[OILUP] WhiskeyWolf Beta Tester 1,491 posts 11,683 battles Report post #76 Posted April 9, 2015 In your previous post you said "You may have not noticed but half the game is missing". That is ott statement and you know it :] The damage model and balancing IS the half of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snot_Shot Beta Tester 31 posts 6 battles Report post #77 Posted April 9, 2015 The damage model and balancing IS the half of the game. Yes sir! You the boss! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rafisk Weekend Tester 101 posts 3,143 battles Report post #78 Posted April 9, 2015 One post uper you have supertester statement that you will not get those ships when the game goess live all you do is pay for testing them ;] That's what you get for not reading the whole thing T.T *Silly me* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dennez Beta Tester 60 posts 109 battles Report post #79 Posted April 9, 2015 It's a pre-order.. Which imo means you'll get the ship(s)/gold whenever the games goes live.. Getting it earluier in the CBT/OBT is just an added and much appreciated bonus. You actually get to play with the ships beforehand.. Something Chris Roberts won't allow you to do in the next 10 years 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boevebeest Beta Tester 370 posts 999 battles Report post #80 Posted April 9, 2015 I think that is even bigger reason to complain... so only ones who can test those ships are the ones who pay while game is in horrible state and much testing and changes are to be done to make it worth playing after release? Yet to test certain things you have to pay not knowing if the game will change for the better or not... Makes sense right? But alas... its WG, so its to be expected i guess! Then again... game economy(high tiers) already makes it pretty obvious that the game is pay2play and not really worth it... Luckily no one is forcing anyone to buy them. You know it is beta and the game will make a lot of changes the coming months, and even if it is fully released they keep balancing and rebalancing the game and its content. Look at WoT, how many premium tanks have been rebalance over the years? Almost all of them had a buff or nerf at some time, a few multiple times. Or they are even completely removed from store. It is up to yourself if you want to invest your money, no one will be banned or in any way punished for not buying premium stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genai Beta Tester 675 posts 1,928 battles Report post #81 Posted April 9, 2015 I wrote what I intended to write. Content can be added, damage mode and balancing have to be done subsequently and as early as possible. Indeed... they built the game around concept of roles and teamplay... and as it is currently, that concept is completely useless and bad in actual gameplay... and in many cases even trying to employ that concept in gameplay is actually the worst way to play your ship... content cant fix that... american battleships and japanese carries wont change anything about that Damage model, armor model, role model, class model... all have to be changed in addition to broken balance within classes and roles and countless draws and everything else bad that comes out of badly implemented base concept of game... and to reply to guy who said that they will make game playable at high tiers without premium... i highly doubt that... its WG and its their official stance that at T8 you are at 0... while t9 and t10 on avg lose money without premium... and for someone like me... there is nothing worth playing before t10! I actual did pay a lot for premium in WoT... but you know for what? To get to t10 faster so i have to suffer lower tiers less... and then play t10 until premium runs out and stop playing wot, as i cant play t10 and t1-t9 are not even remotely interesting to me! Now that i no longer have any t10s i want to buy, i dont even play wot anymore... and probably never will! And in wows t10 are not even good and cool like in wot, so not even worth it to pay to get there... Nothing can beat tier 12 battles in wot(15v15 tier 10... all tanks belong, no one is too strong for others, or too weak against others... closest you can get to balance in games like these... epic battles... and they removed it! says a lot about their way of thinking...)... that dont exist anymore(sadly, as most of my best games were in those... like 8k dmg leo 1 game in full 15v15 tier 10 game... that even got me one of the best results for t10 mediums in that event for type 59s)... most fun and epic battles ever in wot... and here its just not possible as t10 is actually worst gameplay in this game... slowest, most boring and everything 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boevebeest Beta Tester 370 posts 999 battles Report post #82 Posted April 9, 2015 @WiskeyWolf. This is closed beta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #83 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) delete Edited April 9, 2015 by Hanszeehock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genai Beta Tester 675 posts 1,928 battles Report post #84 Posted April 9, 2015 @WiskeyWolf. This is closed beta. Exactly... its not early alpha... its closed beta! Many of you need to figure that out Its polishing state of game, not time to completely change core aspects of the game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OILUP] WhiskeyWolf Beta Tester 1,491 posts 11,683 battles Report post #85 Posted April 9, 2015 @WiskeyWolf. This is closed beta. Thanks buddy, else I may not have noticed when I applied for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H_E_R_T_Z Beta Tester 185 posts 647 battles Report post #86 Posted April 9, 2015 You still get the pre-order packs on OBT and the final release. They said it on the official announcement. That is the entire dilemma...They actually never used the term "final release"...That is why I'm asking...They said they gonna give us the bundle TWICE..in CBT and again in OBT. On the other thing it's absurd to believe that my paid premium ship will be wiped after OBT ends and the final release hits us. So there are only 2 logical conclusions I can come too. 1. There will be no hard wipe between OBT and release, or 2. They phrased their statement badly... