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Tier 7 premium DD's: which is the best?

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Hello everyone. I know what you're thinking: a low-tier player that's reviewing ship? Truth is, i've been playing the game for nearly 3 years, and had multiple accounts, just so you know.

Now, today's review is which of the tier 7 premium Destroyers is the "best". After reading it, please vote fot the winner. The competitors are:

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Main Battery Firing Range

Sims: 12.88 km

Z-39: 11.84 km

Leningrad: 11.56 km

Blyskawica: 12.01 km

In therms of range, there's not much to say. One of the main features of a DD is its concealment, which you shouldn't abuse with your firing range. Close and medium range against or DD's should do the best for you .The range of these ships is around 12 km, with Sims having almost 13 km. However, Range can be extended with AFT, which the Z-39 can't afford.

 

Rounds Per Minute

Sims: 17.96

Z-39: 8.00

Leningrad: 12.00

Blyskawica: 9.23

Sims definitely steals the show here, with almost 18 rounds per minute per gun (she carries 4) (around 3.5  seconds reloading) . In second we have the Blyska with 9.23 per minute per gun (7 guns) (which is a reload speed of 5 seconds), with the Leningrad following with 12 rounds on 5 guns per minute and at last the Z-39 with 8 rounds per minute on 4 guns. All these stats can be boosted with BFT, except for the Z-39

Battery Rotation

Sims: 34 deg/sec

Z-39: 8 deg/sec

Leningrad: 6.5 deg/sec

Blyskawica: 10 deg/sec

Once again, Sims outperforms the others in turret traverse with an amazing speed, while the others have decent - bad traverse. Might wanna lock your armament with these if you go after other DD's.

Battery Damage (HE) + fire chance

Sims: 1.8K/ 129K per min + 5%

Z-39: 2.2K/ 70K per min + 12%

Leningrad: 1.9K/ 114K per min + 8%

Blyskawica: 1.7K/ 110K per min + 8%

(this damage per minute would count if you would shoot paper ships, but you can see the difference)

Sims gets the best damage output, with Leningrad and the Blyska not following far behind, but Z-39 ending in last. But she has another trait: AP that can dash out citadels to Light cruisers and destroy their good day.

 

Torpedo Damage and count

Sims: 11.6K x 8/8.5K x 8

Z-39: 14.4K x 8

Leningrad: 15.1K x 8

Blyskawica: 14.4K x 6

The Leningrad and Z-39 have the better torps, while Sims lacks a tiny bit of damage to beat them and Blyska lacks the amount to be better. Note: the 9.2km torps on the Sims are slower than the short-ranged ones.

Torpedo Range

Sims: 5.5 km/9.2km

Z-39: 8.5 km

Leningrad: 8 km

Blyskawica: 8km

Sims being the only one to suffer from bad range, is normal. She's a USN DD after all. The rest has a nice range of 8 km.

AA

(The AA of the USN cruiser at the same tier is 220 DPS, which is "decent". This is calculated by summing up the DPS of the different kinds of AA on the ship. If this is the wrong way, correct me.)

Sims: 1.2km-5km, 64 DPS

Z-39: 2km-3.5km, 81 DPS

Leningrad: 1.2km-3.5km, 54 DPS

Blyskawica: 1.2km-3.5km, 36 DPS

First of all, these are DD's. Don't expect much from the AA. While Sims and Z-39 have a chance of shooting one down, The leningrad and the Blyska lack the power to even hit one. 

However: The Sims is far better in the matter than the Z-39. Simply because:
-It is very likely to have BFT, which also boosts AA by 20%
-Most of its DPS lies in its DP mounts, which have a 5km base range. The Z-39 has 3.5km.
-Access to DFAA consumable, which boosts the damage output by 4.
So with its DP mounts alone, a Sims with DFAA and BFT can throw 201.6 AA DPS at 5km. 6km if you put the AA module on it.

HP

Sims: 13.8K

Z-39: 19.6K

Leningrad: 15.2K

Blyskawica: 15.5K

Z-39 does quite have some HP, i was surprised myself. This might not seem much, but 100 HP could make the difference between surviving or returning to the port. The rest is nonetheless the same.

Top Speed

Sims: 38.5 knots

Z-39: 36 knots

Leningrad: 43 knots

Blyskawica: 39 knots

Even though these are ships, the Leningrad is made to RUSH B. 43 knots? That's a speedy boat. The others ships also have good speed, but Leningrad deserves the spotlight for speed.

Rudder shift time + Turn Radius

Sims: 2.7sec + 500m Radius

Z-39: 4.5 sec + 670m Radius

Leningrad: 3.7sec + 690m Radius

Blyskawica: 5.8sec + 610m Radius

Sims is exellent at turning. No doubt. The others? Well, Leningrad has a good Rudder and turning radius as well, with Z-39 being a llittle decent and Blyska having a poor Rudder Time.

