve a buff.

 

Someone mentioned guilio Cesare. Well that ship is broken as fck - and I even have heared people defending that just because of the matchmaking. But that ship is for them monies, so WG doesn't see problems there.

 

 

Next nerf might be a little "buff" to her armour scheme to avoid the almost guaranteed overpenning - so she too can be food for the glorious masterrace.

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4 minutes ago, Lin3 said:

The EB is the best performing tier 5 silver ship (52.6% win rate). They need to nerf it to make the pay to win for GC (58% win rate) et al stronger. :etc_swear:

 

I won a GC in a SC so I can't complain and I won't and only did a single battle in co-op, but in a bb vs bb that ship can't brawl for it's life, just saying.

but it's a pain in the [edited]when you are facing it with a cruiser.

 

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25 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

I don't think that way, perhaps within t5 battles.

but what about against Gneise/sharns, N.O., Shchors, and all the others?

but what about against t6s?

t5s have the second worst MM in this game after t8s. And they aren't as good as t6 are.

 

Well, you don't say. Maybe that's why they are T5 and not T6. If we buff the T5s with the idea they should be able to stand up to T7s reliably, then what about T4s? Will we buff them too? Or will we just have it be like the GC, which actually is able to stand up against T6 and at times T7 and as a result utterly demolishes T4?

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3 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

Well, you don't say. Maybe that's why they are T5 and not T6. If we buff the T5s with the idea they should be able to stand up to T7s reliably, then what about T4s? Will we buff them too? Or will we just have it be like the GC, which actually is able to stand up against T6 and at times T7 and as a result utterly demolishes T4?

And that is precisely why it is better to nerf the one that's performing better than the rest than to buff the rest. But mr @Butterdoll doesn't want to hear this.

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8 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

but in a bb vs bb that ship can't brawl for it's life, just saying.

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8 minutes ago, Tungstonid said:

Are you familiar with the term "power creep"?

Plus what @lafeel said. Balancing a single ship around the rest is easier then balancing the rest around a single ship...

yes I am.

yes it's easier that way also the laziest way out.

 

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Just now, Nechrom said:

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tbf, Prinz Eitel Friedrich might actually outbrawl a Giulio when it gets out. It has the turret traverse and a less accessible citadel, with more secondaries that shoot HE.

 

Other than that though, good luck beating the Giulio.

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1 minute ago, Butterdoll said:

yes I am.

Then why are you even asking for what you are asking for...

 

1 minute ago, Butterdoll said:

yes it's easier that way also the laziest way out.

It is the only reasonable way if you don't want to constantly change whole tiers or classes in their balance.

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8 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

Well, you don't say. Maybe that's why they are T5 and not T6. If we buff the T5s with the idea they should be able to stand up to T7s reliably, then what about T4s? Will we buff them too? Or will we just have it be like the GC, which actually is able to stand up against T6 and at times T7 and as a result utterly demolishes T4?

t4s have protected MM, right?

And that's maybe the main problem with t8s.

And you are describing t6s. Perhaps will happen the same as t5s in a near future.

Pensa for Cleveland perhaps was the first crack at that tier.

 

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10 minutes ago, Saiyko said:

It is just WG enforcing their pay2progress scheme some more.

 

Truth is, every tier 5 cruiser atm is extremely weak, just by the good grace of the matchmaking that will make you face scharnhorsts, lyons & belfasts 80% of the time.

A lot of them are weak regardless of that consideration and deserve a buff.

 

Someone mentioned guilio Cesare. Well that ship is broken as fck - and I even have heared people defending that just because of the matchmaking. But that ship is for them monies, so WG doesn't see problems there.

 

 

Next nerf might be a little "buff" to her armour scheme to avoid the almost guaranteed overpenning - so she too can be food for the glorious masterrace.

I agree with everything you said.

Apart from one minor correction. I've been finding mm in my Omaha very evenly spread. With an approx 33% mix of tier 7, 6 and 5 battles. It's certainly not the hyperbolic 80% tier 7's that you said.

 

I also find that I lose just as many (maybe more) battles when I'm picking on tier 4's as when I'm annoying Tier 7's in my Omaha.

The simple explanation for that could be that there are more GC's around at the moment than there are Belfasts. And those 2 ships are the Kingmakers when they are top tier.

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6 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

yes I am.

yes it's easier that way also the laziest way out.

 

So you want WG to not only buff all the other tier 5 cruisers, but also have to adjust all the  tier 4's and 6's as well, seeing as they would have to to keep everything in balance instead of just nerfing one ship?

 

And people call me a special snowflake at times. You sir are, quite frankly, a entitled *edited*

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1 minute ago, Riselotte said:

tbf, Prinz Eitel Friedrich might actually outbrawl a Giulio when it gets out. It has the turret traverse and a less accessible citadel, with more secondaries that shoot HE.

 

Other than that though, good luck beating the Giulio.

PEF will be tier 6 though, so that makes sense.

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