wot_chikor Players 475 posts 15,094 battles Report post #1 Posted June 9, 2018 Hi WG , this thread is for you . today i want to complain about this piece of junk ship called the Des moins .normaly i wouldn't rant about it since i don't play it . but when you made the silly conditions in Halsey compaign for some important tasks to be only doable in tier9/10 US cruisers ie Des moins ( and Bufalao ) , then i WILL complain . and before anyone start commenting and telling me how great this ship is , please hold your horses ; i know the ship can be good i had great games in it , but it has so many weakness taht made it unplayble for me . 1- the bad guns , yes the bad guns ; very bad shell speed and arcs with average DPM ; since you use only your 2 front turrets , you shoot 12 shots in 11 s . zao can do better hindenburg can do better , henri can do better an all with better shells peed and fire chance . 2- witch is my main problem , the armor , i am SICK of eating citadel from the front in this stupid ship , its so bad and frustratong and un-fun and its the main reason why i write this topic , i am so sick and done with this ship's armor . its just an HP food for all BBs they instantly turn thier guns when you are spotted and take 50% of your hp with their first hits . the only time when this ship worked for me is when i get smoked or when i am behind an island and enemy BBs push my flank , and guess how often BBs push anything these days . 24 2 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHEN] Podalire Players 1,437 posts 15,785 battles Report post #2 Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, wot_chikor said: average DPM Really ? Des Moines HE dpm (3 turrets with range upgrade) = 274.932 Des Moines HE dpm (2 turrets with range upgrade) = 183.288 Zao HE dpm (4 turrets with range upgrade) = 178.704 Hindenburg HE dpm (4 turrets, range upgrade and 11s base reload) = 163.636 Bad dpm indeed ... 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DK-CP] NothingButTheRain Players 6,338 posts 13,623 battles Report post #3 Posted June 9, 2018 Des Moines is a terrible ship! Lets give it radar! 1 29 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #4 Posted June 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, wot_chikor said: Hi WG , this thread is for you . today i want to complain about this piece of junk ship called the Des moins .normaly i wouldn't rant about it since i don't play it . but when you made the silly conditions in Halsey compaign for some important tasks to be only doable in tier9/10 US cruisers ie Des moins ( and Bufalao ) , then i WILL complain . and before anyone start commenting and telling me how great this ship is , please hold your horses ; i know the ship can be good i had great games in it , but it has so many weakness taht made it unplayble for me . 1- the bad guns , yes the bad guns ; very bad shell speed and arcs with average DPM ; since you use only your 2 front turrets , you shoot 12 shots in 11 s . zao can do better hindenburg can do better , henri can do better an all with better shells peed and fire chance . 2- witch is my main problem , the armor , i am SICK of eating citadel from the front in this stupid ship , its so bad and frustratong and un-fun and its the main reason why i write this topic , i am so sick and done with this ship's armor . its just an HP food for all BBs they instantly turn thier guns when you are spotted and take 50% of your hp with their first hits . the only time when this ship worked for me is when i get smoked or when i am behind an island and enemy BBs push my flank , and guess how often BBs push anything these days . DM is strongest ship in game....pls pls pls go away, through topics we are telling you that you are just bad player, but you dont give up...damn stubborn fool.....pls try some other game 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wot_chikor Players 475 posts 15,094 battles Report post #5 Posted June 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Podalire said: Really ? as i said if you don't want to die in 1 min with this ship you shoot with 2 turrets meaning 6 shots every 5.5 s meaning 12 shots every 11 s with hindenburg for example you shoot with 4 turrets ie 12 shots every 9s zao with her hardest hitting HE among cruisers same thing shoots with 4 turrets ie 12 shots every 11 s they are BOTH better than Des moins with better shell speed and fire chance . 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #6 Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, wot_chikor said: as i said if you don't want to die in 1 min with this ship you shoot with 2 turrets meaning 6 shots every 5.5 s meaning 12 shots every 11 s with hindenburg for example you shoot with 4 turrets ie 12 shots every 9s zao with her hardest hitting HE among cruisers same thing shoots with 4 turrets ie 12 shots every 11 s they are BOTH better than Des moins with better shell speed and fire chance . LTP maybe? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,239 posts Report post #7 Posted June 9, 2018 Well now...this is some next level LTP issue 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Mr_Tayto Players 1,099 posts 10,119 battles Report post #8 Posted June 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, wot_chikor said: today i want to complain about this piece of junk ship called the Des moins 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 11,888 posts 13,178 battles Report post #9 Posted June 9, 2018 Except DM has 2nd best firing angles among all T10 cruisers, so in theory you can still shrug off shells while making use of 3rd turret. Zao and Hinden are considerably worse in that regard, so if you die fast in DM, you will die ecen faster in Zao. Hinden to an extent can withstand BB shells due to turtleback. So I call user error than ship issue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NEXT] ColonelPete Players 34,775 posts 17,408 battles Report post #10 Posted June 9, 2018 Average DPM? Are you for real? