Remove Straffing?

[hollowbaron]

It's a suggestion, not a demand, since I don't even play the enterprise or saipan sitting in my harbour as I am a liability to my team when facing someone who can strafe.

 

I understand manual fish and bomb drop, but last time I lost a battle while in a saipan against equal tier benjamin or bennito whatever it was called, becuase I lost in straffing to him.

 

I understand for skilled cv players my opinion is worthless, but really im not trying to change the game for them. Its more about journeyman level cv players like me who get screwed up by experienced cv players who can strafe perfectly.

 

For me strafing is alien to what should be a mostly strategic role where you have to think about what to scout and what to hit. Not how fast you can point and click while moving aircraft back and forth like its command and conquer or something.

 

My view is that cv play should be like a chess game, not a point and click nano spam like it is with strafing.

 

Also while I dont take enterprise or saipan into battle I dont blame those who do, despite not having the point and click skills for straffing.

 

I think requirement for cv player to actually enter a battle should be about how well he can support his team and sink ships not about point and click straffing.

 

I think removing straffing would balance things out in randoms, since super unicorn cv players will not be able to destroy a journeyman level cv players quickly and it would be more a war of attrition the way it should be I guess.

 

Then no one will complain about retard cv players vs super unicorns as will be relatively balanced.

[El2aZeR]

Before strafing fighters were completely, utterly worthless.

Literally worthless.

Strafing was added to make fighters actually do something.

 

Also strafing is not APM intensive (and neither is CV play in general). You literally only need to click once to strafe while holding down the alt key. If you think strafing is difficult then boy do I have bad news for you, especially considering manual drop is harder in terms of skill (albeit marginally).

AND it's so easily countered (by, you know, just moving out of the way) that I honestly question how people can get absolutely destroyed even when they know what strafing is. But then I remember that the average player struggles to even WASD and suddenly I'm not surprised anymore.

[pra3y]

Strafing is part of the chess game. You do realize that strafing has its own strategic use beyond just shooting down planes right? WG has already removed strafing at tier 4 and 5, along with manual attack for CVs to benefit new players. You're aren't exactly a journeyman level CV player at tier 7. There has to be progression. Sure you won't be a super unicrum but you should have moderate knowledge of how CV gameplay works.

[Boris_MNE]

You cant strafe...and from what I see you dont want to learn as well... 

 

 

My proposal, sell cv.

 

 

Cheers

[Drazhare]

Strafing, as all manual attacks in CV takes some practice. It took me about 150 games in CV to learn to strafe and manual drop effectively. It's just as easy or hard as learning how to play a torpedo DD: it takes time and effort to learn how to predict enemy movements, travel times, damage, etc.

[AndyTheCupid]

The only time I feel strafing should be disabled is when there is a double CV MM with a T5 & T6. The T5 CV is literally powerless in the face of a T6 that can strafe/exit strafe, with this MM the T6 CV should have his Alt key disabled.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

5 minutes ago, Andy_the_Cupid_Stunt said:

The only time I feel strafing should be disabled is when there is a double CV MM with a T5 & T6. The T5 CV is literally powerless in the face of a T6 that can strafe/exit strafe, with this MM the T6 CV should have his Alt key disabled.

Mixing t5 and t6 CV is a nono because of "the anti club cv" fix. Dont know why they havent "protected" that already.

only if its supposed to be some sick "tutorial / soft introduction" stuff ... in which case its bad.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

58 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said:

You cant strafe...and from what I see you dont want to learn as well... 

 

 

My proposal, sell cv.

 

 

Cheers

best answer in this topic , totally agree )

[bushwacker001]

2 hours ago, hollowbaron said:

Whine

Get into co-op and learn, it's not rocket science.

 

I recently started playing CV and on getting to T6 have just played in co-op to practise strafing before I risk randoms. 

[ghostbuster_]

3 hours ago, hollowbaron said:

It's a suggestion, not a demand, since I don't even play the enterprise or saipan sitting in my harbour as I am a liability to my team when facing someone who can strafe.

 

I understand manual fish and bomb drop, but last time I lost a battle while in a saipan against equal tier benjamin or bennito whatever it was called, becuase I lost in straffing to him.

 

I understand for skilled cv players my opinion is worthless, but really im not trying to change the game for them. Its more about journeyman level cv players like me who get screwed up by experienced cv players who can strafe perfectly.

 

For me strafing is alien to what should be a mostly strategic role where you have to think about what to scout and what to hit. Not how fast you can point and click while moving aircraft back and forth like its command and conquer or something.

 

My view is that cv play should be like a chess game, not a point and click nano spam like it is with strafing.

 

Also while I dont take enterprise or saipan into battle I dont blame those who do, despite not having the point and click skills for straffing.

 

I think requirement for cv player to actually enter a battle should be about how well he can support his team and sink ships not about point and click straffing.

 

I think removing straffing would balance things out in randoms, since super unicorn cv players will not be able to destroy a journeyman level cv players quickly and it would be more a war of attrition the way it should be I guess.

