[DAMNO] Seinta Beta Tester 857 posts 12,308 battles Report post #1 Posted April 8, 2015 As this may sound as a whine thread, I asure you it is not. Whit the big AA buff that BBs got, what I can notice as BB player at the moment is, a bit of imbalance in roles. While before i'vs seen CA's with 20-30 planes shot down, I can now in an Amagi get that as average result and I know AA get stronger with the tiers, but now I can easly take one 1 TBs squadron out before it drops it's torpedoes and damage the secong squadron. When I was playing my Ranger I did lose 2-4 planes on a solo BB, but this is a bit too much. I can be effectively attacked by Lexington and Essex captains as an Amagi captain. I think that the AA buff should be toned down to 50% of what it curently is. Cruisers should keep dominance in the AA department. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Orlunu Alpha Tester 1,427 posts 923 battles Report post #2 Posted April 8, 2015 Deamon ran the numbers. It's pure placebo. They've just changed the numerical value they assign a certain AA quality in the port. They didn't actually buff it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sharana Alpha Tester 2,271 posts 1,040 battles Report post #3 Posted April 8, 2015 They didn't actually buff it. I don't know about the numbers, but planes now die like flies, so I will say the AA got buffed too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OCTO] Kostis_Larsson [OCTO] Beta Tester 130 posts Report post #4 Posted April 8, 2015 I have to agree with Sharana, my Cleveland and Mogami are shooting down more plains than before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #5 Posted April 8, 2015 I assume the interaction between AA and planes got changed(most likely planes aren't able to tank as much damage as before). I haven't checked their stats, i will from the next patch on though. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Orlunu Alpha Tester 1,427 posts 923 battles Report post #6 Posted April 8, 2015 I assume the interaction between AA and planes got changed(most likely planes aren't able to tank as much damage as before). I haven't checked their stats, i will from the next patch on though. Makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #7 Posted April 8, 2015 Makes sense. I've done the planes but since i don't have the previous data is impossible to make a comparison. Then again now the sheet is future proof Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSargon Beta Tester 101 posts 554 battles Report post #8 Posted April 8, 2015 As this may sound as a whine thread, I asure you it is not. Whit the big AA buff that BBs got, what I can notice as BB player at the moment is, a bit of imbalance in roles. While before i'vs seen CA's with 20-30 planes shot down, I can now in an Amagi get that as average result and I know AA get stronger with the tiers, but now I can easly take one 1 TBs squadron out before it drops it's torpedoes and damage the secong squadron. When I was playing my Ranger I did lose 2-4 planes on a solo BB, but this is a bit too much. I can be effectively attacked by Lexington and Essex captains as an Amagi captain. I think that the AA buff should be toned down to 50% of what it curently is. Cruisers should keep dominance in the AA department. Carriers should be a support, not be able to kill everything from massive distance without any downsides to it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magni56 Beta Tester 386 posts 1,155 battles Report post #9 Posted April 8, 2015 Carriers should be a support, not be able to kill everything from massive distance without any downsides to it. According to whom? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSargon Beta Tester 101 posts 554 battles Report post #10 Posted April 8, 2015 According to whom? According to the state of the battles from last 3 weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TKBS] Bigepiploon2 Beta Tester 6 posts 4,466 battles Report post #11 Posted April 8, 2015 I have to try my Cleveland in a crowded sky, but before the patch i destroyed 32 planes with her AA. Yesterday my Fuso managed to destroy 25 planes sent by 2 Rangers; for now I'm fine with the change Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BKC] DBaron Beta Tester 465 posts 2,926 battles Report post #12 Posted April 8, 2015 What I noticed was that the close range AA seems to have been buffed dmg-wise which resulted in 2 things, some CVs were launching their torps from further away without really loosing planes but also not scoring as many hits and others that used the usual close-in manouver trying to dropping them nearly on your head lost loads of planes. Maybe that was WGs intention to increase drop range without actually doing it but increasing the risk for the planes ? Could be totally wrong tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-GOD-] McLeod [-GOD-] Weekend Tester 399 posts 7,184 battles Report post #13 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) What I've noticed from a CV point of view is that whilst attacking ships of equal or lower tier I will lose 1 or 2 more planes than I used to. However if I attack a ship of higher tier I am lucky if any of my planes survive and that's with a perfect attack run - straight in drop, turn and run. Usually out of a 12 plane attack I get around 7-9 torps away and then lose the majority of planes as they turn to return. Edited April 9, 2015 by McLeod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magni56 Beta Tester 386 posts 1,155 battles Report post #14 Posted April 9, 2015 According to the state of the battles from last 3 weeks. Nope. Carries should very much be capable of wiping out inattenttive fools and put the hurt on lone BBs. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ASHEN] Zaods Beta Tester 581 posts 2,656 battles Report post #15 Posted April 9, 2015 Carriers should be a support, not be able to kill everything from massive distance without any downsides to it. not quite in the pacific carriers were the main striking force while bbs and ca were mostly there for screening... and ingame carriers don't quite kill everything as easily as you make it sound they msotly kill bbs anything smaller is actually really hard to strike effectively and the planes take a huge time to rearm and fly to the target and can be engaged and shot down while they do so so "no downsides" is a huge stretch my friend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azakow Beta Tester 280 posts 619 battles Report post #16 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) @Deamon93 @Orlunu Dudes, running numbers on gun stats in the port vs. AA rating and from this advocating some kind of placebo buff is the complete opposite what PPL experience at sea. The reality at sea is, that since the change of the AA rating PPL are able to down more planes during a match. To me a clear indicator of a buff, rather than a sudden drop in CV commander skills. Edited April 9, 2015 by azakow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fenrir2205 Beta Tester 142 posts 1,131 battles Report post #17 Posted April 9, 2015 well,,, either my Fusos AA guns are broken, The gunners passed out or they are just plain lazy,,, cause they are utter crap! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DAMNO] Seinta Beta Tester 857 posts 12,308 battles Report post #18 Posted April 9, 2015 It's not a placebo, because i have played CVs and now that I am playing BB I can copmare the expirience. As a Ranger captain i used to lose 4-5 planes attacking an Amagi, but now as an Amagi captain I destroy 2 squadrons easly. Going from 5-6 downed planes to average of 15-20 is noticeable. It's a good buff, but I think that it should be toned down starting from the Fuso and going up the tiers, plenty of AA starting from tier 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brainfear1 Beta Tester 241 posts 1,258 battles Report post #19 Posted April 9, 2015 Still not having a single problem with it in my lexington. Cruisers are Just more dangerous now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #20 Posted April 9, 2015 @Deamon93 @Orlunu Dudes, running numbers on gun stats in the port vs. AA rating and from this advocating some kind of placebo buff is the complete opposite what PPL experience at sea. The reality at sea is, that since the change of the AA rating PPL are able to down more planes during a match. To me a clear indicator of a buff, rather than a sudden drop in CV commander skills. Thi means something has changed to the planes but i can't say what Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azakow Beta Tester 280 posts 619 battles Report post #21 Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Thi means something has changed to the planes but i can't say what I understand, that the change of a ships AA rating lets you assume, that something has been changed on the planes only, because the DPS values for idividual AA armanent remained the same. Why make it complicated? I am asking, because at current we are certain that the AA rating for ships has been changed only. We are also certain, that this change is noticeable. If I would be responsible for AA balancing, I would adjust/modifiy the value that is directly responsible for "AA power" of a ship, in order to find the desired set value. Changes on the planes, would also influence the balance of planes vs. planes, which may not be intended/desired. Edited April 9, 2015 by azakow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Makoniel WG Staff 2,824 posts 13,949 battles Report post #22 Posted April 9, 2015 Carriers should be a support, not be able to kill everything from massive distance without any downsides to it. A full salvo of 12 torpedoes hits from a Ranger on a Kongo should sink it. But actualy it doesn't, it leaves it with 10 000 HP and 30 000 after repair. More than 50% of the jauge. That's not support, that's throwing sand instead of torpedoes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLUNJ] beercrazy [KLUNJ] Beta Tester 1,509 posts 11,905 battles Report post #23 Posted April 9, 2015 haven't played carriers since the buff but I now feel the cruisers are more useful escorting the bb rather than just a faster firing damage dealer bb aa should be about what it was before the buff and the cruisers are about right now but as the saying goes that's just my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BKC] DBaron Beta Tester 465 posts 2,926 battles Report post #24 Posted April 9, 2015 If the stats havent changed on the planes and the changes in numbers on the AA side is more cosmetic than a real increase in damage output, my guess would be (as has been said in this thread before) that the interaction between AA guns and planes most have somehow been tweaked, maybe hit rate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #25 Posted April 9, 2015 If the stats havent changed on the planes and the changes in numbers on the AA side is more cosmetic than a real increase in damage output, my guess would be (as has been said in this thread before) that the interaction between AA guns and planes most have somehow been tweaked, maybe hit rate? It's a possibility but that can't be checked from the stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