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucyfer Beta Tester 14 posts 3,256 battles Report post #87 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) That is the entire dilemma...They actually never used the term "final release"...That is why I'm asking...They said they gonna give us the bundle TWICE..in CBT and again in OBT. On the other thing it's absurd to believe that my paid premium ship will be wiped after OBT ends and the final release hits us. So there are only 2 logical conclusions I can come too. 1. There will be no hard wipe between OBT and release, or 2. They phrased their statement badly... or 3 they will sell you "preorder" one more time b4 game goess live ;] Edited April 9, 2015 by Lucyfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue_Bug Players 1,428 posts 7,991 battles Report post #88 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) That is the entire dilemma...They actually never used the term "final release"...That is why I'm asking...They said they gonna give us the bundle TWICE..in CBT and again in OBT. On the other thing it's absurd to believe that my paid premium ship will be wiped after OBT ends and the final release hits us. So there are only 2 logical conclusions I can come too. 1. There will be no hard wipe between OBT and release, or 2. They phrased their statement badly... Etcar has made things a litle bit more clear. http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/8210-pre-order-packages-for-world-of-warships/page__st__40__p__176898#entry176898 What I understand , Everything you buy from the store, you get back after each wipe. Everything you buy in game will be wiped. There will be a wipe after CBT. There is no announcement of a wipe after OBT. I think WG hasn't decided yet about that. Added to make things clear (as I understand it): So if you buy a ship and 3000 Doubloons from the store. You get after each wipe that ship and the 3000 Doubloons back. Even if you sell the ship for credits , after the next wipe you get the ship back and not the credits (a.k.a silver). If you use the 3000 Doubloons to buy in game a premium ship. After a wipe you get back the 3000 Doubloons and not the premium ship. After the CBT there will be a wipe. A wipe after OBT is likely but there is no an offical statement about it yet. So it is not guaranteed there will be a wipe after OBT. So be carefull about selling and buying stuff in OBT. Edited April 9, 2015 by Leluk06 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daki Weekend Tester 1,677 posts 20,223 battles Report post #89 Posted April 9, 2015 I think that is even bigger reason to complain... so only ones who can test those ships are the ones who pay while game is in horrible state and much testing and changes are to be done to make it worth playing after release? Yet to test certain things you have to pay not knowing if the game will change for the better or not... Makes sense right? But alas... its WG, so its to be expected i guess! Then again... game economy(high tiers) already makes it pretty obvious that the game is pay2play and not really worth it... Hahaha you obviously did not participate in WoT CBT If you find WoWs at this stage horrible, I cannot even imagine what you would call WoT in CBT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #90 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) There is no announcement of a wipe after OBT. I think WG hasn't decided yet about that. Read this:http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/10274-premium-shop-pre-orders/page__st__60__pid__176871#entry176871 Edited April 9, 2015 by Hanszeehock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DUDS] Crooq_Lionfang Beta Tester 1,999 posts 6,434 battles Report post #91 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) The way I understand Ectar, another statement from Tuccy reposted in the German section and LeSuivre from German forum staff there will not a be a hard wipe at the end of OBT, release will be mostly about account unification. Also another statement from Brynd: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/8210-pre-order-packages-for-world-of-warships/page__st__50__p__177013#entry177013 "I'm all about clear statements, so if my previous reply hasn't made it clear now: if you buy stuff with doubloons, it remains yours at release." Of course only unspent dubloons will be converted to gold with account unification/release, because the spent ones are spent and you have stuff instead in your port or whatever. Edit to add: And nothing has to be given at release, because nothing is being taken between OBT and release. Edited April 9, 2015 by Crooq_Lionfang Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue_Bug Players 1,428 posts 7,991 battles Report post #92 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Read this:http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/10274-premium-shop-pre-orders/page__st__60__pid__176871#entry176871 (Underline removed on request Hanszeehock to prevent misunderstanding) The post from Etcar states : What you buy in-game may be reset, but you'll always end up back with whatever package you purchased from the store. From that I understand that the ships you buy in the store will not be lost after a wipe. It's also logical that if you pay real money for a ship they can't take it away on release. Why should be there other rules for buying gold then for buying ships. Edited April 9, 2015 by Leluk06 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lonigus Beta Tester 41 posts 114 battles Report post #93 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) More than 29.99€ of tokens for the Kitakami sounds like a rip of money to me. I've only got the premium membership for 