 

Then no one will complain about retard cv players vs super unicorns as will be relatively balanced.

how about no

[Flavio1997]

3 hours ago, hollowbaron said:

 

I think removing straffing would balance things out in randoms, since super unicorn cv players will not be able to destroy a journeyman level cv players quickly and it would be more a war of attrition the way it should be I guess.

2

Where is the problem that if a better player engages you, he wins? Is calling rewarding the skill, and the real problem is that this game doesn't reward it enough.

Trust me, without strafing,  fighters are useless

[RenamedUser_92906789]

1 hour ago, bushwacker001 said:

Get into co-op and learn, it's not rocket science.

 

I recently started playing CV and on getting to T6 have just played in co-op to practise strafing before I risk randoms. 

Careful ... you might get stuck in coop forever like me ...

[ColdWarFish]

Vor 3 Stunden, El2aZeR sagte:

AND it's so easily countered (by, you know, just moving out of the way) that I honestly question how people can get absolutely destroyed even when they know what strafing is.

If the UI wouldn't give me so much trouble sometimes (position of fighter symbols, groups not reacting to commands, etc.) and some tricks (counter-strafing) would actually be explained in game, I would completely agree.

As it is now, CV play might not be incredibly APM dependent, but if you just go by the info that is available in game I can see how one can get completely wrecked by someone who has done some research on external sources.

 

But hey, I only got <200 CV games under my belt.

Maybe experience alone will solve some of the problems I am having with the UI just by being more used to it and therefore knowing what to expect.

[T0byJug]

1 hour ago, xXx_Blogis_xXx said:

best answer in this topic , totally agree )

Paaa you probably the CV commander the Original poster is complaining  about you seal clubbing CV playing  Scrub

[Torped1ne]

Think what t 10-9 cv could do if they will not have to worry about strafe it will be a kraken in every damn battle for both cv ,with the other ships unable to do anything relevant

[bushwacker001]

1 hour ago, nambr9 said:

Careful ... you might get stuck in coop forever like me ...

  tbh honest I don't really enjoy CV playing that much but did it for a change as my division mate has started playing them also. We alternate on DD/CV pairings....bloody good fun when I am the DD and his planes are at my service.

[Juanx]

As with the japanese torpedo boats, why dont you try and learn to use them instead of asking for nerfs?

 

TL:DR:  Learn to play.

[walter3kurtz]

4 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Before strafing fighters were completely, utterly worthless.

Literally worthless.

Strafing was added to make fighters actually do something.

 

Also strafing is not APM intensive (and neither is CV play in general). You literally only need to click once to strafe while holding down the alt key. If you think strafing is difficult then boy do I have bad news for you, especially considering manual drop is harder in terms of skill (albeit marginally).

AND it's so easily countered (by, you know, just moving out of the way) that I honestly question how people can get absolutely destroyed even when they know what strafing is. But then I remember that the average player struggles to even WASD and suddenly I'm not surprised anymore.

 

This is all true of course, but the reason why people feel playing CV is APM intensive is because you have to keep track of many squads. For me the biggest issue with this is not that I have to be aware of everything, that;s a matter of keeping mental notes of map positions, it's having to zoom out to map view to be able to "see". It takes multiple actions and maybe seconds before I'm on the scene.

[aboomination]

4 hours ago, Boris_MNE said:

My proposal, sell cv.

Or pause and wait for the rework.

Spoiler

 

6 hours ago, hollowbaron said:

Its more about journeyman level cv players like me who get screwed

NO, it's about the teams that get screwed by CV lottery.

[th3freakie]

10 hours ago, hollowbaron said:

I think removing straffing would balance things out in randoms, since super unicorn cv players will not be able to destroy a journeyman level cv players quickly and it would be more a war of attrition the way it should be I guess.

 

Then no one will complain about retard cv players vs super unicorns as will be relatively balanced.

Removing manual abilities would go a long way towards fixing CVs. I've been saying it for 2 years.

[th3freakie]

4 hours ago, walter3kurtz said:

 

This is all true of course, but the reason why people feel playing CV is APM intensive is because you have to keep track of many squads. For me the biggest issue with this is not that I have to be aware of everything, that;s a matter of keeping mental notes of map positions, it's having to zoom out to map view to be able to "see". It takes multiple actions and maybe seconds before I'm on the scene.

It's not either or. CV is broken both because it is APM intensive and the UI is borked from the start.

 

But they've never even tried to fix the UI and they just added more utility to high APM (like strafing). Taking steps to fix either of them would be good.

[wilkatis_LV]

11 hours ago, hollowbaron said:

I'm literally so bad I can't hold Alt key on my keyboard while at the same time using my mouse to aim and then clicking LMB to "fire" that strafe.

 

Please bring everyone down to my trash level, remove the strafing from everyone!

How about no. Either learn to play CVs properly or simply stop playing them at all

[CptBarney]

Just keep practising i found it a chore when i first got my tier 6 cv (steam account) and i found it difficult to utilise it properly. Just keep getting the hang of it and you should be fine.

 

im still struggling to manual drop but thats all due in time.

 

im curious to know how they will change aircraft carriers though.

[peoplescavalry]

Don’t worry it’s all going anyway. Bye bye.

[th3freakie]

"You can suck less at it if you practice" is not the same as saying a system works or is well designed, you lads understand this, yes?