Moskva (X) - fore + aft armor 50mm (!)

[blindhai]

The armor buff is interesting, but may be a bit too much. I would have prefered to give it better concealment like the Henry has, for example.

[piritskenyer]

1 hour ago, blindhai said:

The armor buff is interesting, but may be a bit too much. I would have prefered to give it better concealment like the Henry has, for example.

 

Yeah, but then Henri would have needed a DPM buff...

[Musanix]

this buff makes Moskva quite overpower.

She was a fine ship at first. This buff was NOT needed at all

And I don't see why a cruiser could make bounce battleships shells with her nose.
It just makes players learn to bow on on cruisers which is a bad thing

[Gabzool]

At least some useful buff. The AP is already nerfed to the ground with terrible dispersion and zero dmg overpens and missing shells. And than the giant citadel and free kill if u outflanked.

[Affeks]

After playing new Moskva for a bit I dont think the 50mm makes too much of a difference. It just stops BBs from double citadelling you in sub 7km. Other than that Moskva still eats regular pens on the nose all the time from BBs. 

 

So in the end it just helps Moskva rush BBs in a cyclone or similar controlled close range encounters. In medium-long distance most shells will still hit 25mm and pen. 

 

This doesnt put Moskva even close to the edge of OP. In most games it cant really play aggressive enough to use that new 50mm plating for any good. Maybe if its one of the last remaining ships and has a super controlled environment.

[Yaskaraxx]

"New" Moskva, in short, the plain facts, just as they are, imo:

 

1)

Tier 10 Cruiser with worst handling and worst conceilment of all cruisers in tier 10

 

2)

Can be destroyed quite easily from the flanks, so easily. In crossfire the ship cannot protect its flanks and gets citadels like crazy.

 

3)

If playing Moskva, well, then get ready to PLAY FIRE-PREVENTER almost whole battle since the Moska burns like hell; it is a floating Torch.

 

4)

Turning circle is incredible high...ohh, man......incredible...

 

5)

Yes, it is a fast ship...BUT it still cannot outrun any shell-speed (...enemy shells are faster...lol)

 

6)

In my sincere & very honest opinion Moskva is the very most UGLY ship in game. Why is that? DM Donskoi looks great, ...and then reaching tier 10 we get such an incredible ugly shaped, ugly looking ship? Why?

 

7)

Upper fore + aft are STILL 25mm?????????????????????????????????????????????????...so enemy ships HAVE A BIG FEAST ON IT; enemy ships can do easy+fast high damage on Moskva; makes enemy REAL happy when they get a Moskva in their crosshairs.

 

8)

You still HARDLY see any Moskva in battles; seems players still dont want to play this ship. All other tier 10 cruisers are SO MUCH BETTER in all ways; so tell me: why would a player choose to play a Moskva when he/she can play a far superior 27/30mm armor plated Des Moines instead??

 

Come on, we were told 50mm aft + bow plating....made me buy the ship again ( for the 4th time)...BUT then we see we still get weak 25mm upper bow + aft armor???? Talking tier 10 here???..

Facts: for instance, when I play my Alabama (VIII) and meet an enemy Moskva, well, then my Alabama easily fully destroys Moskva, plain & easy: Alabama takes it out, very easily. I have done this over and over again: Moskva still is an EASY SNACK FOR ENEMY SHIPS.

 

9)

Don't overestimate MOSKVA guns, yes, guns are good, BUT do not do real high damage; shells bounce a lot (due to flat arcs?) and fire-starting is not real good (Cleveland and Des Moines plunge shells far more better/easily AND start fires far more easily...just as an example).

 

10)

Playstyle Moskva: not many options there ...at some point in time you are forced to angle...shoot/shoot/shoot..till enemy gets yr flanks..AND THEY WILL, SOON. Rather dull and boring to play...in no way a tricky ship....just doing "a lot of the same during battles"...so no challenging surprises there...dull/boring imo opinion

 

So, imo honest opinion: something realy wrong with this ship (still), nothing realy changed AND YOU STILL AMOST NEVER SEE PLAYERS PLAYING MOSKVA IN RANDOM. ...ask yourself WHY?..well..you already know......

