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I love playing aa-builds on my cruisers but it gets more and more useless every day. Nearly noone plays cv anymore, maybe 1-2 out of 10 games you see a cv and mostly they are 2 tier lower than anyone else. CV should be changed or removed from the game, together with all anti-air aspects

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18 minutes ago, _Ghostship_ said:

I love playing aa-builds on my cruisers but it gets more and more useless every day. Nearly noone plays cv anymore, maybe 1-2 out of 10 games you see a cv and mostly they are 2 tier lower than anyone else. CV should be changed or removed from the game, together with all anti-air aspects

You might not have heard, but cv gameplay is under going a major rework

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I like to think of AA builds like an insurance policy. A lot of the time I could probably get away without it and benefit from investing the skill points and build elsewhere, but the cost of not having an AA build when you really need it is far greater than the minor annoyance of having one when you don't need it!

 

 

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Just spec partially into AA. For most cruisers DFAA + AFT + AA range upgrade is more than enough to deny air strikes. Slap BFT on if you really hate CVs or are playing RN CLs.

Anything beyond that is usually overkill in randoms.

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I'm actually glad to that since 0.7.5 hit live the amount of carriers has dropped off to only Maybe 1 per side every 4 - 5 games or so. The less of those unbalanced pests, the better. Seriously, there is NO other ship type in the game that can influence a battle as much as a carrier can. I can't wait to see what WG decides to do with them… either rework them from the core or remove them completely. And I say that despite owning some carriers and actually having good old Langley as one of my most successful ships of all time.

 

On topic though, AA builds really ensure that if a cv is present you stand a fighting chance to repel it. And up until 0.7.5 at least I had a hard time getting matches without those big buggers. So carriers aren't the flavor of the month right now, especially with all those US cruisers around and more of them coming? Good thing. But I keep my AA builds anyway. No reason to get dramatic.

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30 minutes ago, Varian_Dorn said:

I'm actually glad to that since 0.7.5 hit live the amount of carriers has dropped off to only Maybe 1 per side every 4 - 5 games or so.

 

I mean...

That's...

Actually an increase in the number of CVs?

Unless you mean in low tier. At which point no one really cares anymore because low tier CV play is :etc_swear: anyway.

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58 minutes ago, zengaze said:

You might not have heard, but cv gameplay is under going a major rework

Yes I have heard this 2 years ago, but it dont look like they are really woking on it

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3 minutes ago, _Ghostship_ said:

it dont look like they are really woking on it

 

This statement would've been true a couple months ago.

However recently Community Contributors got to play the current prototype for the CV rework, so rest assured that they're actually working on it now.

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1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

 

This statement would've been true a couple months ago.

However recently Community Contributors got to play the current prototype for the CV rework, so rest assured that they're actually working on it now.

And you saw it first with uncle Jingles :

 

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4 hours ago, rvfharrier said:

I like to think of AA builds like an insurance policy. A lot of the time I could probably get away without it and benefit from investing the skill points and build elsewhere, but the cost of not having an AA build when you really need it is far greater than the minor annoyance of having one when you don't need it!

 

 

So an  AA-Build is the same as a condom?

I like to think of condoms like an insurance policy. A lot of the time I could probably get away without it and benefit from investing the skill points and build elsewhere, but the cost of not having a condom when you really need it is far greater than the minor annoyance of having one when you don't need it!

 

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4 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Just spec partially into AA. For most cruisers DFAA + AFT + AA range upgrade is more than enough to deny air strikes. Slap BFT on if you really hate CVs or are playing RN CLs.

Anything beyond that is usually overkill in randoms.

 

I use Manual AA on some captains, usually on the ship lines where I have 2 captains for (and that actually benefit from it).

e.g. RN CLs, KM BBs, KM CAs, and Cleveland/Atlanta/Kidd 

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On my Zao the simple use of def aa and is enough to make a carriers life miserable. On he full aa spec Missouri. ... it's a joke. Anything that manages to get a torp in the water won't make it back anyway. 40 plane kills are quite possible. Oh and you can counter dds with the radar as well. 

 

The overabundance of aa on bbs, combined with the trend to weird armor schemes (got I hate Republiques) and lowered citadels are the single greatest problem to the game. 

 

Cvs are powerful if you allow them to be, but most of the time those poor souls playing those actually struggle a lot. 

 

Not every cv player is Farazelleth, and not every cruiser main plays on Flamus level. You just don't see joe average on YouTube. 

 

I don't see WG actually successfully implementing what they have in mind. Single squad control will further escalate the skill gap between players and will necessitate a complete rework of aa. And I don't even want to imagine the rage from Saipan, Enterprise, Kaga, and GZ owners.

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The funny thing is I've been seeing a lot more CVs these last couple weeks (so well before the current campaign hit), on all tiers. It was quite annoying actually when I was playing my DDs as I almost always landed in a game with a CV.

 

And as annoying as it is when I'm in a DD, more CVs in the game is a good thing imho ... when they know what they're doing that is.

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5 hours ago, _Ghostship_ said:

I love playing aa-builds on my cruisers but it gets more and more useless every day. Nearly noone plays cv anymore, maybe 1-2 out of 10 games you see a cv and mostly they are 2 tier lower than anyone else. CV should be changed or removed from the game, together with all anti-air aspects

and you ask why nobody plays CV.....well becasue of peoples like you who constantly blabing about how cv is OP, otr there is no cv, or strafing is to hard, or i can go solo yolo if cv is in game.

 

dont spec AAA or team with player who plays cv and you wwill have CV in every game...

