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Sooo, the a sassy ho  is back in shop apparently, check under the ships tab.

 

i thought this ship was perma removed and never coming back???

 

Does anyone know since when it was available again and why?

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Just now, thiextar said:

i thought this ship was perma removed and never coming back???

you "thought" wrong, that was never said

 

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But no annoucnment or anything? It just appeared in the ships tab, not even under specials.

 

Also, it should have been perma removed cause its kinda game breaking for battleships imo

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As always, don't believe everything you hear.

 

Asashio has neither been removed, nor is it OP.

 

And yes, it is on sale again since this morning.

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13 minutes ago, thiextar said:

Not op, just really broken

 

There is no real difference to Pan-Asian Deepwater torps (only that this one has the crappy IJN 4-torp-pattern with larger gaps).

 

The damage is a bit higher, and it has 20km range +TRB, but overall it is all the same. So just WASD.

 

And the ship itself is very MM dependant - to play it consistently, you have to go for the caps and know what you are doing.

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Imo its torps are overrated. Flamu made it look as though its the end of the world, in his videos on it but given every other ship and plane being able to spot them they arent really that good.

 

I remember a game in my kutu where an asashio was stalking my BBs with me in between both of them. I spotted all those torps thrown towards the BB. Gave me a scare at the start seeing the torps come towards me until I realised they cant hurt me. Literally the entire game those torps pass by me harmlessly and my BBs just avoided them since they were spotted early. Imagine with a CV in game it'll be next to useless.

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22 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

There is no real difference to Pan-Asian Deepwater torps (only that this one has the crappy IJN 4-torp-pattern with larger gaps).

 

The damage is a bit higher, and it has 20km range +TRB, but overall it is all the same. So just WASD.

 

And the ship itself is very MM dependant - to play it consistently, you have to go for the caps and know what you are doing.

Don't forget Gas Can and Z39 got quietly added too...

 

I sort of want the Asashio but I don't want to be caught short and hunted down by gunboat DDs.

 

Even though the temptation of hard farming BBs is somewhat delicious :cap_money:

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35 minutes ago, thiextar said:

Sooo, the a sassy ho  is back in shop apparently, check under the ships tab.

 

i thought this ship was perma removed and never coming back???

 

Does anyone know since when it was available again and why?

 

Why would you think that? Why should there be a why that it's back in the shop?

It's not OP, it fact it's total junk apart from when you have potato BB drivers.

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10 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

Don't forget Gas Can and Z39 got quietly added too...

 

I sort of want the Asashio but I don't want to be caught short and hunted down by gunboat DDs.

 

Even though the temptation of hard farming BBs is somewhat delicious :cap_money:

 

I think it's just part of their push to have more content in the shop all the time rather than limited selections.

 

As for gunboats, if you know how to kite and fight them in Kagero you can do it just as well in Asashio. With all the radar cruisers around at the moment nobody is playing DDs anyway, so you have free reign, and you don't have to risk yourself in radar range to torp BBs. Win-win.

 

Farming BBs is pretty fun, it can be a really chilled ship at times. Ignore the haters.

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55 minutes ago, thiextar said:

 

Also, it should have been perma removed cause its kinda game breaking for battleships imo

So?

 

BBs can be gamebreaking for every other class of ships and they arent even premium...

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10 minutes ago, VC381 said:

 

I think it's just part of their push to have more content in the shop all the time rather than limited selections.

 

As for gunboats, if you know how to kite and fight them in Kagero you can do it just as well in Asashio. With all the radar cruisers around at the moment nobody is playing DDs anyway, so you have free reign, and you don't have to risk yourself in radar range to torp BBs. Win-win.

 

Farming BBs is pretty fun, it can be a really chilled ship at times. Ignore the haters.

I still play plenty of DD even in the modern radar age. I'm just spoilt by higher tier gunboats. IJN stuff is dead meat and free kills unless you get over confident and torped whilst chasing one! I've literally got everything at T9 other than IJN (T9), and a good selection of DD Prems, Harekaze, Kidd, Lo Yang, Black (:cap_cool:) Blys, Lenin and prob a few others. Only ones I don't have are Haida and Asashio.

