[STARS] RedOnly Players 733 posts Report post #1 Posted July 3, 2018 I know it's a long debate here, some have seen these ghost ships in a battle, others in their dreams, few have met one face to face! And sorry, but I'm one of those! Here is the story of the new US heavy ghost light cruiser Dallas ( strange coincidence maybe have something to do with the assassination of JFK... who knows...) made for C.I.A for covered missions... OK, I know you can't wait for proofs, it's always a question of proofs, but I have them! Don't worry! To excuse WG for this mistake that could change the result of Battles, I must say that it happened already with other new Cruiser lines. As far as I remember I met another case with a Galissonnière when it was just released. So, it could happen, algorithms are human made... by now.... So I hope next patch they'll fix it!! So here the screen shot from the replay: Dallas was able to come in open water and still be hidden for 3 to 5 sec and for 1 km or more at a very far distance from my Fiji of 1.9 km...! So the answer is yes, disappearing ships exist but 99% are a software mistakes that can be corrected. See ya! P.S. The effect of the second shot of the Dallas half transparent is due to the slow motion play I used to get the shots 1 1 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spunyarn Players 533 posts Report post #2 Posted July 3, 2018 I'm not sure I follow your complaint; it looks like you are the only player left on your team so nobody else could spot that Dallas, and as you are in smoke you couldn't see the enemy ship until it got within the proximity spotting range of 2km. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Commander_Cornflakes WG Staff, WoWs Wiki Team 3,711 posts 15,747 battles Report post #3 Posted July 3, 2018 Ships not being spotted through your smoke is nothing new, right? And then comes the render time of ships that can take a few seconds. The real questions are: How can you have only 16k damage after a 17 minutes game and how did you get 3 kills with that damage? And why was your hydro not running? That would have spotted the Dallas way earlier. 10 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #4 Posted July 3, 2018 Sitting in smoke with no hydro and complains about the game.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #5 Posted July 3, 2018 3 hours ago, RedAnark said: I know it's a long debate here, some have seen these ghost ships in a battle, others in their dreams, few have met one face to face! And sorry, but I'm one of those! Here is the story of the new US heavy ghost light cruiser Dallas ( strange coincidence maybe have something to do with the assassination of JFK... who knows...) made for C.I.A for covered missions... OK, I know you can't wait for proofs, it's always a question of proofs, but I have them! Don't worry! To excuse WG for this mistake that could change the result of Battles, I must say that it happened already with other new Cruiser lines. As far as I remember I met another case with a Galissonnière when it was just released. So, it could happen, algorithms are human made... by now.... So I hope next patch they'll fix it!! So here the screen shot from the replay: Dallas was able to come in open water and still be hidden for 3 to 5 sec and for 1 km or more at a very far distance from my Fiji of 1.9 km...! So the answer is yes, disappearing ships exist but 99% are a software mistakes that can be corrected. See ya! P.S. The effect of the second shot of the Dallas half transparent is due to the slow motion play I used to get the shots I'm afraid that there's a good chance that what you show isn't a software error at all, but rather your lack of knowledge of game mechanics. Namely, two of them: 1. Spotting (or rather rendering of spotted ships) is postponed. The coded delay is something like 3 seconds if I recall correctly. This is why you first get a "spotted" notification and only after a moment the enemy appears (and closer than 2km too) 2. Also (not in case of Dallas, but in general for cases like these) it's perfectly possible to be proximity-spotted before you yourself manage to proximity-spot an enemy. Target Acquisition System Modification 1 Increases maximum acquisition range: +50% to range of assured acquisition of enemy ships. +20% to spotting range. +20% to the acquisition range of torpedoes. It's not really a very good (compared to alternatives - it goes into the concealment slot) or very popular upgrade. But it exists. Although Dallas can't mount it so it wasn't the "culprit" here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,888 battles Report post #6 Posted July 3, 2018 The amount of priggery in the OP combining with the ignorance of the game mechanics... and this! 2 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said: why was your hydro not running? and this! 3 hours ago, Johmie said: only player left on your team 1 hour ago, ColonelPete said: Sitting in smoke . . . 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #7 Posted July 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, Excavatus said: The amount of priggery in the OP combining with the ignorance of the game mechanics... and this! and this! . . . I especially enjoy the mini-map that you can cover with your thumb. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,855 battles Report post #8 Posted July 3, 2018 He's also running Windows XP, and I don't think the game supports that anymore.