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 9,801 battles Report post #11 Posted June 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, wot_chikor said: as i said if you don't want to die in 1 min with this ship you shoot with 2 turrets meaning 6 shots every 5.5 s meaning 12 shots every 11 s with hindenburg for example you shoot with 4 turrets ie 12 shots every 9s zao with her hardest hitting HE among cruisers same thing shoots with 4 turrets ie 12 shots every 11 s they are BOTH better than Des moins with better shell speed and fire chance . So, we are comparing the dpm of a Des Moines that uses only two turrets, because it might eat citadels if it uses all three and shows broadside to its same tier competition, but on the assumption they use all their turrets, because surely broadside Zao and broadside Hindenburg won't get deleted for not angling. Sound logic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 11,888 posts 13,178 battles Report post #12 Posted June 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Riselotte said: So, we are comparing the dpm of a Des Moines that uses only two turrets, because it might eat citadels if it uses all three and shows broadside to its same tier competition, but on the assumption they use all their turrets, because surely broadside Zao and broadside Hindenburg won't get deleted for not angling. Sound logic... Shh, logic might neuter his rage moments and this is internet, calm and sound won't get you anywhere Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 2,932 posts 11,390 battles Report post #13 Posted June 9, 2018 1 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wot_chikor Players 475 posts 15,094 battles Report post #14 Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, Riselotte said: So, we are comparing the dpm of a Des Moines that uses only two turrets, because it might eat citadels if it uses all three and shows broadside to its same tier competition, but on the assumption they use all their turrets, because surely broadside Zao and broadside Hindenburg won't get deleted for not angling. Sound logic... how often you shoot with 2 turrets in Des moins un a battle , i'd SAY 80% of the battle . how often you shoot with 4 turrets in zao or hindenburg , i'd say 80% of the battle , so my argument holds ... and remember , with mush better HE , shell speed , and fire chance . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wot_chikor Players 475 posts 15,094 battles Report post #15 Posted June 9, 2018 and btw , for the trolls , i will ignore you , i won't bother myself 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #16 Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, wot_chikor said: how often you shoot with 2 turrets in Des moins un a battle , i'd SAY 80% of the battle . how often you shoot with 4 turrets in zao or hindenburg , i'd say 80% of the battle , so my argument holds ... and remember , with mush better HE , shell speed , and fire chance . ahahahah argument...dear god....i smell FARMWILLE player 1 minute ago, wot_chikor said: and btw , for the trolls , i will ignore you , i won't bother myself you will preform auto censure :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] tank276 [NWP] Players 891 posts 8,734 battles Report post #17 Posted June 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, wot_chikor said: and btw , for the trolls , i will ignore you , i won't bother myself 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral_Noif Weekend Tester 873 posts 6,620 battles Report post #18 Posted June 9, 2018 I just hate to see Des Moines in the battles when you in team lines: ... Des moines, Des moines, Des moines ... Hopefully they get nerfed cuz they are annoying radar ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #19 Posted June 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, wot_chikor said: and btw , for the trolls , i will ignore you It's not possible to ignore yourself. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HMSR] Major_Damage225 Beta Tester 2,875 posts 7,295 battles Report post #20 Posted June 9, 2018 Yes DM is verry weak indeed, needs a buff to it's reload, 1 km extra radar range and 4x4 torpedo launchers of fletcher torps for self defence 1 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,036 battles Report post #21 Posted June 9, 2018 PEBCAK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] loppantorkel Players 4,506 posts 15,942 battles Report post #22 Posted June 9, 2018 Maybe the ship just doesn't suit you. Bring back stats to support your claim that it under performs, please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NMA] wilkatis_LV [NMA] Players 5,061 posts 9,030 battles Report post #23 Posted June 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, wot_chikor said: as i said if you don't want to die in 1 min with this ship you shoot with 2 turrets meaning 6 shots every 5.5 s meaning 12 shots every 11 s with hindenburg for example you shoot with 4 turrets ie 12 shots every 9s zao with her hardest hitting HE among cruisers same thing shoots with 4 turrets ie 12 shots every 11 s Can you at least learn to read? It's clearly said: 1 hour ago, Podalire said: Des Moines HE dpm (2 turrets with range upgrade) = 183.288 Zao HE dpm (4 turrets with range upgrade) = 178.704 Hindenburg HE dpm (4 turrets, range upgrade and 11s base reload) = 163.636 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #24 Posted June 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, loppantorkel said: Maybe the ship just doesn't suit you. Bring back stats to support your claim that it under performs, please. why do you think potatoes care about stats?....they KNOW it is bad....oh wait..first in WR... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,761 posts 15,381 battles Report post #25 Posted June 9, 2018 Desmo is basically the Yamato of heavy cruisers, except she doesn't resemble a bloated elephant 1 hour ago, wot_chikor said: 1- very bad shell speed and arcs And you notice that at tier 10? Sorry, cannot make that statement any funnier. Quote average DPM it's over 9000, what more do you want? Quote 2- witch is my main problem Quote i am so sick and done with this ship's armor Use islands as armor, hug 'em like your weeb wife pillow (this is a thing, google it)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites