Conqs heal and Republics armour

[Corvi]

Republique has bad armor ? I think you havent played it yet, that thing is tough as nails. You can easily solo any other BB and dont have to worry about much dmg since your baguette spaced armor eats up all the penetrations for 0 dmg

[Oderisson]

14 ore fa, AnotherDuck ha scritto:

Not counting exposed citadel is bullcrap when most of the others have protected citadels, whether by turtleback or sunken down. Yes, armour is good frontally, but that assumes you don't get flanked or overrun. Which is not an assumption you can make in average gameplay.

I play Yamato often and very rarely take citadel damage. Only exception is when I am brawling other Yamato at close range, but You know... Not much I can do about that.

 

People have a problem with citadel, but one simply has to not show broadside. Today I slammed Yamato for 60k salvo in Republique. Would have been more but that was all he got XD.

 

One has to play Yamato to its strengths and mind weaknesses. What Are Yamato strenghts? Range and accuracy. What are weaknesses? Exposed citadel and basically fixed guns. Solution? Stay at comfortable range and mind minimap. People will shot at You but at range with decent deck armor You can take a lot. I know many people think of battleships as brawlers and are like: "oh, You have a lot of HP, so You have to take damage for me, so go in front" but its not true.

 

13 ore fa, Corvi ha scritto:

Republique has bad armor ? I think you havent played it yet, that thing is tough as nails. You can easily solo any other BB and dont have to worry about much dmg since your baguette spaced armor eats up all the penetrations for 0 dmg

Yeah mine also takes pens for 0 Damage. Unfortunately there appears to be usually 4 other non zero digits before this "0", so its quite a problem. Jokes aside republique is paper. I have no idea at what range one must play for it to bounce anything.

 

[Affeks]

Poor Frenchies... First they get the by far worst tier 10 Cruiser and now they have the by far worst tier 10 BB imo. 

 

Both are ships that are bad, but balanced enough to not recieve buffs. Both ships are half assed fantasy ships with no real historical or realistic backthough to the design or detail.

 

Im just really salty after two back to back tier 10 garbage dumps for the Frenchies with no real fix in sight for either.

[GulvkluderGuld]

9 hours ago, wilkatis_LV said:

True. Simply bcuz she doesn't have anything that could even be called armour at that tier.

Funny.

 

We must be playing different games. Your so called no armor Republique takes at most 1-2k dmg for 9 DesMO shells in lower belt, upper belt or superstructure from around 10 km range.

Yamato, Montana, Conq all take at least 5k.

 

[cro_pwr]

22 hours ago, Ze_Reckless said:

 You have to be very careful with your timing when you pull out .

 

Just use protection

 

 

OT: At least both of them can be reliably citadeled

[wilkatis_LV]

4 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Funny.

 

We must be playing different games. Your so called no armor Republique takes at most 1k dmg for 9 DesMO shells in lower belt, upper belt or superstructure from around 10 km range.

Yamato, Montana, Conq all take at least 5k.

 

 

Are you really that thick to shoot your CA HE at BBs main belt area?

 

I've posted other 4 t10 BBs previously, can't be bothered to find those pics right now (can maybe do it tomorrow if you want) but here's one for Republic:

 

 

Spaced armour is where you would shatter anyway, everywhere else is free HE dmg for 195mm + guns (150mm+ with IFHE) with /6 HE pen and 130mm+ guns with /4 HE pen

 

Republic has the exact same armour scheme as Conq has (with the only difference being spaced armour - you get 0 dmg pens instead of 0 dmg shatters) - in other words no armour.

[AnotherDuck]

50 minutes ago, Oderisson said:

One has to play Yamato to its strengths and mind weaknesses.

If you can discount weaknesses because you can just "play around" them, then you can add, "don't get hit" to that list to avoid damage. Things like torpedo belt is not a benefit at all, since you can just not get hit by torpedoes.

 

Yes, you can play to strengths and weaknesses. But that doesn't mean the cease existing.

[ghostbuster_]

14 ore fa, AnotherDuck ha scritto:

Not counting exposed citadel is bullcrap when most of the others have protected citadels, whether by turtleback or sunken down. Yes, armour is good frontally, but that assumes you don't get flanked or overrun. Which is not an assumption you can make in average gameplay.

Exposed citadel isnt bullcrap. Protected citadel is. Just saying.

 

21 ore fa, wilkatis_LV ha scritto:

 

I know. And there is a good reason why the Amagi got removed, and why I would never recommend anyone to get the Ashitaka.

 

Stock Monarch is so bad I'd take KGV over it in any match it gets. Fully upgraded? Half decent when top tier, still pathetically useless against 9s and 10s. But again - that's not the topic here

"Not as bad as stock amagi" stock monarch is much better than stock amagi...

 

Fully upgraded monarch is decent. Even against higher tier ships it can perform ok like any other tier 8 BB.

And you skipped the part of my post which was about the topic. 

[Exocet6951]

47 minutes ago, Affeks said:

Im just really salty after two back to back tier 10 garbage dumps for the Frenchies with no real fix in sight for either.

 

Easy fix for the branch: make an alternate T10 called Alsace (1950) or something.
It's just an identical Alsace, but replacing some 37mm AA with 57mm AA, making the guns have 28s base reload with a bit more accuracy, 10k more HP, and tada ! T10 material. 