9.95€, which is the only correctly priced thing in there IMO. They shouldn't charge more than 14€ for a ship. Correct me if iam wrong, but arent these ships beta limited? Even tho we ofc know how much the word "limited" means for WG by now, but anyway... The Sims is a T7 premium which equals to the E25 and as I recall I bought the E25 for 20 Euros without the gold/piasters/whatever. The Kitakami is a T8 premium cruiser/destro mutant. Not talking about the quality of the ship, but T8 tanks are 40+ Euros nowdays... Whats your point again? Edited April 9, 2015 by lonigus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue_Bug Players 1,428 posts 7,991 battles Report post #94 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) The way I understand Ectar, another statement from Tuccy reposted in the German section and LeSuivre from German forum staff there will not a be a hard wipe at the end of OBT, release will be mostly about account unification. Also another statement from Brynd: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/8210-pre-order-packages-for-world-of-warships/page__st__50__p__177013#entry177013 "I'm all about clear statements, so if my previous reply hasn't made it clear now: if you buy stuff with doubloons, it remains yours at release." Of course only unspent dubloons will be converted to gold with account unification/release, because the spent ones are spent and you have stuff instead in your port or whatever. Edit to add: And nothing has to be given at release, because nothing is being taken between OBT and release. What I understand is that you get also get your spent dubloons converted to gold, because the stuff you bought with the dubloons will be wiped. The statement of Brynd contradicts the statement of Etcar. Very strange ! Edited April 9, 2015 by Leluk06 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lonigus Beta Tester 41 posts 114 battles Report post #95 Posted April 9, 2015 What I understand is that you get also get your spent dubloons converted to gold, because the stuff you bought with the dubloons will be wiped. Yes the "tokens" are a placeholder currency. It is quite unclear tbh atm... It was said that bought stuff will be given back when it launches or wipes, but what if I buy a premium ship and sell it? Will I get the ship back? The gold? Or technically nothing bcoz I sold it and recieved normal currency? What about the premium time? Will I get the gold worth of the premium time back or the full premium time purchased? Meh... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[3X] FyreStrike Beta Tester 2 posts 16,042 battles Report post #96 Posted April 9, 2015 That is the entire dilemma...They actually never used the term "final release"...That is why I'm asking...They said they gonna give us the bundle TWICE..in CBT and again in OBT. On the other thing it's absurd to believe that my paid premium ship will be wiped after OBT ends and the final release hits us. So there are only 2 logical conclusions I can come too. 1. There will be no hard wipe between OBT and release, or 2. They phrased their statement badly... Spot on. They're not going to take premium ships away when the game goes to release. People like to read controversy into WG's actions where at all possible and assume the worst, but removing ships you've paid for directly would amount to charging for the right to test their product. They've never done that before and they're not going to now because it's nonsense from a business perspective. WG are trying to build a commercial success out of a product that's yet to come to market and no business makes a success out of infuriating it's only clients. I'd say your two conclusions are sound, with the latter being most likely. WG have no reason to have committed to an end OBT wipe or not at this stage. A wipe at the end of OBT might well depend on their timeframe for introducing new nations and tech trees. I've seen no stats to back this up but I should imagine that WG consistently make their biggest profits from WoT when they introduce new nations and trees...why?...because the grass is always greener on the other side, and so it's at those times that we all buy gold, convert xp, and advance toward that new t10 that we just got murdered by. If they're going to be ready for release of the Russian tree shortly after the game goes live then maybe it becomes more likely that there won't be a wipe, instead you can keep your progress and convert all that xp, to the benefit of WG's bottom line. If on the other hand we're going to be kept waiting for Russian steel for some time then I imagine a wipe becomes more likely. Just my two pence 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #97 Posted April 9, 2015 The post from Etcar states : From that I understand that the ships you buy in the store will not be lost after a wipe. It's also logical that if you pay real money for a ship they can't take it away on release. Why should be there other rules for buying gold then for buying ships. Sorry the English was not clear and I've now edited my post and I would be grateful if you could edit your quote please. This has now been clarified. Everything you buy with real money during OBT you keep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,506 battles Report post #98 Posted April 9, 2015 It seems the 3 ships bundle is not available on the EU shop only in other regions... they are in EU shop!!! https://eu.wargaming.net/shop/wows/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DUDS] Crooq_Lionfang Beta Tester 1,999 posts 6,434 battles Report post #99 Posted April 9, 2015 they are in EU shop!!! https://eu.wargaming.net/shop/wows/ He means the bundle with all three ships in one package, which will start April 13th according to WoWS website Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeGram Beta Tester 201 posts 1,920 battles Report post #100 Posted April 9, 2015 they are in EU shop!!! https://eu.wargaming.net/shop/wows/ 3in1 bundle is not ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