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,888 battles Report post #9 Posted July 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Nechrom said: I especially enjoy the mini-map that you can cover with your thumb. Oh blimey!! I literally didn't see the minimap!! oh.. and hidden stats as well ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] walter3kurtz Players 1,037 posts 10,829 battles Report post #10 Posted July 3, 2018 2 hours ago, eliastion said: 2. Also (not in case of Dallas, but in general for cases like these) it's perfectly possible to be proximity-spotted before you yourself manage to proximity-spot an enemy. Target Acquisition System Modification 1 Increases maximum acquisition range: +50% to range of assured acquisition of enemy ships. +20% to spotting range. +20% to the acquisition range of torpedoes. It's not really a very good (compared to alternatives - it goes into the concealment slot) or very popular upgrade. But it exists. Although Dallas can't mount it so it wasn't the "culprit" here. I was thinking he probably fired his guns before that, but proximity spotting could also very well be the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_DeathWing_ Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 2,625 posts 9,867 battles Report post #11 Posted July 3, 2018 Hidden stats... I wonder why 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PKTZS] JapLance Weekend Tester 2,567 posts 18,265 battles Report post #12 Posted July 3, 2018 Well, 32 hits at the end of the game with a Fiji... that explains it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #13 Posted July 3, 2018 7 hours ago, RedAnark said: So here the screen shot from the replay: Dallas was able to come in open water and still be hidden for 3 to 5 sec and for 1 km or more at a very far distance from my Fiji of 1.9 km...! Id like to ask you this question: At what distance do you think the Dallas should have been spotted? Lets assume there are no island and you are sitting in the smoke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #14 Posted July 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said: The real questions are: How can you have only 16k damage after a 17 minutes game and how did you get 3 kills with that damage? And why was your hydro not running? That would have spotted the Dallas way earlier. He even manages to squeez a torp-hit into those 16k dmg ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PUPSI] Klopirat Freibeuter 15,160 posts Report post #15 Posted July 3, 2018 Vor 2 Stunden, invicta2012 sagte: He's also running Windows XP, and I don't think the game supports that anymore.... and with an imho very strange key setting...consumables on del, end, page down, num block? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #16 Posted July 3, 2018 This thread deserves the seal Spoiler Sorry boris yours don't qualify Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KHIF] Akikaze94 Players 1,735 posts 3,523 battles Report post #17 Posted July 3, 2018 7 hours ago, RedAnark said: So the answer is yes, disappearing ships exist but 99% are a software mistakes that can be corrected. See ya! How can you belong to a clan and still be so much ignorant of the most basics mechanics of the game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #18 Posted July 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ysterpyp said: This thread deserves the seal Reveal hidden contents Sorry boris yours don't qualify Wouldn't the Rating : Suspicious be better in this case ? As for the OP, there are too many things to retort to, I don't know where to starts, but I'll try : - endgame, 32 hits with Fiji wtf - No knowledge of the game mechanics wtf - 16k damage wtf - 3 kills within 16k damage ! And I thought my 6 kills with Worcester in 120k was already low enough ! Wtf. - Still one torp hit wtf. - Wtf are those consumable key - Windows XP wtf. TL;DR : wtf. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #19 Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, ShinGetsu said: Wouldn't the Rating : Suspicious be better in this case ? thats the one id be looking for Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #20 Posted July 3, 2018 Reading the forums (typically more invested and knowledgeable players than non forum goers) has opened my eyes as to the extent (or lack thereof) of the average player's ability to understand the game. WG... Make in-game tutorials. It's more urgent than adding more and more branches. I'll volunteer to test them out. Seriously, that's part of my job description. @Tuccy @MrConway 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reykira Players 976 posts 6,082 battles Report post #21 Posted July 3, 2018 Well... Typical potato player, not surprising at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reykira Players 976 posts 6,082 battles Report post #22 Posted July 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said: Reading the forums (typically more invested and knowledgeable players than non forum goers) has opened my eyes as to the extent (or lack thereof) of the average player's ability to understand the game. WG... Make in-game tutorials. It's more urgent than adding more and more branches. I'll volunteer to test them out. Seriously, that's part of my job description. @Tuccy @MrConway Maybe they can do both, with 2 different teams. Sorry for double posts, It won't happen again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,888 battles Report post #23 Posted July 3, 2018 How deep a screenshot can bury its owner!!! 6 hours ago, Johmie said: you are the only player left on your team so nobody else could spot that Dallas 5 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said: How can you have only 16k damage after a 17 minutes game and how did you get 3 kills with that damage? 5 hours ago, Commander_Cornflakes said: And why was your hydro not running? 2 hours ago, Nechrom said: the mini-map that you can cover with your thumb 2 hours ago, invicta2012 said: running Windows XP, 1 hour ago, JapLance said: 32 hits at the end of the game with a Fiji. 35 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said: a torp-hit into those 16k dmg 28 minutes ago, Bismark_ohne_Zeh said: strange key setting...consumables on del, end, page down, num block Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P0RT] Admiral_H_Nelson Players 3,938 posts 23,206 battles Report post #24 Posted July 3, 2018 35 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said: Reading the forums (typically more invested and knowledgeable players than non forum goers) has opened my eyes as to the extent (or lack thereof) of the average player's ability to understand the game. WG... Make in-game tutorials. It's more urgent than adding more and more branches. I'll volunteer to test them out. Seriously, that's part of my job description. @Tuccy @MrConway I agree about the tutorials. You never know, it might, just might ...... HELP IMPROVE THE WORRYINGLY LOW PLAYER RETENTION RATE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #25 Posted July 3, 2018 Also, using a 3rd party screenshot utility for no reason whatsoever, ensuring he hides part of the screen he needed to take a screenshot off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