 

IMO, Moskva needs to get fixed ALL over again ("from the ground-up)...otherwise there will only be the great Stalingrad as tier 10. Just my personal opinion based on my personal experince with Moska. Actually, I allways regarded the Moskva as A REAL HORRIBLE SHIP (in all ways you look at it)

 

(...lets hope it gets a BIG FIX/CHANGE in future..but then again: we have a real tier 10 already: Stalingrad and THAT SHIP is awesome, great ship, in all ways!)

 

 

 

[Musanix]

Moskva was very good already when she was used correctly
Now this buff makes her straight overpower as fck

[Yaskaraxx]

Actually, the Russian Cruiser Tree provides very nice and cool cruisers, that is u/i tier IX DM Donskoi(!) I played them all, liked/enjoyed them all. And as for the premium ships: Murmansk (V) plays good/enjoyable + makes good amounts of credits; Molotow (VI), excellent ship, is my very favourite cruiser with its 180mm guns, plays so tricky/nice (fun!) and makes real easy many credits! (= very rewarding ship). Kronstadt (IX) seems to be a very fine ship (I dont have it yet) + seems to make good credits also. And as the ultimate goal there is the Mighty Stalingrad (X)..I dont have it (yet..lol)...wanna strive to get that one, that's the Ultimate Goal. Very nice & cool looking ships those are, all(!!).

 

In short, if i would have to play say 20 battles in Random...full tier X ships...and I would have the choice: I can play either Chapa (VIII) with its 4x3 152 mm guns OR DM Donskoi (IX) having 4x3 180-mm guns OR Moskva (X)..well, my choice and preference would be playing those 20 battles with Chapa and/or Donskoi (these ships have different playing styles but are both realy good); and I would not even consider playing even 1x battle with Moskva, no: I a 100% sure would prefer taking Chapa + Donskoi into mentioned 20x full tier 10 battles.

 

Just my personal opinion; others, well, others have to make up their minds for their own

[ShinGetsu]

8 hours ago, Yaskaraxx said:

Come on, we were told 50mm aft + bow plating....made me buy the ship again ( for the 4th time)...BUT then we see we still get weak 25mm upper bow + aft armor???? Talking tier 10 here???..

Facts: for instance, when I play my Alabama (VIII) and meet an enemy Moskva, well, then my Alabama easily fully destroys Moskva, plain & easy: Alabama takes it out, very easily. I have done this over and over again: Moskva still is an EASY SNACK FOR ENEMY SHIPS

You sucks with your Alabama man. You get 30.000 average damage with a tier 8 Battleship, can you please not makes up facts ?

 

And what, you expected a full 50mm plating ? To makes the ship invincible against anything that isn't a Hindenburg or doesn't carry torpedoes ?

 

No, Moskva isn't "an easy snack". Provided you're a semi-competent players of course. Something you aren't in any way. 

 

44 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

Just my personal opinion; others, well, others have to make up their minds for their own

 

The personal opinion of someone barely better than a bot hold no value at all. Now if you could stop spouting your nonsense in a public forum where newbies may takes your "opinion" as facts, it would be really great.

[_DeathWing_]

@ShinGetsu you made him to hide his stats. He's ashamed... that's a confess.

[ShinGetsu]

Just now, _DeathWing_ said:

@ShinGetsu you made him to hide his stats. He's ashamed... that's a confess.

Nah, it wasn't me. He hid his stats when he got bashed in the Grozovoi topic.

Still doesn't change facts.

[_DeathWing_]

@Yaskaraxx is that you again? Imaginative brother that likes popcorn. Don't know which comments are more ridiculous. Yours or yours.

[I_AM_LULU_SNAIL]

On 20/06/2018 at 9:12 PM, Yaskaraxx said:

Come on, next yr gonna tell me that Moskva is an excellent ship for capping at early stage of battle and that Des Moines is supposed to be a "roaming-ship"???? lollol..maybe yr confused here: we are talking about Moskva....NOT DM Donskoi (re roaming with 25mm + 2x ruddershift upgrades).

 

Bruh

[tsounts]

So, they can also add torps and smoke to Moskva to balance her out even more... Had one bow on at 9km from my Yamato and couldn't cause serious damage on her superstructure with AP... Of course, it makes great sense... (it wasn't even saturated)

Another interesting idea would be missiles that would insta lock upon the radared target! Yey!