 

Thing is it's a lot of money for a lel boat and if it's added to the shop on a permanent basis then I may hold out for a 30% voucher... WG being WG and all :Smile_hiding:

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The ship has its role and this is torping BB and maybe a CV.

I like to drive it and sunk T10 BB drivers which don't change course or speed, so funny.

It can be a nightmare to all BBabys. :Smile_smile:

But if the radar cruisers or gunboat DD get you the asashio is most of the time dead.

 

So everybody who says its OP or broken has no clue in my eyes!

 

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I'm actually far more interested in Roma being back in the shop that Trollsashio.

 

Zao is currently a better ship to play as a torpedoboat than Asashio... 

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25 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

I'm actually far more interested in Roma being back in the shop that Trollsashio.

 

Zao is currently a better ship to play as a torpedoboat than Asashio... 

That's just it, by the higher tiers even the DD gunboats are competitive torp boats  which leaves the IJN specialised torp DDs feeling sad. Let alone some of the Cruisers which do a decent passing impression of one.

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2 hours ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

There is no real difference to Pan-Asian Deepwater torps (only that this one has the crappy IJN 4-torp-pattern with larger gaps).

 

Ability to hit cruisers is a damn big difference imo. One of the two is the greatest anti-cruiser torp boat line, while the other is utterly incapable of dealing with them.

 

I hope there won't be another flood of these morons, despite the incredible cruiser numbers.

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Something to be said for Asashio: if you have any French (extra credits) camo lying around, you can make a lot of silver very quickly (if the enemy BBs cooperate)...

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3 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

Ability to hit cruisers is a damn big difference imo. One of the two is the greatest anti-cruiser torp boat line, while the other is utterly incapable of dealing with them.

 

I hope there won't be another flood of these morons, despite the incredible cruiser numbers.

 

Point was that there is no real difference for BBs. 

 

And I am doing fine in my Asashio, even though I am often in matches with 3 BBs or less. Many people forget that DDs have a lot more to offer than torpedoes. 

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1 minute ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

Point was that there is no real difference for BBs. 

 

And I am doing fine in my Asashio, even though I am often in matches with 3 BBs or less. 

Because of the awesome ship, or because the enemy doesn't give you the trouble they could?

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8 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

 

I hope there won't be another flood of these morons, despite the incredible cruiser numbers.

It might be a giggle to take out one's gunboat DDs if there are...?

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1 minute ago, Verblonde said:

It might be a giggle to take out one's gunboat DDs if there are...?

Not worth it to play a gunboat DD just to try get shots in on the elusive Asashio, which often camps in the back and doesn't come close to caps anyway, is useless by torping ships that are not BBs or otherwise dies to the flood of radar cruisers and at the end of the day you are just yourself a DD, left to deal with the radar cruisers and such. If you like DDs, go play your gunboat DDs, but if all you want is crap on an Asashio, just don't. Play a Chapayev or something.

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1 hour ago, Negativvv said:

Thing is it's a lot of money for a lel boat

I think this is a general problem, highlighted by the recent flood of ships to the shop. I'm pretty sure in the 2.5 years I've been playing premium ship costs have gone up 30% (though this might be partly an exchange rate issue). And at the same time the number of premiums has exploded, as has the number of lines to play normally.

 

So while I don't have a problem in principle with blowing £30 on a ship, I'm increasingly reluctant to do it because a) I don't just want one ship and b) I have so many other ships I know I won't play it enough to get the return I feel makes it worth it.

 

It's an overwhelming and expensive choice for newbie and veteran alike, I think if that's their plan they need a global premium cost reduction alongside the growing selection.

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2 minutes ago, VC381 said:

I think this is a general problem, highlighted by the recent flood of ships to the shop. I'm pretty sure in the 2.5 years I've been playing premium ship costs have gone up 30% (though this might be partly an exchange rate issue). And at the same time the number of premiums has exploded, as has the number of lines to play normally.