 

Bonus points for it still being more historical and logical than the ingame Lyon.

[GulvkluderGuld]

1 hour ago, wilkatis_LV said:

 

Are you really that thick to shoot your CA HE at BBs main belt area?

 

Shooting AP at broadsides, not HE (please, why indeed would I do that unless angling for a perma-fire)

It seems to make a real difference to AP for some reason. Might try it in a training room some day.

[Toivia]

I have a feeling Wilkatis is alltogether ignoring AP shells in this thread. Yes indeed, French BBs are vulnerable to HE like the British. But so far, they do seem to be far better protected from AP shells.

 

Btw. I really loved "Paris" in space battles. Amazing accuracy and RoF made it fun. And yes, it tanked very nicely as well. Definitely far better than "Alldestroyer".

[lup3s]

Tbh the only thing I care about if BBs are able to be punished reliably if they show broadside. Atm only the Yamato and Republique I can reliably get multiple citadel hits when they show broadside, unlike the Montana, Conqueror or GK.

And yes, I did get some 2-3 citadel hit salvoes on broadside Montanas or CQs, but those are (in my experience) more an exception than the rule.

I would prefer them getting some armour buffs here and there, and have a more exposed citadel; so that good play(ers) get rewarded more and bad play(ers) get punished more consistently.

[Redcap375]

On 12/05/2018 at 8:27 PM, Chaos_Umbra said:

 has good AA

 

Monstrosity AA.  One went solo yesterday and sent 3 waves of torps planes in for damage (Tahio).  He killed every single one of them with 2 Torps going into the water, 1 hit 

The power of tier 10 AA on show.  He didn't even need a AA cruiser with him, just do it his self. 

[ghostbuster_]

6 minutes ago, lup3s said:

Tbh the only thing I care about if BBs are able to be punished reliably if they show broadside. Atm only the Yamato and Republique I can reliably get multiple citadel hits when they show broadside, unlike the Montana, Conqueror or GK.

And yes, I did get some 2-3 citadel hit salvoes on broadside Montanas or CQs, but those are (in my experience) more an exception than the rule.

I would prefer them getting some armour buffs here and there, and have a more exposed citadel; so that good play(ers) get rewarded more and bad play(ers) get punished more consistently.

They dont need any armor buffs at all. I agree about then getting exposed citadels tho. But hey, its probably not gonna happen because playerbase needs r.tardproof ships. Even with those they perform horribly bad 

[Dekkard1v]

to add, afaik the conqueror now can be citadelled easily apparently...if i believe the big youtubers.
so what good does your heal do you when every row boat can make you go 'pop'

[lup3s]

12 minutes ago, Rokko1v said:

to add, afaik the conqueror now can be citadelled easily apparently...if i believe the big youtubers.

Source ?

[Dekkard1v]

7 minutes ago, lup3s said:

Source ?

 

i tried to find out since,if this was an accident and if it has been fixed/undone.
no luck with that and i still wanna know

[BuccaneerBill]

Monarch is a very good ship, with 10.9km concealment and punchy guns you are useful at any tier. Don't understand the hate.

[lup3s]

5 minutes ago, Rokko1v said:

 

i tried to find out since,if this was an accident and if it has been fixed/undone.
no luck with that and i still wanna know

 

Afaik this was an unintended "bug" (I actually saw it as a fix but w/e).

 

WG rushed to remove / fix this asap, as we can't have BBs being vulnerable to anything. 

[Dekkard1v]

1 minute ago, lup3s said:

 

 

WG rushed to remove / fix this, as we can't have BBs being vulnerable to anything. 

source by any chance?

i havent faced any conquerors lately,mainly because im lvling a dd line and im pretty low lvl.
but dang , at the time when this was happening (and i was playing tier x only), did they get beatings.
i almost felt sorry for them

[Quetak]

Republic doesnt need armor, it has GUNS

[Affeks]

14 hours ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

Easy fix for the branch: make an alternate T10 called Alsace (1950) or something.
It's just an identical Alsace, but replacing some 37mm AA with 57mm AA, making the guns have 28s base reload with a bit more accuracy, 10k more HP, and tada ! T10 material. 

 

Bonus points for it still being more historical and logical than the ingame Lyon.

I just wanted a 2A1 tier 10 with option of 3x3 431mm or 3x4 406mm....

 

instead we got an existential crisis of a ship....

[lup3s]

3 hours ago, Rokko1v said:

source by any chance?

i havent faced any conquerors lately,mainly because im lvling a dd line and im pretty low lvl.
but dang , at the time when this was happening (and i was playing tier x only), did they get beatings.
i almost felt sorry for them

 

Iirc it was in one of the patch notes.

I'll check later when I'm at home (at phone atm).

[cro_pwr]

4 hours ago, Rokko1v said:

source by any chance?

i havent faced any conquerors lately,mainly because im lvling a dd line and im pretty low lvl.
but dang , at the time when this was happening (and i was playing tier x only), did they get beatings.
i almost felt sorry for them

 

Sorry, but you are a bit late to the party :)
It was indeed "unintended bug" aka "boohoo, my ret4rdproof ship can now actually be citadeled, WG FIX THIS ASAP!!!!"

So WG heard the cries of the BB players (as they have been doing for past 2 years) and fixed that / reversed it in the next patch.
It was indeed in the patch notes, so if you are interested in it, go check it out.