 

just

 

for

 

the 

 

love 

 

of 

 

god

 

 

dont write on forum about CV

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5 hours ago, zengaze said:

You might not have heard, but cv gameplay is under going a major rework

that will probably just create even less player base of CV and OP wants them more in game....so revork is not something peoples should rejoice if they wont CV as part of this game

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25 minutes ago, dCK_Ad_Hominem said:

On my Zao the simple use of def aa and is enough to make a carriers life miserable. On he full aa spec Missouri. ... it's a joke. Anything that manages to get a torp in the water won't make it back anyway. 40 plane kills are quite possible. Oh and you can counter dds with the radar as well. 

 

The overabundance of aa on bbs, combined with the trend to weird armor schemes (got I hate Republiques) and lowered citadels are the single greatest problem to the game. 

 

Cvs are powerful if you allow them to be, but most of the time those poor souls playing those actually struggle a lot. 

 

Not every cv player is Farazelleth, and not every cruiser main plays on Flamus level. You just don't see joe average on YouTube. 

 

I don't see WG actually successfully implementing what they have in mind. Single squad control will further escalate the skill gap between players and will necessitate a complete rework of aa. And I don't even want to imagine the rage from Saipan, Enterprise, Kaga, and GZ owners.

did you try playing t8 cv right now with 4 clevlands per side.....so poweerfull...so OP class.....15 minutes finding hole in "i win" button that light USA have with radar....so stronk cv....eaven 33% WR tomatos shuts you dowon totaly.

 

WG will kill CV with rework...i am 100% sure

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3 minutes ago, 15JG52Adler said:

did you try playing t8 cv right now with 4 clevlands per side.....so poweerfull...so OP class.....15 minutes finding hole in "i win" button that light USA have with radar....so stronk cv....eaven 33% WR tomatos shuts you dowon totaly.

 

WG will kill CV with rework...i am 100% sure

I haven't bought the Shokaku yet and will refrain from doing so until I can see in which direction wg is going with them. You also seem to be misunderstanding me or simply quoting the wrong person as I never called them op, but simply said a cv is only as powerful as you allow it to be (by going solo in a Kagero for example).

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1 minute ago, dCK_Ad_Hominem said:

I haven't bought the Shokaku yet and will refrain from doing so until I can see in which direction wg is going with them. You also seem to be misunderstanding me or simply quoting the wrong person as I never called them op, but simply said a cv is only as powerful as you allow it to be (by going solo in a Kagero for example).

i quoted you for this part as extension of your post with which i totally agree (so my post was not direct replica to yours)

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5 hours ago, _Kettenbeisser said:

That's the perfect example to showcase that not cvs are broken but AA is.

If many people run AA builds on their ships cvs get neutered to the point where nobody plays them. If dropping cv numbers make many players change to non AA builds, their ability to do damage goes up through the roof. That's what Cv players preach since longrange AA change, but wg refuses to listen and blames rts playstyle, while introducing AA-Monster after Monster. @MrConway

Also the inability of the braindead main playerbase to cope in any way with cvs due to  refusal to have map awareness, teamwork and wasd hacks UNLESS you give them insane lvls of  AA that negate the need of escort cruisers and a brain to shoot planes gave them another excuse.

CVs aren't broken AA is. 

 

Give this man a cookie!
Couldn't said it better myself.

 

6 hours ago, _Ghostship_ said:

I love playing aa-builds on my cruisers but it gets more and more useless every day. Nearly noone plays cv anymore, maybe 1-2 out of 10 games you see a cv and mostly they are 2 tier lower than anyone else. CV should be changed or removed from the game, together with all anti-air aspects


I agree that nobody should play with AA spec anymore.
That way I can pad my stats in CVs even more, and people could cry "OP NERF PLS!!" even more.

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5 hours ago, _Kettenbeisser said:

That's the perfect example to showcase that not cvs are broken but AA is.

If many people run AA builds on their ships cvs get neutered to the point where nobody plays them. If dropping cv numbers make many players change to non AA builds, their ability to do damage goes up through the roof.

THIS. So much this.

Most AA skills should be just removed, the rest should be nerfed and - to compensate - the AA characteristics should be balanced around what remains.

AA monsters should retain powerful AA even with no AA-speccing whatsoever (but, on the other hand, even with full AA build they shouldn't be denying half of the map completely).

Weak AA ships should remain relatively vulnerable no matter what (the build might cover their weaknesses a little bit, but that's that).

 

Current AA just can't possibly be balanced because so much of its potential depends on optional skills and upgrades. For AA balancing to be a thing, we need a system where the AA build gives you an edge (compared to lack of the AA build) instead of resulting in a ship with incomparably more potent AA.

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7 hours ago, _Ghostship_ said:

I love playing aa-builds on my cruisers but it gets more and more useless every day. Nearly noone plays cv anymore, maybe 1-2 out of 10 games you see a cv and mostly they are 2 tier lower than anyone else. CV should be changed or removed from the game, together with all anti-air aspects

They worked just fine for me.

 

The only Thing that is Kind of a isue is that since RN one BB HE Shell demolish 50% plus of your AA for good.......more a meta Problem then a AA problem...

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Just got my first ever AA Defence Expert award in an non particularly AA specced Zao.

48 planes down.

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It depends on the tier. High tiers, you could make that argument. t4-7, no way. Not only are there more CVs, but you can get twice as many in a match. That said, I'm still not comfortable taking Spotter instead of Def AA on my Kron. It's a ''better safe than sorry'' situation. I can just picture seeing some AP-bomb Midway seeing the spotter and rubbing his hands in glee. Come to think of it though, in 15 matches I think I only used DFAA once or twice.

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