 

So while I don't have a problem in principle with blowing £30 on a ship, I'm increasingly reluctant to do it because a) I don't just want one ship and b) I have so many other ships I know I won't play it enough to get the return I feel makes it worth it.

 

It's an overwhelming and expensive choice for newbie and veteran alike, I think if that's their plan they need a global premium cost reduction alongside the growing selection.

It's awful for noobs, remember the Tirpitz hordes?  :cap_haloween:

 

I've deliberately put the brakes on what I buy for Prem ships now. I have the Alabama and Kidd that I've essentially hardly played, considering that's £50 or so of pixel ships I'm having to force myself to play them now :Smile_child:

 

I think all of us should look up our own played stats on Prem ships and work out if they've been value for money and if not close the wallet and get playing them!!! 

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44 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

Because of the awesome ship, or because the enemy doesn't give you the trouble they could?

 

Of course you are not being shut down properly in Randoms.

 

But the 5.4 concealment is also a very useful support-capability. 

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11 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

Of course you are not being shut down properly in Randoms.

 

But the 5.4 concealment is also a very useful support-capability. 

Yeah, but that's practically what it comes down to. It's not a great (or even good) ship, it's just that if you know how to make use of the few aces it has, you have still more impact that people in better DDs with less clue of what they are doing.

 

Which in and off itself wouldn't be that bad (just really frustrating for anyone who wanted another decent IJN premium DD or wanted the Asashio-class represented as something proper), if the ship wasn't so brokenly lop-sided that it practically feasts on the mistakes WG made, namely BB overpopulation and the low-quality of gameplay after continued efforts to cater to the lowest common denominator. and unlike other ships that are seriously not competitive, like the Huang He, the Asashio itself caters to the braindead, because while squeezing out wins isn't as easy if your team is crap, getting anything done at all is way too easy. So all the 40% WR folks now have a DD that can delete a straightlining BB at long range for minimal effort sometime within the 20 minutes of a game and they already have a better result than in ny of their other DDs, where they just sucked and died by the 3-minute mark at latest. And sure, there might be the real glue-sniffers, who spend the entire game torping cruisers, but I think at that point it is safe to say, in any other DD, they wouldn't have accomplished anything either.

 

That is not to say that you or some other people who play this ship are crap and not capable of playing DDs, but let's face it, this ship is not just going to be bought by you and other decent to good DD players. It'll be bought (again) by the masses of people who cannot play proper DDs and who likely infest the IJN DD line, because long-range torp spam seemed easy on paper, giving the ships a bad reputation and WG an excuse to forget the line exists 99% of the time (because 20 km torp Shimakaze is the most popular T10 DD anyway, so who cares about its competitive edge?).

52 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

It's awful for noobs, remember the Tirpitz hordes?  :cap_haloween:

 

I've deliberately put the brakes on what I buy for Prem ships now. I have the Alabama and Kidd that I've essentially hardly played, considering that's £50 or so of pixel ships I'm having to force myself to play them now :Smile_child:

 

I think all of us should look up our own played stats on Prem ships and work out if they've been value for money and if not close the wallet and get playing them!!! 

Indeed. I thankfully have only two ships that I don't think I've yet gotten much value out of playing, compared to cost, which are Texas (21 knot dreadnought. At least it cost me only like 11 Euro back during the special deals) and Giulio Cesare (though, too recent purchase and with my limited time for play, I don't pick a ship that doesn't qualify for Indianapolis missions. The few games I did play, the ship was very nice).

 

One other thing I kind of consider, is, would the ship be that much different an experience. Tirpitz vs Bismarck for example. I find 40+ Euro for basically a Bismarck with torps instead of hydro a bit pricy (not in the least because I find hydro better). This was even more pronounced with Prinz Eugen pre-buff, which seemed like the most pointless purchase in the game. And for that kind of money, you could easily get ships that seem more different and fun.

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