Concealment

Sims: 7.6km

Z-39: 7.7km

Leningrad: 7.6km

Blyskawica: 7.7km

Good concealment for each ship. The however Z-39 has acces to the concealment module which goes good with the concealment expert skill.

Others

Sims has smoke that takes longer to set and lasts almost a minute more than the rest

Z-39 has acces to hydro (baby radar?), which is typical for tier 6+ german DD's

Sims has an excellent xp booster

Z-39 has tier 8 fire resistance

 

Welp, that's it. Who wins in my eyes?

1. Z-39 

Shout at me as much as you want. The ability to have hydro, mess up cruiser citadels and having other decent traits did it for me.

2. Sims

Guns and smoke. And torps and maneuverability are excellent. Definitely a very good ship!

3. Leningrad

Being a good ship. The others just stood above her. It is a recommendable ship though.

4. Blyskawica

Despite being good, she has some bad traits: The rudder and the captain training (polish tree, where is it wargaming?)

 

Hoped you liked it. If you read it well, congrats!  Now, would you vote for one of these ships? Friday, 14:00 EU time, i will reveal which ship got the most votes. Just Write the name of the ship and i will count the votes Friday

 

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I would go with the Z-39 personally, it is slower than the others but mostly because of hydro and longer torp range. :Smile_Default:

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3 minutes ago, jensdecoolegast said:

Hoped you liked it. If you read it well, congrats!  Now, would you vote for one of these ships? Friday, 14:00 EU time, i will reveal which ship got the most votes. Just Write the name of the ship and i will count the votes Friday

 

You know you can make a poll right? :p. I don't know if you can edit one into the thread now it's been made though, have a try.

 

At any rate, I haven't played the Z-39 but the other three are all brilliant ships and any one of them could get my vote. Will have to give it to the Sims though because of its crazy XP multiplier.

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Hmmmm personaly i like Bly the most....second is Z...but you can not miss with any of them, they are all good.

Just depends on your play style.

 

SIMS - knivefighter 

 

Bly - Lening - gunships

 

Z - hybrid

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Depends on what you want to play: Gunboat or Torpboat?

Torpboat--> Go Z

Gunboat--> Go Leningrad or Blyska

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Question to Author. You want to buy a premium DD?

 

I got three of them:

Sims has very good AA when AA Boost mounted on him, but torps are very strange slow  speed and with abysmal warheads - typical DD slayer. I have this ship build as CV troll because reason. Very fast 3,3 sec reload of guns and rocket turning speed of turrets. Trajectory of shells is typical for USN DD that mean very high arc.

 

Błyskawica has overall good performace with no big cons except almost non existing AA. Good guns to fight DD's, torpedoes medicore but useful. Need dedicated and NEW capitain what is biggest drawback if You don't have elite capitain exp but it's worth it. Better than american trajectory of shells but worse than Rashian. My personal favourites - If creator of topic wants to buy TVII DD I will advertise her with a clear consciense. My third favourite DD after Fujin and Okhotnik.

 

Leningrad is comparable to Błyskawica, with two guns less, slower gun turning speed and faster reload time, AA ( german production lol ) is theoretical, but you know about this probably. One of very few Rushian DD's which can stealthfire torpedoes. Fast Leningrad is FAST. Russian trajectory of shells that means more flat.

 

I don't have Z-39 but I buy him when will be availaible but I'm collecting DD's.

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Sorry, but this is not very helpful and even misleading in some important points.

 

Some examples:

- Sims has great DPM, but with the typical US-arcs, so you won't hit a lot at 10km+

- Sims not only has 5.5km Torps but also can equip 9.2km torps with very poor speed and dmg

- Out of these four, Sims is the only one abled to use def. AA (even without losing gun-DPM like Mahan, Benson,...)

- Z-39 is the only T7-DD with a T8-Upgrade-Slot, so you might want to equip Concealment Modification, giving her (way) better Concealment then the other three

- Z-39 has the problem of her guns being "too big" so AFT+BFT won't have any effect on your mainguns

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Only missing the Leningrad(for now,waiting for some sale)

Z-39 all the way,capping and objective controll wins games,and I prefer to win games.

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Have all of them, and they are totally uncomparable... Sims is ballet dancer with DFAA and slow moving stealth torpedoes (surprisingly usable....), Lenigrad is superfast gunboat and Z-39 is good torpedo boat with special slow reloading cannons, hydro and great health pool/concealment. Blyska is now relatively weak, but still has good DPM.