[Basemastar]

On 7/10/2018 at 8:19 PM, Musanix said:

Moskva was very good already when she was used correctly
Now this buff makes her straight overpower as fck

Says the guy that doesn't even own the ship.  Come on man!!!  I feel like everyone who doesn't own the ship feels like this is going to make it so "overpowered".  Like, if you don't play the ship, shut up.

[Basemastar]

8 hours ago, tsounts said:

So, they can also add torps and smoke to Moskva to balance her out even more... Had one bow on at 9km from my Yamato and couldn't cause serious damage on her superstructure with AP... Of course, it makes great sense... (it wasn't even saturated)

Another interesting idea would be missiles that would insta lock upon the radared target! Yey!

With its huge detection why the hell did you let a moskva get withing 9 km of you.  Where you sleeping?  Obviously if you are playing your ship wrong it is not going to perform correctly.  

[tsounts]

10 minutes ago, BasemastarEU said:

With its huge detection why the hell did you let a moskva get withing 9 km of you.  Where you sleeping?  Obviously if you are playing your ship wrong it is not going to perform correctly.  

Dude, better think better before you drop comments like that....I'm bored to elaborate more but you weren't in that match and trust me, I wouldn't have allowed a Moskva to get near me under the right circumstances.
Now please start playing tiers above 6 before you throw blatant comments like this, unless you're running a re-roll account.

[Basemastar]

7 minutes ago, tsounts said:

Dude, better think better before you drop comments like that....I'm bored to elaborate more but you weren't in that match and trust me, I wouldn't have allowed a Moskva to get near me under the right circumstances.
Now please start playing tiers above 6 before you throw blatant comments like this, unless you're running a re-roll account.

Once again, if you don't own the moskva, then just move along.  I love the salty tears from all the players that think this buff is broken.  You were aiming at its 16mm superstructure too and couldn't even do damage?!?  I'm sorry but I don't think the moskva got a superstructure buff.  One bad game from you where you misplayed doesn't mean that another ship that capitalized on your mistake is op.  Please start playing more T6 and under until you learn more mechanics.  Or maybe co-op is more your speed.

[tsounts]

1 hour ago, BasemastarEU said:

Once again, if you don't own the moskva, then just move along.  I love the salty tears from all the players that think this buff is broken.  You were aiming at its 16mm superstructure too and couldn't even do damage?!?  I'm sorry but I don't think the moskva got a superstructure buff.  One bad game from you where you misplayed doesn't mean that another ship that capitalized on your mistake is op.  Please start playing more T6 and under until you learn more mechanics.  Or maybe co-op is more your speed.

Funny little guy! hahahah Particularly from a person who only has tier 6 at most! Now [edited] please

[_DeathWing_]

1 hour ago, tsounts said:

Funny little guy! hahahah Particularly from a person who only has tier 6 at most! Now [edited] please

I smell a re-roll here 

[Basemastar]

1 minute ago, _DeathWing_ said:

I smell a re-roll here 

Obviously.  I thought that was a given.  Also what difference does it make for the current thread that we are discussing.  Tsounts knows he is wrong so all he can do is try and steer the thread in a different direction.  Get good son. 

[ShinGetsu]

I own the Moskva.

That buff was unnecessary. It made it pointlessy easy to play.

 

Anything else ?

[tsounts]

19 minutes ago, BasemastarEU said:

Obviously.  I thought that was a given.  Also what difference does it make for the current thread that we are discussing.  Tsounts knows he is wrong so all he can do is try and steer the thread in a different direction.  Get good son. 

Come on, take your menopause pills and relax.

[tsounts]

26 minutes ago, _DeathWing_ said:

I smell a re-roll here 

Smell? He stinks from miles away!

[Basemastar]

19 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

I own the Moskva.

That buff was unnecessary. It made it pointlessy easy to play.

 

Anything else ?

They probably felt like they had to give the Moskva some love just so it wouldn't be so god awful after people saw how much better the stalin is then its counterpart.  For one of the least played T10 cruisers, why not give it some love?  Love it or hate it, its here to stay boys.  Might as well get over it.