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Nice job. :) However,  I'd like to add a few corrections/complements to your work:

Gun range:
-Z-39 cannot benefit of AFT, so this range cannot be extended.
-The Sims has the best gun rango on paper, but the shell arcs are so horrible trying engaging targets beyond 10k is practically useless, just as adding AFT for gunnery purpose. At least, it can lo shells above islands.
With AFT and their good ballistics, the Blyska and Leningrad win by far (13.87 and 14.4km respectively).

Rounds per minute:
You should add to the calculation the number of mounts able to fire. The Sims fires faster, but only has 4 guns, while the Leningrad has 5 and the Blyska 7. Sio in the end, the Sims is still fist (72 RPM), seconded by he Blyska (65RPM), Leningrad being in third position (60 RPM)
Moreover, the Z-39 cannot boost its ROF with BFT, it's still last.

Torpedo damage:
The Sims has access to a second set of torpedoes with a 9.2km range, but anemic damage and low speed.

Concealment:
The Z-39 has access to the Concealment Module, which allows it to win hands down here when coupled with Concealment Expert.

AA:
The Sims is far better in the matter than the Z-39. Simply because:
-It is very likely to have BFT, which also boosts AA by 20%
-Most of its DPS lies in its DP mounts, which have a 5km base range. The Z-39 has 3.5km.
-Access to DFAA consumable, which boosts the damage output by 4.
So with its DP mounts alone, a Sims with DFAA and BFT can throw 201.6 AA DPS at 5km. 6km if you put the AA module on it.

 

MISC:
The Sims has a superb XP income modifier, which allows not to easily reach the top of the XP panel (useful in Ranked).
The Z-39 has Tier 8 fire resistance.

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I like Sims the most(for ranked). Great XP and captain trainer.

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For allround performance, Z-39. It can torp comfortably, the guns are ok, the hydro is nice, hp pool and good concealment make getting uptiered a less painful experience. 

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I like them all, it depends upon what type of battle you are playing 

Leningrad has one advantage that everyone else is ignoring - phenominal speed when engine boots is applied she can reach 46 knots which is handy to get you out of danger zones and will also enable you to cap

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7 minutes ago, pzkpfwv1d said:

I like them all, it depends upon what type of battle you are playing 

Leningrad has one advantage that everyone else is ignoring - phenominal speed when engine boots is applied she can reach 46 knots which is handy to get you out of danger zones and will also enable you to cap

Just adding a Sierra Mike signal raises the speed to 45,1kn. This also means glorious 48,8kn with spood beest. :cap_wander:

Hold on to your hat...

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I personally favor leny, easy flat arced fast shelled gunnery with decent pen on shells for a dd, usable range of torps for a russian low/mid tier dd that can bail u out from a tihgt spot or do some area denial and finally that insane speed if u have it kited for bb trolling (bft+aft+de + speed and fire flags) its outright hilarious with engine boost on... As the matter od fact thinking of this makes me want to go play it, i ll have to take it out for a spin when i get back from work:cap_haloween:

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26 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Just adding a Sierra Mike signal raises the speed to 45,1kn. This also means glorious 48,8kn with spood beest. :cap_wander:

Hold on to your hat...

I have not taken Leningrad out for a spin recently but I did take her silver cousin Minsk out this morning, managed to ram an Akatsuki and survive then gave the Queen Elizabeth BB in support a full double spread of torpedoes in the bow and sank her as well, torpedoes hit just after the BB had killed me though so did not get double strike but did get die hard and flesh wound in a winning battle 

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5 hours ago, wanninger17 said:

Sorry, but this is not very helpful and even misleading in some important points.

 

Some examples:

- Sims has great DPM, but with the typical US-arcs, so you won't hit a lot at 10km+

- Sims not only has 5.5km Torps but also can equip 9.2km torps with very poor speed and dmg

- Out of these four, Sims is the only one abled to use def. AA (even without losing gun-DPM like Mahan, Benson,...)

- Z-39 is the only T7-DD with a T8-Upgrade-Slot, so you might want to equip Concealment Modification, giving her (way) better Concealment then the other three

- Z-39 has the problem of her guns being "too big" so AFT+BFT won't have any effect on your mainguns

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I have forgot to mention these stats are without camo or equipment upgrades. You're right about the 9.2km range torpedoes, i forgot to mention them. Sorry for the miscommunication:Smile_amazed:

 

5 hours ago, Sams_Baneblade said:

Nice job. :) However,  I'd like to add a few corrections/complements to your work:

Gun range:
-Z-39 cannot benefit of AFT, so this range cannot be extended.
-The Sims has the best gun rango on paper, but the shell arcs are so horrible trying engaging targets beyond 10k is practically useless, just as adding AFT for gunnery purpose. At least, it can lo shells above islands.
With AFT and their good ballistics, the Blyska and Leningrad win by far (13.87 and 14.4km respectively).

Rounds per minute:
You should add to the calculation the number of mounts able to fire. The Sims fires faster, but only has 4 guns, while the Leningrad has 5 and the Blyska 7. Sio in the end, the Sims is still fist (72 RPM), seconded by he Blyska (65RPM), Leningrad being in third position (60 RPM)
Moreover, the Z-39 cannot boost its ROF with BFT, it's still last.

Torpedo damage:
The Sims has access to a second set of torpedoes with a 9.2km range, but anemic damage and low speed.

Concealment:
The Z-39 has access to the Concealment Module, which allows it to win hands down here when coupled with Concealment Expert.

AA:
The Sims is far better in the matter than the Z-39. Simply because:
-It is very likely to have BFT, which also boosts AA by 20%
-Most of its DPS lies in its DP mounts, which have a 5km base range. The Z-39 has 3.5km.
-Access to DFAA consumable, which boosts the damage output by 4.
So with its DP mounts alone, a Sims with DFAA and BFT can throw 201.6 AA DPS at 5km. 6km if you put the AA module on it.

 

MISC:
The Sims has a superb XP income modifier, which allows not to easily reach the top of the XP panel (useful in Ranked).
The Z-39 has Tier 8 fire resistance.

Thanks for these corrections. I will edit it and watch out for these mistakes in the future.

 

6 hours ago, rvfharrier said:

 

You know you can make a poll right? :p. I don't know if you can edit one into the thread now it's been made though, have a try.

 

At any rate, I haven't played the Z-39 but the other three are all brilliant ships and any one of them could get my vote. Will have to give it to the Sims though because of its crazy XP multiplier.

Oh, didn't know that..

Anyway, where's the option? Can't find it:Smile-_tongue:

 

 

So, i made some mistakes and fixed them (i hope). Note that equipment changes stats, but are not worked into the stats. If there are more mistakes, do not hesitate to correct me.

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2 hours ago, jensdecoolegast said:

So, i made some mistakes and fixed them (i hope). Note that equipment changes stats, but are not worked into the stats. If there are more mistakes, do not hesitate to correct me.

Please, don't use huge letters in your posts... If you have, for some reasons (small monitor with high resolution or something) problems reading the small letters, use the in-browser tools for zooming in. It's really hard to read your posts when they use huge letters for no good reason...

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42 minutes ago, eliastion said:

Please, don't use huge letters in your posts... If you have, for some reasons (small monitor with high resolution or something) problems reading the small letters, use the in-browser tools for zooming in. It's really hard to read your posts when they use huge letters for no good reason...

Sorry, i will keep that in mind :Smile_teethhappy:

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You know what, im gonna give the sims fans here the insane XP thingy: that is a crazy advantage. 

 

But personally i just dont like its playstyle, plus i got the fletcher (with perma) and gearing already, which i consider to be a lot more fun

 

Im curious to the Z39 though (especially due to tier 8 characteristics) , while i already have & love the leningrad. 

The Blyska is an absolute no-go for me, since its a single-ship-nation and i dont buy that stuff then. 

 

Im gonna see if the Z39 shows up in the summer sales for sure

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tl;dr - Leningrad

 

Sims:

Extremely nimble, great AA for a DD and give a lot of XP.

Torpedoes are usable in many situations although they aren't very effective.

 

Z-39:

Huge HP pool, hydro and fast reloading torpedoes.

Guns are weak compared to most other DDs, gets you spotted out to 3.3km in smoke and doesn't get benefits from AFT and BFT.

 

Leningrad:

Insane speed, great guns with great velocity and damage.

Average torpedoes and not too stellar concealment.

 

Błyskawica:

Lots of guns with decent stats and high max speed.

Torpedoes are barely okay and concealment is meh.

 

Conclusion:

Sims and Z-39 are good but more specialized. Sims being the agile cap pusher/contester and Z-39 being the "play the long game" support and torp ship.

Leningrad and Błyskawica are both similar in strengths and weaknesses, but it's tough to find anything that the Leningrad doesn't do better. You can play the Lenin as a lower tier Khaba blasting around at max speed peppering targets at long range and dodging incoming fire, or you can use your great guns and decent torps to push caps and being able to choose your engagements using your speed.

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Sims and great torpedoes!?

 

BWAHAHAHAHA

 

Naw mate, those torps are barely servicable at best. 5,5km ones are decently fast, but short range and comparatively little damage makes them difficult to use and unless you hit a lot of them it won't hurt that hard. And the longrange ones are just straight-up garbage ... horribly slow and even worse damage.

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